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2021-09-11 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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That anyone would play the "20 year Anniversary" card for a murderous terrorist attack is flat-out insanity standing alone.

But then again, we live in an insane nation, and indeed an insane world.

Let us remember on 9/11 what actually happened.  Our own FBI ignored reports from multiple people, including flight schools and simulator owners, that a bunch of apparent devout Muslims (they brought prayer mats with them and used them) were paying for flight and simulator time (both of which are very expensive) in cash.  That's odd enough by itself but the ominous part -- that none of them wanted to learn how to land an aircraft -- should have set off every alarm bell there was and resulted in an immediate investigation.  If it had a large percentage of those people would have been found to have expired visas and thus would have been taken into custody and summarily expelled from the United States.  9/11, in short, would not have happened had the FBI and INS done their job.

The FBI and other federal authorities sat around with their fingers in their asses and as a direct result 9/11 did occur.

The only debate on that point is whether it was due to negligence or intentional misconduct.

Not one person was fired, say much less prosecuted, for the willful and intentional failure to follow that up.

The State of Florida issued driver licenses to a huge percentage of these nutjobs despite them not being citizens or green card holders.  Guess who was the Governor of Florida at the time?  Just the last name will do.  That's not the same family that had a dude in the left seat in Washington DC on 9/11, was it?

There was not one prohibited item brought onto an aircraft on 9/11.  Not one.  Boxcutters were permitted; due to the short length of the blade they were considered tools and not weapons.  I know because I used to travel pre-9/11 to do a lot of tech work and had one in my carry-on toolkit.  Nobody ever batted an eyelash at it, nor at the other tools in said bag.  I never checked that bag because despite being rather expensive to replace everything if the airline lost it, and they have a habit of doing that sort of thing, I couldn't do my job.  So on the plane with me it went, along with a small suitcase that had my clothing and such in it.

Today the TSA forbids you to bring a sealed can full of soda through their "checkpoint."  Yet they routinely miss loaded firearms and even fake bombs when challenged by "routine testing."  Who knows how many real loaded firearms are not caught; of course if not caught, well...... But again, not one prohibited item -- not one gun or bomb -- was brought on a plane back on 9/11/01.

Why did the TSA get set up and why does it persist?  Not to interdict the threat that happened on 9/11, since again there was no security breach at any of the airports.  No, that was a purely political and civil lawsuit rescue action by Congress.  Rather than let the civil courts sort out whether the airlines had adequate security Congress exempted them from that review and sexually assaulted you for the next 20 years -- and it's still going on every time you get felt up in the terminal.

You, for your part, have done nothing to put a stop to it.

One air traffic controller during the 9/11 event made a command decision that could have easily cost him his job -- he initiated a ground-stop that was spread and, ultimately, was held for the next several days.  He likely saved thousands of lives; there is plenty of reason to believe (which I won't go into in detail) there were more planes full of hijackers that were stuck on the ground as a result of both that and bad weather.  The bad weather nobody can control but the ground stop prevented any of those other aircraft from taking off.  One smart man and one smart decision.

One group of passengers detected what was going on and said "Nope, we're not going to let you do it."  They died.  But they were going to die anyway, so rather than passively sit in their seats they spent their lives saving others.  They turned passive, American "follow instructions" into deliberate, violent action and a direct "**** you" to said orders and by doing so spent their lives in valor and chivalry protecting others.  They were heroes, every one of them.

Then, while there was no civilian air traffic allowed, Bush gave clearance for a whole bunch of Saudi citizens to leave this nation via private aircraft.  They did, and were never seen again.  Were they also terrorists and did Bush -- our President -- intentionally let them go?  We don't know and we'll never find out, will we?  But it is a fact that what was called a "stash house" in Sarasota was hastily abandoned and a decent number of Saudis did leave on said private airplanes.

Essentially every element of government, save that one ATC dude, has in fact been a zero.

In the years that followed we got even more stupidity.  The PREP Act was signed by..... Bush.  In the shadow of fear of anthrax and ricin attacks post-9/11 the decision was taken to shield health care providers during a "public health emergency" if and only if they followed whatever the official government line was.  This destroyed both the checks and balances along with incentives to actually use evidence-based medicine when faced with new and unknown threats.  Covid-19, an unknown threat at the beginning which we had to learn how to handle from a near-zero knowledge base, resulted in the medical system slaughtering tens of thousands of people in nursing homes by intentionally forcing infected seniors into said places -- using this law as a shield.  Not one governor has faced a single prosecution for that act, and not one hospital or doctor's office as been prosecuted for deliberately refusing to provide any early care to a single person infected with Covid-19.  Would Covid-19 have evolved differently absent the PREP Act?  Almost-certainly.  To what degree?  We do not know, since we can't do it over.  But this much is certain: If forced to confront the very real probability of negligence and malpractice lawsuits would a doctor refuse to let you use a safe, approved medication if infected?  How about the local hospital?  You do the math on that and how many of the 500,000+ dead Americans would still be alive.

Perhaps you can point to one bit of insanity post-9/11 that has been withdrawn?  I'd love to see your alleged list.  TSA?  Nope.  PREP Act?  Nope.  Patriot Act?  Nope.

Immunity from prosecution and suit always leads to people doing bad, even evil things as they are shielded from the just consequences of their actions, other than the general public deciding to take heads on their own initiative, which, I remind you, is a rather Taliban-style means of dispensing "justice."  So far we've not seen that happen in the US.

So far.

Let's ask another question 20 years on: Where are all the terrorists we were told existed?

Oh sure, there have been a few nutjobs.  A couple out in California, a couple of dudes at military basis and similar.  But where is the organized, dedicated set of terrorists that we were all told not only existed but were going to kill us all if we did not take all these crazy-faced actions post 9/11?  Are you really going to tell me that if such people really existed in size that they could not come up with fertilizer and diesel, plus a truck?  It's not like that is a novel idea, since one man did so on his own a while back.  Or even worse -- steal some enriched nuclear material from somewhere, do the machining and calculating, get some pipe and make a crude nuclear device, put it on a plane or boat and, well..... yeah.  Oh sure, it wouldn't be a very efficient bomb and the people who made it would probably die in the process of making it, say much less setting it off, but it would go boom.  With the millions of illegal invaders who we let cross into this nation while catching fewer than one in ten who try do you really think if this vast number of people who were willing to kill themselves in order to murder us in size that something like that wouldn't have happened by now and turned a decent chunk of DC, NYC, Atlanta or Chicago into a smoking hole 20 years on?

Because it hasn't happened, has it?

So exactly where, may I ask, are all these murderous terrorists?

Maybe the lesson of 9/11 isn't really about terrorism per-se -- that is, foreign or domestic actors unconnected with the government or other civil process who, in concert, wish to instill abject fear in the public for political ends.

Maybe the lesson is that a large part of the time governments are either the terrorists or their direct enablers and promoters, either funding them, looking the other way or excusing them after the fact.  And further, by doing so, they deliberately harm or even kill civilians -- including their own civilians.

Nothing like that has happened over the last 18 months, has it?

And maybe -- just maybe -- that includes our government.

It's not like Biden didn't issue exactly that sort of threat a couple of days ago, right?

Something to think about.

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War on Terror? This nation was founded on terrorism. The question is morality: have innocents been targeted? Partisan action is understandable, attacks on bystanders is not.

Problem is, it seems as if bystanders are the ONLY ones who ever get hurt.

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20 years ago the War on Terrorism began. It was really the War OF Terrorism, of tyrannical government against a free people. Fear is a weapon and we have been played like a fiddle. It ushered in a new era of mass psychosis.

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Karl Denninger wrote..
So exactly where, may I ask, are all these murderous terrorists?


The long missile shaped fuselages used in the 911 attacks of yesterday are now the long shaped missile syringes of today Mass Murdering innocent citizens in this GENOCIDE, while masquerading under the hoax of a pandemic.

These NAZIs control the Criminal Medical-Industrial Complex, All levels of ALL Governments, All Levels of ALL Mass / Social Media. These are the TERRORISTS of the Twenty-First Century.

Where are the terrorists, you ask?

They are in the three organizations listed above.

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Morning all. Yes. President potato did in fact declare war on us. But like you say Karl, we are now truly free since weve been declared dead. Im totally understanding that. Thank you for all you do.

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More and more, it seems like that over the past few decades, a very clever and evil master plan has coming together quite nicely for "our" rulers...

Not so much so for "us" though!

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It seems government is something that maims. The people who operate it? Who knows. Is it intentional? Are they blackmailed or brainwashed?

A never ending line of questions. Thats what the world seems like to me now. How would you ever find the core of truth? Who would you trust with its reported unveiling?

There is a whole faction of people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
Others believe covid to be a hoax.
Who has it right?

This level of uncertainty and confusion seems to be the point in many ways. To divide you, not just from others, but also yourself.

I was digging in the ground the other day and noticed a centipede. It was crawling along seemingly oblivious to all the various human concerns. I found myself thinking that humans had been augmented in that way. To be full of uncertainty and confusion. More thinking, less doing.

It sure does seem like 9/11 and now covid have accelerated this confusion and uncertainty. Makes me wonder what we are becoming.

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I sorely miss the ease of travel before 9/11 happened. I hate traveling now. I havent been on a plane since 2018 and dont miss it.
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Yep @Mr_clueless -- I used to do the "run for the plane" thing, paper tickets that could be franked meant that if there was another flight, even on another carrier, between those destinations you were never truly stranded, and it was fast, easy, somewhat-comfortable and safe.

Now it's none of the above. The airlines can suck my dick.

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Very interesting way to view the attack. The 20 year war on terror and the loss of American civil liberties was all due to a lazy FBI.

Just think about all the people who suffered in Iraq and Syria.
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The thing that somehow really pisses me off was the voice recording of the announcement to "return to your office and seat" in the twin towers. It was like they were trying to kill more people on purpose.

That day I learned that if someone tells you in a emergency to do something. Do the exact opposite. In a mass shooting? Run away don't hide and cower. Someone has a knife or gun at you point blank range? Fight like hell, don't negotiate or beg.

Who pulled those alarms to tell people to go back? They should say who did it. I bet they got out alive.

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Oh BTW The mastermind behind 9/11? Still waiting for court:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/khalid-sheikh....
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Karl wrote..
If it had a large percentage of those people would have been found to have expired visas and thus would have been taken into custody and summarily expelled from the United States. 9/11, in short, would not have happened had the FBI and INS done their job.

The FBI and other federal authorities sat around with their fingers in their asses and as a direct result 9/11 did occur.

The only debate on that point is whether it was due to negligence or intentional misconduct.

Not one person was fired, say much less prosecuted, for the willful and intentional failure to follow that up.

until we fix this problem nothing will change. In any profession or occupation it is human nature for many to avoid consequences. Eventually, people gravitate towards equal or even much better pay for less consequences. Those who cannot do such in the rest of society build their own resentments and find ways to lower their own accountability until it ultimately gets to the level of the family. At this point no one cares about anything anymore to any extent sufficient for them to wish to fight. This is a summation of a communist technique for breaking a society.

Karl wrote..
With the millions of illegal invaders who we let cross into this nation while catching fewer than one in ten who try do you really think if this vast number of people who were willing to kill themselves in order to murder us in size that something like that wouldn't have happened by now and turned a decent chunk of DC, NYC, Atlanta or Chicago into a smoking hole 20 years on?

Because it hasn't happened, has it?

So exactly where, may I ask, are all these murderous terrorists?

and the authorities play a circular logic game. They claim that the reasons that this has not happened and will not are the actions of their various agencies and personnel doing things that we are not allowed to audit or verify. We cannot audit or verify as this would hamper their missions. If they stop we get a severe event. And round and round it goes.

Oh yea, if something happens even due to their screw-ups, they can further justify the necessity of their efforts.

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The thing that somehow really pisses me off was the voice recording of the announcement to "return to your office and seat" in the twin towers. It was like they were trying to kill more people on purpose.


That was in the south tower, right after the first plane hit the north tower. To be charitable, whoever made this announcement assumed it was a "one off" accident rather than a terrorist event.

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I still believe 99% of bad things happen due to laziness and incompetence rather than active malice. It is true that Bush 43 cleared that private plane carrying Saudis to leave the U.S. Again being charitable, he may have done this because he feared violence against people of Middle-eastern ancestry and wanted to help his family's oil buddy families to get out of the U.S. This is the only way I read this without believing in any of the "Truther" theories about 9/11 being an inside job.

The biggest problem I have with 9/11 being an inside job is that, despite my libertarian hatred of government in general, I've never considered our officials to be craven and evil enough to sacrifice the lives of thousands of civilians in such a horrible event (which is far worse than the fictional "Towering Inferno" scenario of 1974) for whatever objective they had in mind.

The only plausible objective is found in the writings of the "Project For the New American Century" think-tank of the late 90's. I remember reading an article published by these guys while at a newsstand in Roppongi waiting for the best time to start club hopping that evening. I thought about these guys when 9/11 happened.

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Clinton / Lewinsky proved a politician caught compromised both morally and legally could get away with it if the media backed him.

9/11 proved government officials could flagrantly fail in their duty and not only get away with it but they could be honored if the media supported the narrative.

Those lessons have brought us to today where the media narrative defines truth & fiction. Reality is treated as the anomaly and covered up and ignored. What is broadcast is the narrative no matter how fraudulent it is

Economic, emotional and physical reality cannot be escaped. Prepare yourselves accordingly.

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"freedom" I'll hardly miss - Flying. I think the last time I flew and it was a decent experience was more than 25 years ago.

I think I came up with one thing that isn't a constant drone any more at least. "If you see something, say something".

Either now we are not hearing that because they've got it covered with surveillance everywhere, or they don't want anyone speaking out about everything we all can see that is going terribly wrong ("hey I see criminals sneaking across the border, some have drugs, others guns, etc")

I had this same discussion with a few friends the other day. Name something positive the federal gov't is doing very well right now....something important, and big. Things that include spending money on something, with the short term outcome good, don't count if it doesn't solve a long term problem.

We really couldn't come up with anything.

Anyone out there have suggestions?

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Being a (legal) foreigner, or an alien as the US government like to say :-), I faced some "you don't know because you are not American" arguments.

1) I almost got beaten in a conversation around the TSA getting more an more invasive, that the American way alternative was an "implied draft". If faced with a Hijacking situation, you are automatically considered drafted and you have to fight. Doing otherwise would be considered cowardice before the enemy. Flight 93 showed that this was the most effective way.

2) Still remember a discussion (that got a little bit heated) about the upcoming Irak invasion that was going to end in 7 days.....the other side was the son of a rather high officer in the Navy, not the top brass, but someone that went to the Naval Academy in Annapolis...where they are supposed to learn more than just fight and obey.

3) I remember the crazy with the DC sniper and how people in East Tennessee were stuck to the TV (stray bullets are dangerous). My thought was. It only takes 10 trained military snipers shooting moms at church exit randomly across the land to make this country go bananas.


There might have been nefarious intent on the top politicians on 911. Might be. But for the most part, it was a fatal mixture of hubris and fear. And mostly fear.

From a military standpoint, it was one of the most successful operations in the history. Something that costed about 1/4 of a Tomahawk, took 20 own casualties, and made the enemy, an empire and a world example, destroy itself. The enemy not being just America, but the American way of living and being governed.

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Yep on #3. I learned much from that, including how few people really mean it when it comes to BEING terrorists, and exactly how LITTLE force (and how few dedicated people) would be required to completely **** this nation and its government up the ass, sending both into apoplexy. Dorner was another example.

That it hasn't happened tells me everything I need to know about these "dedicated people who want us all dead, and are willing to die to make it happen."

Pull my finger, DHS.

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Abelardlindsey wrote..
The biggest problem I have with 9/11 being an inside job is that, despite my libertarian hatred of government in general, I've never considered our officials to be craven and evil enough to sacrifice the lives of thousands of civilians in such a horrible event (which is far worse than the fictional "Towering Inferno" scenario of 1974) for whatever objective they had in mind.

That's what I refer to as "decency bias". Most people aren't psychopaths so they can't comprehend how a psychopath thinks, let alone what occurs when they've let an entire swath of them conquer a Republic.

Now, I'm not arguing one way or the other about whether or not 9/11 was an "inside job". But if you wanna know why this country is doomed, it's the decency bias. It facilitates weak thinking and complacency. And democracy has no business in a country like that.
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From Instapundit:

WERE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER:

● Shot: White House: Bidens Vaccine Mandates Are for You, Not the Hundreds of Thousands of Illegals Pouring Over the Border.

PJ Media.com, yesterday.

● Chaser: Postal Service Takes Wait-and-See Approach on COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates.

Government Executive, yesterday.

● Hangover: Members of Congress and Their Staff Are Exempt From Bidens Vaccine Mandate.

Newsweek, yesterday.
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Sancho wrote..
But for the most part, it was a fatal mixture of hubris and fear. And mostly fear.

Bingo.
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Yep Karl we just canceled our trip to Las Vegas. When we made the reservation everything was open and now it is closed again. **** them we are not going anywhere. The biggest threat to this nation is in the WH and CONgress.

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