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Tickerguy
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@Wifi -- I hope that cock-gobbler DID get the actual shot and it horse****ed his immunity.

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Clay3482
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Microbesrus

You are thinking there is a painless way out of this. There is not. If it would have been stopped 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago maybe, but it wasnt.

Most adults on this planet right now will be directly affected by this war. They will die, or be financially ruined, or have a useless body. Even the ones who do not take the shot and stand up for freedom will suffer from supply chain issues, such as malnourishment, access to medicine, no jobs, safety from being murdered, raped, etc etc

There is no easy way out. You have to choose a side and stand. One way or the other we are all going to go through a **** storm of epic proportions not seen on this planet since the Dark Ages.

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Nope. It still creeped into my mind and I had to consciously beat it back.


I had severe asthma and allergies as a child and young adult. I am used to not being able to breath easily and, therefor, did not get freaked out when I caught the 'Rona last year. Sure, it sucked for three weeks. But I never even considered going to see a doctor and didn't even try to get the HCQ or Ivermectin through the FLCCC or some other group.

I did drink lots of green tea, however. I do not have a nebulizer because I effectively cured myself of asthma by a technique based on a theory (chronic Mercury poisoning) considered controversial by most people.

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Rporth, I should have been clear. He will not quick. He will make them fire him.

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It will be interesting to see if the mandate makes folks decide to get vexxed or go on strike/quit. By now, anyone that wanted the jab probably has them. I would bet that a lot of people have been silently waiting in the shadows to see if mandates would actually happen, or if the upper echelon was just blowing smoke up their butts. There have been several entities backtracking after pushback (USPS for one). Who knows, this may actually be the tipping point. I believe that this may be the line in the sand for many.

If all medical facilities are going to require employees and patients to get the jab before treatment, they not only will lose a number of employees, but also a substantial number of customers/patients. I guess at least, at that point, they will be able to handle the amount of business with their reduced staff. And things will really get dicey when the vexxed problems begin showing up, which as Karl has indicated, will be this fall in the usual cold and flu season. Yes, better plan on being your own doctor.

Making a double batch of popcorn...

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Wayiwalk
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Gosh, where to start?

I will be excluded from doing work at some point. I'm waiting for the 6 prong plan to provide dates.

I'm ready to call it a day. Not sure how long my employer will wait to can me.

My kids are in school right now. I stopped downstairs and shared the news of the edict with my wife, now that it is getting real, "you know what it means for me. You can chose to do whatever you want, but this doesn't change things at all for me".

Difficult times are here. But saying "no" and struggling is better than saying "yes" and being dead.

It does bother me how there is a wide movement to eliminate treatment options. Bother is an understatement.

It really pisses me off how this administration is going to adversely impact the stability I've provided in my kids lives to date. That I'll have to forget much of the specialized knowledge I've gained over the decades as I convert the remaining grey matter in my head to do new productive things (and it ain't easy to do that at my age).

I have not been looking at this as the Biden administration so much as the "Committee of Bolshevists under the Crest of Biden" administration. They run things like a committee of high school kids planning the prom. Lots of grandiose ideas that will waste time, money and never come to be.

Think of how screwed up the departure from Afghanistan went. Then I project the impact of the 15% of hard workers, knowledgeable people, who will give up their jobs all up over this. Excluding healthcare, which has already been in a state of collapse, I don't think things will collapse in these other sectors due to the loss of this 15%, honestly, there are plenty of capable people, but heck, you never know on a loss of knowledge basis what might come of this. I guess I'm on the fence there, things will certainly move slower. I do believe that the dynamics within the organizations providing services to the gov't will be disrupted, and that will cause more problems than anything else.

Extend that to gov't projects where they are looking to spend billions/trillions. I have images in my mind of projects like the border wall on our south.....unfinished and completely unable to do what it is meant to do. Now expand that image to more than half of the projects attempted under this administration in the years to come. Total waste of resources.

I think that will be the outcome of this edict.

A strike? Well, we can only hope it will do something, but it won't get the publicity via media.

Surprisingly, you still can pull the wool over the eyes of most of the people even in this day and age of internet, cameras everywhere, shared information.

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Rporth
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A little story on my visit with the Nurse Practitioner for my gut issues (ulcerative colitis/crohns).... 6 month checkup, yes, i am unfortunately on certain meds I don't want to be on - yet for several years now, things going good - energy, able to work hard around the property, golf, exercise etc... In a good place.

Because of being immuno compromised from the meds, have been reading the Ticker and numerous other places concerning health etc. Been on zinc, D, C, Quercetin, and a few others since the "two weeks to flatten the curve" - actually just before. Been on them since (recently added Vitamin- I)....

Last Halloween was diagnosed with covid - yes PCR test, yet replete with lost of taste/smell, exhausted for a week and a half, other things that convinced me I had it. Wife tested positive also - and since then has given blood and received the antibody test and was found positive. She deals with asthma and has budesonide anyway - so her covid was so mild it was an irritant.

Just last Tuesday went for my 6 month checkup - go over what I'm on (I left out Vitamin-I) etc. Nurse Practitioner went right to the "have you had your covid shot?" - as my immune system is compromised - I clearly say no, that I had covid and antibodies are a thing - along with MemoryT cells and B cells and the like.

I swear a good 2/3 of the appointment was discussing the shot and that I should get it. When I stated I'm an analyst and know how to look at data - I pulled down VAERS data and in my analysis found that 6% of the reactions and deaths are folks allergic to Penicillin as I am - It's right there on the chart! I said the fact I had covid, and that Penicillin allergy is bad for the jab I won't be taking it. It simply makes no sense.

I stated the issue with vaxxed in Israel and other places, was quickly countered that here (North Dakota) they are not seeing that - it is the unvaxxed in the hospital. To whit I stated "better get ready, the vaxxed are coming..."

Discussion was then dropped, a few minutes on my recent blood draw; except get this "your vitamin D level is a little high - maybe get that down a little"...

How bad is it if your Vitamin D is high? I don't know - need to look that up.

I live in a PAINFULLY rural area in ND - have to travel an hour to get to the gut doc... Possibly seeing about finding another gut doc, yet that's a 2.5 hour trip one way....

Yet i found it interesting most of the time was spent talking on the jabs....

wow.
Quantum
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I would guess the mandate will have about a 60-day window, just a guess. This is going to be interesting because contractors and agencies were working on implementing the July order (and, I think, in some cases testing contracts had been set up to cover the required testing).

The only EEOC justification for vaccination is workplace safety and so can only properly be applied to staff or contractors on-site. However, employers in general have been a bit overly broad (note the Rutgers student doing distance learning who got shut out this semester). Courts will presumably rein that in, but in the meantime, the mandates bite.

A lot of the people who'll be in the unvaxxed group will probably walk (and be among the top performers), and getting them back won't necessarily be possible--the same thing that's been happening in health care.

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Eleua
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Regarding the United Airlines employee mandate...

The applicable labor law that governs the airline industry is the RAILWAY LABOR ACT. 45 USC 151-160

Here are some snippets from that law.

RLA SEC 2-SEVENTH wrote..
Seventh. Change in pay, rules, or working conditions contrary to agreement or to section 156 forbidden

No carrier, its officers, or agents shall change the rates of pay, rules, or working conditions of its employees, as a class, as embodied in agreements except in the manner prescribed in such agreements or in section 156 of this title.


Please note that it is ONLY the management/officers of the airline that can be in violation of this. Labor cannot violate this section, by definition. Also, remember the subsection - SEVENTH.

(FYI - "Section 156" is the means of changing the contract by formal negotiations, and it is a ****ing glacial process. We should be so lucky that it proceeds at the glacial speed, as that would be an improvement.)

Now, it get's interesting.

RLA SEC 2-TENTH wrote..
Tenth. Violations; prosecution and penalties

The willful failure or refusal of any carrier, its officers or agents, to comply with the terms of the third, fourth, fifth, seventh, or eighth paragraph of this section shall be a misdemeanor, and upon conviction thereof the carrier, officer, or agent offending shall be subject to a fine of not less than $1,000, nor more than $20,000, or imprisonment for not more than six months, or both fine and imprisonment, for each offense, and each day during which such carrier, officer, or agent shall willfully fail or refuse to comply with the terms of the said paragraphs of this section shall constitute a separate offense. It shall be the duty of any United States attorney to whom any duly designated representative of a carriers employees may apply to institute in the proper court and to prosecute under the direction of the Attorney General of the United States, all necessary proceedings for the enforcement of the provisions of this section, and for the punishment of all violations thereof and the costs and expenses of such prosecution shall be paid out of the appropriation for the expenses of the courts of the United States: Provided, That nothing in this chapter shall be construed to require an individual employee to render labor or service without his consent, nor shall anything in this chapter be construed to make the quitting of his labor by an individual employee an illegal act; nor shall any court issue any process to compel the performance by an individual employee of such labor or service, without his consent.


KA-****ING-BOOM


To review:

Labor cannot commit an offense under this subsection.
Management commits an offense when they unilaterally impose working conditions outside of negotiations. (the historical reason for rail strikes in the 1890s-1920s)
This offense is a "shall prosecute" by the US Attorney.
This offense is up to 6 months in the US prison system for each offense.

EACH DAY CONSTITUTES A SEPARATE OFFENSE. (let that sink in.)

(What is 6 months multiplied by 35 days?)


If, (and I can't stress this enough)...IF the union honchos are worth more than a bucket of ****, they file a criminal complaint with the US Attorney's office. IF the US Attorney blows them off, then strike, as the RLA is no longer valid law in the eyes of the government. IF the US Attorney files criminal charges, Kirby will burn rubber over to the union HQ and beg for forgiveness.

This law has teeth, if the union wants to use it. Management sure does when enforcing RLA SEC 2-FIRST.

IF...if...if...the law still means anything. (insert smiley here)

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According to the link at vox, contractors on DOD installations either have to be vaxxed or weekly testing, right? Am I reading that correctly? If so, dh is ok. That has been unofficial policy for a month, but I dont think anyone has been tested. I dont think they have the capacity to test hundreds of thousands of extra people on a weekly basis.

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@Clay

I dont think I envision or hope for it to be painless, but I do think there is a way through other than just throwing up our hands and walking out. As I mentioned, all these smart people talking in the forum, surely one of them has the resources to repurpose these people. Hell, I would do damn near anything other than medicine at this point. And no, I dont need enough to finance a McMansion or Ferrari.

Ultimately we need this for other reasons as well. So regardless of whether there is a mass kill off or just dissolution of society due to civil war we have these things in place.

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Not only that, but what happens when millions of people cash out their 401Ks at the same time?
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@Eleua - Yep.

Never mind that by denying religious exemptions UA is ALSO breaking federal law, in that you cannot discriminate against people based on religious beliefs. That's black-letter and it's a private right of action too.

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Yup.

Now, I scratch my head and wonder. "Why would the airlines (in this case) commit trivially easy offenses that would land them in jail and be an open cash machine for thousands of lawsuits?" If I can see it, and you can see it, don't they see it? smiley

It's either mass psychosis, or they got a wink/nod from deep in the Administration, that they don't have to worry about this. I just can't get my head around that they ****ed up and didn't know. That doesn't make sense.

Who knows? perhaps they are just that stupid. GEN X and the late BOOMERS are pretty disappointing when it comes to courage and intellect.

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That kind of sums up the last month since the election, a giant amber alert for Trump's balls. - Davkj1
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I suspect that Biden will double down in his speech at 5 pm today. My guess is that a good number of folks will be livid as to what is planned/ what will be unveiled. The irony is that Biden's executive orders with respect to COVID mandates and regulations will probably be his undoing as well as the undoing of the Democratic party.

Everything Karl has written in this Ticker is logical and reasonable and consistent with common sense. But logic and reason CANNOT speak to crazy and insane. This isn't science - this is marketing and propaganda and narrative and politics and agenda.

I can take off my "tin foil hat" any time I would like to do so. Can Slo Joe, Fraudchi and friends remove the spiked protein from the epithelial cells lining the blood vessels of the human body? Or prevent ADE, OAS and VEI? Or stop auto immune diseases, cardiac, neurological and clotting disorders? Reality is a bitch! Welcome to Consequences City.

At some point, the "normies" will awaken. When they realize they are ****ed! and there is no going back to undo the vaxx ... Then there will be hell to pay. At that point I think we will be in the midst of economic collapse, WW3 and a mass depopulation event. A whole lot of people are going to understand that they have nothing left to lose. And people who have nothing left to lose, lose it.

Biden does not know where he is, what day it is and/or who is the president. He is lucky if he can read the words on the teleprompter. The people behind the curtain are the ones pulling the strings. Chaos and destruction works to their advantage. They don't care if you end up seriously ill or if you die from the vaxx. They don't care if you and your family are destitute, homeless, starving. These are the goals they want.

I believe this is set up as a "no matter what the powers that be do, they win." They are weakening and destroying the health care system by the vaxx mandates. If you are a health care worker who took the vaxx, you will boecome ill either now or later. That means you won't be working. If you refuse the vaxx and resign or are fired, you will not be working to staff the hospital either. That situation creates its own ripple effect which results in care not provided/ available due to staffing.

Many will die as a result. As I have said many times, this will not end well.

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Clay3482, I really hate to admit it, but I think you are right. In my former life I was a paramedic and got into some dicey stuff. My internal alarm was always ringing like a three alarm fire going into those situations. It kept me alive a few times. Now, my internal alarm is screaming like never before.
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The covidians are pointing to this king county page as illustrating proof of how the vaccinated are getting the coof at a much lesser rate than unvaxed. That Israel is a one off and proves nothing.

https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covi....
Its pretty interesting though if you look at about August 25th at a directional change. Then look at this vaccination date graph.

https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covi....

Vaccinations peaked about 6 months ago. It'll be interesting to see if the trend continues.


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I don't think -- at least not on the evidence to date -- you're going to get a mass-depopulation event. Let's define that: 10-15% or more of the people die.

Nope.

But -- double, or even triple the casualties from Covid-19 itself over the next year or two with wildly higher morbidity on top of it (e.g. autoimmune disorders, other diseases that typically only hit older people nailing the young, etc.)? Yes. There IS evidence for that already; the confidence band is too wide to put a probability on it simply because EVERYONE is hiding the sausage rather than putting the data out there, but the studies poking their head above water, and the data that IS coming in, while anecdotal at this point, strongly suggests that sort of outcome.

That's more than enough to blow people out of their insanity because by winter most people will know SOMEONE who went down the road and got ****ed up the ass by doing it. A decent percentage of those people will be people who had ZERO morbidity exposure to whatever ultimately gets them, whether they get very sick on a permanent basis or dead, and there'll be no hiding it. Meanwhile there will STILL be a big enough control group (infected, recovered and refusing or just plain refusing) that WON'T have those things happen to them, and in addition that group will still be large enough to prevent a Marek's style disaster.

That, at this point anyway, is what I expect. Of course the data can change my mind - but as it sits now, that's what it looks like from my chair.

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All of these people will know someone who was a friend or family member, FULLY VACCIANTED, who gets ****ed. At that point the administration is FINISHED. So are a LOT of employers. Both will be lucky if it's just a political and "out of business" problem -- it only takes 0.1% of a sample of 200 million to decide that this isn't going to be political, it's going to be PERSONAL, and the policy written by the 100 Heads Insurance Company will get cashiered.


I agree that the public will be incensed and looking to retaliate/punish those responsible should this happen. Only caveat though, this will be an EMOTIONAL response. We can't assume emotions will be in step with logic/facts. There is a very good chance that the responsibility for any carnage will be placed squarely in the lap of the unvexxed by the MSM and Gov. "If only the unjabbed would have taken their shot, Grandma Karen would still be here today"...This will get ugly one way or another.

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They'll try @Czyhorse, but it doesn't work when all the unvaccinated, including the infected and recovered, are the ones who AREN'T getting hosed.

After all, if I'm unvaccinated then I'm supposed to die if I get Covid-19. Well, I got Covid-19 and I'm not dead. Now what?

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I'm sure that Karl and the rest of us now know what it was like for the prophets in the Old Testament when their warnings went unheeded too.

Like in those Old Testament stories, one day, when history looks back, the warning signs will be so obvious that people will be dumbfounded how anyone could have believed otherwise.

God have mercy on us! But I'm afraid that He is out of mercy and He has been patient enough for the past few decades and we're about to be taught a lesson in the Old Testament style. For future generations, let us pray that it is only a 40 year wandering in the desert.
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God does not, by the manifest weight of the evidence, take mercy on someone who pulls their pants down in a horny donkey's paddock. He lets them get ****ed up the ass; they had it coming, and they will get it good and hard.

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First post here, I'm a paramedic and have a lot of nurse/health care worker friends, one of whom I visited with today.

She told me about how her teenage son had to go to Emerg. Short of breadth, chest pain, MOTTLING in his legs (I **** you not) two days after pfizer.

Of course I start asking all the questions. Did they do a d-dimer? Yes it was high. Troponin? Not sure I think so(wtf) CT/ultrasound? He had inflammation around his heart. How long are they keeping him? Oh they released him they said just monitor him. No treatment? No, nothing.

Mottling, chest pain, SOB. So this teenager has pericarditis and widespread clotting especially in his legs and probably lungs. The kicker is I asked her what the doc thought about this being caused by the vax and she said the doc dismissed or out of hand.
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@Eleua Is it also true that the violation is the change in working conditions (possibly once imposed rather than just announced), even if rolled back? IE, it is like shoplifting where offering to return the item if caught doesn't void the violation of law?
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Folks--I cannot say this enough, do not quit your job over a vaccine mandate. Make them fire you.

I have posted several times both my wife and I work for companies that mandate the vaccine. My wife is wavering thanks to her doctors scaring her but I am not. I have applied for an exemption and if they do not grant it, they will have to fire me. I will not quit. I will make them go thru the internal appeals process, the EEOC complaint, the formal reprimand, the unpaid suspension, and finally firing me. Maybe even a post firing lawsuit.

I'm not naive enough to think any of this will change things. However, it will make them go thru the pain to get rid of me. And it buys me time. Time is on our side. Data from Israel and the UK shows us what is coming. Just wait until the vaccinated go back to work and start catching it. Wait until the vaccinated are dropping like flies from ADE or other consequences of taking the shots. No not yield the advantage by quitting your job; make them fire you.
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