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Eleua
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@Eleua Is it also true that the violation is the change in working conditions (possibly once imposed rather than just announced), even if rolled back? IE, it is like shoplifting where offering to return the item if caught doesn't void the violation of law?


Great question, and a common source if misinformation within the airline unions themselves.

Generally speaking, the courts will enforce RLA SEC 2-First, which is the carrier's operations will not be harmed by strikes, to the extent reasonable. This is a court-written carve-out of the NLGA, which was passed 6 years later by the Congress by a 95:5 margin.

What generally happens, is the union (and sometimes management) do a "press to test" action to see if the other side will run to court to get an injunction under 2-First. If they succeed (which management usually does), the courts tell the union that all is well, if they cease and desist immediately.

We call it the "one free punch" policy.

Management does it as well, and the unions normally use the injunctive process in the same way.

It depends on the type of dispute. If the dispute is over interpretation of existing contract terms, it is generally sent to binding arbitration per the RLA. If it is over what is a change to terms, it is subject to negotiations, and in theory, strike/lockout.

What hasn't been tested is the criminal aspects in 2-Tenth. It seems to be a Rubicon the union does not want to cross.

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@TG, IM Doc has argued we are closely following the pattern seen in the US last year. While some areas the cases are dropping, he predicts other regions are just starting to get their increases.
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Yep @Maddmaxx.

And what's worse is if the magnitude tracks then the winter is going to be an unbelievable ****show made up of almost-entirely vaxxed people.

Why that? Everyone else will have had it by then, statistically-speaking.

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Vaccines are worthless after 6 months.

...just in time for cold and flu season.

Refer to Israel's data and turn the dial to 11.




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Just read a story on CIA-News Network (also known as Clown News Network, Commie News Network), and see they are talking about 75 days to get the vax.

I love this quote in the 12th paragraph, "At the same time, Biden's overall approval has slipped into negative territory amid a chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan and the Delta variant's drag on the economic recovery"

Sure. Biden's approval goes down. Get Vaxxed!

F that ****.

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It sounds like they plan to (somehow) force mandates upon all private businesses.

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1....

Amazing that Russians enjoy considerably more rights than Americans. Still think this isn't part of a global operation?
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@Billhrny It is a bit of a gray area what they can and cannot ask you as part of the exception. Those questions are designed to intimidate you and discourage you. They are fishing for ways to trip you up. I wouldn't answer those questions directly because they aren't really germane to your objection. I would just submit a personalized letter that because the vaccines are linked to abortion you cannot take them due to your faith based beliefs. This isn't about vaccines in general. Remember, they are requiring you to take one specific type of vaccine and those have ties to abortion.
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@Maddmaxx - They can't get there from here. DOL cannot issue that sort of a regulation by executive fiat.

They would need an enabling LAW to be passed, much as they have for the various wage and hour rules, anti-discrimination provisions and similar. To issue a CFR on it they need enabling law, which is absent.

If they try it without that they will draw an immediate injunction and you won't have have to do it -- there are plenty of labor unions that will go into court immediately and it will get blocked as there is simply no statutory authority for them to do any such thing.

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They're gonna try to force mandates on *private* businesses? Oh, please do it...let's get this party started.

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OK, you have got me curious. What are the "tripwires"?
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@TG, I wouldn't put anything past them in this insane environment. Funny how many were forecasting they would try this **** back in April-May of 2020 and people called them alarmists and conspiracy theorists. I am not 100% convinced of the globalist plot theory, but Brandon Smith at Alt-market has been saying these things would happen for some time now.

Maybe the bigger plot is to force a secessionist movement and possible civil war.
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@Traelin0

Youre right, but there will be people becoming more and more interested. The idea of get out of the cities is very real and necessary for what is coming. There will be many late adapters but they will be the ones that need your help the most. It might be that your destiny has yet to completely show itself.

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Well that would be flat-out stupid with the supply chain issues they cannot resolve. The blue hives would be feral inside of a week - including DC.

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Ned - this would make sense in a society that still had the rule of law on their side. actually walking out the door is often the ONLY way they will recognize you are serious.

when critical people walk out the door, does the tune change?

some places have changed their tune to make exceptions, but Biden & friends sound like they're going to try to force companies to comply

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Note: These people are insane but not stupid. They know what happens if ANY material percentage of the nation tells them to **** off. Ignore the social-media screamers; they mean nothing.

So why do this? Simple: They want to get slapped down and know they will.

That way its "not them."

That's how they think, which then forms the argument for something like "pack the USSC." But in the meantime the injunction stands.

Stop with the crazy...

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@Boughtthefarm

Thanks for the King County charts. The text on the vaccination outcomes page says they are "describing outcomes among vaccinated and unvaccinated people."

But the statistics actually show the difference between those who are not "fully vaccinated" and those who are. More weasel words.

I'm sick of seeing people who have had a jab characterised as "unvaccinated". Makes me wonder if they're hiding vaccine injuries in the "unvaccinated" illness/death stats.
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@Heartlander
I think one trip wire could be making receipt of federal funds contingent upon vaxx status. If you get Social Security, Medicare, SS disability, and so forth, then no funds for you without the vaxx.

I could see vaxx passports for entering any federal building or crossing the border contingent on vaxx status or a negative test say within 48 hours.

The expected announcement of a vaxx mandate for all federal contractors with no testing exception might be a trip wire.

I view it as "cross this line" and set off a massive blowback. One step too far and there will be immediate fallout. We will know in another hour and a half or so. Ka Boom!
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The Federal mandate only has teeth in Federal buildings, and even then it would face judicial review if enforced. But to dictate ALL people doing business with the Feds get jabbed is smoke. Oh, Biden will say it but that ship is not going to sail.

We are in a precarious spot where Biden's handlers are happy to use Biden's jackassery to see how far they can push to expand Federal control, but knowing that at the end of the day they can blame and dump Biden.

Welcome to a nation without laws run by delusional, power hungry thieves. We are living "The Departed" Good luck figuring out who the good guys are, if there are any good guys.


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The dummy in the White House is expected to ask the Department of Labor to issue a new rule requiring vaccine mandates for private employers with more than 100 workers, or regular testing.

Where in the Constitution does it give the Federal Gov't the authority to do this?

I think they really want to collapse the economy or want a civil war. Force people to not be able to provide for their families and violence will start which may be the point of all this.
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DOL cannot do it; there is no legal framework for it. I'm VERY familiar with the frameworks under which they issue regulations.

It requires an act of Congress, just as did wage and hour (which DOL regulates.)

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Note: This is EXACTLY what he did with the CDC and evictions. And it will get struck the EXACT SAME WAY.

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We all have to do what we have to do, but for those seeking exemptions . . . by seeking such an exemption you are giving credence to the need for all this bull****. By asking their permission you are giving them power of the catbird's seat - both now and on down the road if they gift you with your exemption.

I am fortunate (so far) not have been put in this position, but if I am I will NOT be seeking an exemption. I will tell them no I am not getting the shot and no I am not quitting. I will explain why if they want to know, and then they will make their decision. That will be that.

Yes, in the end the result (being fired for not asking for, or for not receiving, the exemption) is the same. But I'll be damned and go to hell if I will allow them the mental satisfaction of thinking they have any power over me in this regard.

I consider myself to be a self-employed person who happens to have only one client. If my current client fires me, well, then I'll go find another client that I can work with.
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Edit: - replacing for context as Karl answers in next post:

And the Eviction Moratorium, that was legal?

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It WAS legal until the CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY expired. Which did. At which point the USSC told the CDC to go **** off.

This will go the same way.

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The pod people mean to kill you.

Often it seems, they are wearing scrubs and white lab coats with colorful lanyards, but mean to kill you nonetheless.

Does everyone know how to strangle someone with a lanyard?

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