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Sharps
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@Pleroma "Tastes like road apples probably."

Meadow muffins here
Mjc1960
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Neil Cavuto just said 99.9% of people with COVID are unvaxxed.
Most have got his talking points from my mom.
Cwatson1982
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aaand Biden expected to announce labor department to compel mandatory vaccinations at any company with over 100 employees. Here we go..
Tickerguy
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Can't.

He can announce whatever he wants, but OSHA cannot do this and they will get nailed with an injunction.

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Orangecrush
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Thanks so much to Karl for operating this forum and to the many contributors here. I learn so much each day here and draw encouragement so that I can deal with the crazy that seems to surround and engulf us these days.
Chemman
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@ Jdough

Ready for a good laugh. I am a BS (Microbiology/Chemistry) and MS (Systems Engineering) holder and am adamantly anti this vax
Tritumi
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@Heartlander, re Japan: The ruling party, LDP aka Liberal Democrats are conservative corporatists. Local big pharm wants in on the deal here, same as anywhere else. Even within LDP factions there is no opposition to the jab campaign. They have their marching orders. Watched most of a outgoing PM Suga press conference last evening. No journo posed any question to him or the local version of Fauci that went contrary to the narrative.
Dingleberry
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@ Heartlander

Your experience with stress causing outbreaks is the key to good health. Too bad it is not taught in medicine.

I never took care of a shingles patient who did not get shingles due to severe stress. I only treated one skinny Type 2 diabetic in my entire career....and I asked him what he did to himself.....he said he went through a really bad divorce.

With the jab causing all manner of physiological disruptions all over the body (like severe or long-term stress does)....I can see it causing an explosion in outbreaks of shingles, herpes, etc. If anyone ever presented to me with weird symptoms and the cause was not found by various objective tests and such.....I always started with stress as the cause, and it usually was.
Redjack
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Sister called.
Niece got some strong steroids, lots of IV fluids, antihistamines (interested about that), and she is feeling a lot better.

Pneumonia is not clear yet, but they are letting her go home tonight.

Sounds like she is very weak. Sister is flying out tonight to take her home from the hospital (niece goes to school out of state).

Redjack
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My thought also TG.

But that was before, when we had a semblance of law.

Author I follow is saying full martial law by the end of September. That won't fly, but they may try. A lot of the goofy tin foil crap I used to listen to on overnights is sounding down right sane.
Jstr
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According to the latest Robert-Koch-Institut (RKI) Corona weekly report (every thursday, about Germany), in the ages over 60 over the last 3 weeks completed vaccinations account for

41.8% of symptomatic infections
19.8%/19.0% of hospitalizations/intensive care
27.2% of deaths.

With tendency growing upwards; the cumulative numbers since february 2021 are

3.8%
2.1%/2.0%
2.2%

Those were of course the first ages to be vaccinated; the effect seems to be negligable in young people (12 to 17), whereas ages 18 to 59 are rising as well:

18.0%
5.7%/4.2%
(but 0.0% deaths; 0 in absolute numbers)

against cumulated numbers, again since february

2.9%
1.0%/.7%
(and 1 death, .1%)


(Source: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Ne.... page 19)

Looks like @Tickerguy is right -- brace for autumn/winter...
Jstr
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Drat...

While the numbers are correct, please note that the denominator is not "all cases", but only "cases in that age range", which is not clear from my post.

Still, not good.
Maddmaxx
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Joe Rogan says he got the Mabs. Howd he qualify?
My2pups
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@Dingleberry - I had just returned home, following a 4 week vacation. Granted, I was with in-laws, but I do it every year, so not particularly stressful. I was also returning to Spain (where I live) and the Spanish were just starting their vacation season. Puzzling why I came down with a 1st outbreak. Coincidentally, I had just seen a friend who was about 7 days into her 1st outbreak but had not been diagnosed yet and she did not really have external lesions. mRNA trigger?

"I never took care of a shingles patient who did not get shingles due to severe stress. I only treated one skinny Type 2 diabetic in my entire career....and I asked him what he did to himself.....he said he went through a really bad divorce.

With the jab causing all manner of physiological disruptions all over the body (like severe or long-term stress does)....I can see it causing an explosion in outbreaks of shingles, herpes, etc. If anyone ever presented to me with weird symptoms and the cause was not found by various objective tests and such.....I always started with stress as the cause, and it usually was."
Constantbees
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With all the Biden crap, I hadn't noticed the latest report from Public Health England. Vaccinated deaths from the Delta variant have risen from 679 in the previous report to 1,091, a 60% increase in two weeks. Unvaccinated deaths have risen from 390 to 536 in the same period, a 37% increase.

There are still more hospitalisations of the unvaccinated, but many are just overnight and may be related to other illnesses since we have a big problem with infection control here in the UK.

Of course, there's many ways you can slice and dice this data, but this is not "a pandemic of the unvaccinated" by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm ignoring the data on partially-vaccinated, just for simplicity's sake. At least the UK government separates the partially-vaxxed, rather than lumping them in with the unvaccinated.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk....
Maddmaxx
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@Constantbees "Of course, there's many ways you can slice and dice this data, but this is not "a pandemic of the unvaccinated" by any stretch of the imagination."

No, not at all, and it's becoming less so as time goes on.
Mjc1960
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From the UK paper page 14, looks like
Case fatality rate for Alpha is 1.9%
CFR for Delta is .36

The running case fatality in two counties in South Carolina I have been following is 0.7%

The Surgeon General on FOX last night said Delta is worse than previous variants. It's hard to be informed and watch authorities lie day after day.

This is why normies think the informed are misinformed.
Tickerguy
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@Mjc1960 - This is not a surprise for a number of reasons:

1. The easy-to-kill are mostly all dead.

2. Delta is MISSING two codons that are believed to be responsible for most of the clotting-disorder mess that the original wild strain out of Wuhan caused. This is the expected natural mutational pattern, by the way.

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Pleroma
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@Mjc1960

Delta is worse if you define "worse" as

1. spreads more easily

3. infection not prevented by mRNA "vaccine" designed for original (extinct) Wuhan strain

and if you don't bother mentioning that Delta is probably much less likely to kill you.

So yeah...lies.
Tickerguy
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Yep.

Delta is missing two codons that are believed responsible for the nasty disseminated clotting that whacked all those people in Italy (and elsewhere) in the original Wild Wuhan strain.

Is that the ENTIRE answer on the difference? Unknown. But the data does appear to be bearing that out.

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Movedtonz
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@Constantbees

It is almost as if you plagiarized something I posted on FB a few days ago...

Quote:
I have been downloading the Public Health England data, they do a report every two weeks. For deaths in the 16/8 to 29/8 time period, there were a total of 1054 fully vaccinated deaths, and 536 unvaccinated deaths. They do not provide a great deal of age stratification... just <50 and >=50. Most of these deaths occur in the >=50 category, 1054 deaths fully vaccinated, 437 unvaccinated deaths.
Interestingly, there are more unvaccinated hospitalizations than fully vaccinated hospitalizations, 2580 vs 1628. I would rather track the deaths than hospitalization as it appears that the unvaccinated have a higher tendency to get admitted, and the vaccinated appear to have a higher tendency to die. Yes there are likely large confounding issues with this rather simplistic evaluation. Just as there are large confounding issues with the simplistic stuff shown previously.


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The fully vaccinated population for >=50 at mid August is approximately 20M, and the the total population is approximately 25M. This is ~80%, not 95%. (78.5% for the pedantic and detail oriented). The >=50 fully vaccinated deaths for the time period I mentioned was 71.6% of the deaths. Yes, 71.6% is lower than 78.5%, so there is some efficacy.
BTW, I set aside the partially vaccinated numbers, as they should not be included in either the fully vaccinated or unvaccinated cohorts IMO. Some have included these in either group, depending on what answer they wish to arrive at...
Source data:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/st....

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?https://www.....

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2Fpeopl....

PHE Technical Briefing documents found here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio....
Multiple documents and maths are required to get the interval data instead of the data from Feb 1st.

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Constantbees
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@Movedtonz

I must be mentally channeling you then! I don't have a FB account and avoid it like the plague. But I've seen similar breakdowns for previous reports and just updated with the most recent numbers.

Good luck in NZ! It's hard enough living in the UK with King Boris. Vaccine passports are being used here for travel into Europe. They're about to be implemented for access to nightclubs and large venues. We've had vaccine mandates for care home workers (nursing homes). The government is trying to implement one for NHS workers. I think they're having a hard time with that one. While doctors and nurses been threatened with firing for speaking out, a lot are pretty resistant to actually getting jabbed themselves.
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