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Cwatson1982
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@blanca

Sure, I have been on the vaccines will probably prevent herd immunity bandwagon since the first few publicized breakthrough cases. Nothing I have seen since has changed my mind at all. I'm pretty convinced that in the end they will result in more deaths than no vaccines at all would have.

Do the math though (without being able to accurately quantify of vs with, where it makes sense, gun shot with covid vs the things that can be caused by covid and result in death)

20% antibodies from previous infection according to the JAMA study, 652k (official) current deaths X 4 for ~80% herd immunity and you get within that ballpark over time, though likely many years. Might be more might be less, depending on how many at risk have already died and how many are left. 2.2m is within the realm of possibility based on that 20% number though.
Tickerguy
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No.

Most of the at-risk are already dead.

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Jstr
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German equivalent (somewhat) to St. Fauci ;-), highly respected ;-D virologist Dr. Christian Drosten caused quite a stir over here in the Fatherland when he recently declared in his regular podcast that "immunity from infection is more robust in the long run" ("diese Infektionsimmunitaet, die ist auf Dauer robuster") and that he "wishes to saddle his vaccine immunity with one, two, three general infections" ("wie ich jetzt gerne immun werden will, ist: Ich will eine Impfimmunitaet haben und darauf aufsattelnd will ich dann aber durchaus irgendwann meine erste allgemeine Infektion und die zweite und die dritte haben").

(Source: https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/coro....

Generally an interesting podcast by not a complete idiot, even though revered (and wildly misused/-represented) by the main stream media; or maybe yes, since he is advocating for boosters, because of course he is.
Cwatson1982
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@JW never said 2.2m did die in the USA. Even at 450k, with 20% having antibodies from previous infection per JAMA, over time to get to 80% population immunity you get to within that ballpark depending on who has already died and who is left that is vulnerable. That's just the math in so far as you can do it without having a crap ton more information than we currently do.
Cwatson1982
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@TG I'm not saying you are wrong; but how do you reach that conclusion? In so far as I am aware, it's not available.
Tickerguy
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NYC coroner's data on who it kills.

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Quantum
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@Msnlgrinder RE: threats from the wife: I'm sorry you're experiencing such turmoil. From my completely uninformed perspective, you can at least look at this as a sign that the relationship was doomed. If someone is that dogmatic and demanding about something their partner obviously feels would be harmful, there's no way for the relationship to work long-term.

Dissenter
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These ghouls are about to make their next move tomorrow as Bidet announces his 6 new steps to fight covid and save us all from the unvaxxed.

We are missing something wrt the expected death toll. Nothing on the field accounts for the crackdowns globally against the unvaxxed. These guys are up against a deadline of somekind and the only thing that fits the bill is people figuring out the /rvaxx is sideways.

What do we think of the graphene and other materials people are talking about??
Msnlgrinder
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@Quantum
Thanks. We're pretty much whistling past the grave yard relationship wise. It is what it is. I'm happy to co-exist for the time being.

What would be nice is some data before the argument about the kids getting jabbed comes up. I see nothing BUT downside. They're both under the age of 10 and lean as lean can be.
Tickerguy
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UK advisory committee said NO to under 12.

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Dissenter
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I believe zelenko said Israelis did same for under 12 as well, didnt he?
Deathshead
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@Beignet
https://infogalactic.com/info/SocialGala....

Google banned vox so he moved commenting to social galactic which is behind a modest paywall that has almost eliminated the sjw contingent.
Inspectrcalahan
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On the NAC I misspoke about amazon,, it was available at Walmart on line. Amazon had a bunch of similar sounding stuff , looks as if they intend to confuse people.
Obtw my wifes oncologist was asking about what we doing to stay safe from the coof. We explained the protocol and gave her some linx . I asked what changed her mind on the shots. Her eyes got wide ,she looked almost frightened . She said something is happening to peoples immune system, that we dont understand.
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No ****?

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Cwatson1982
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@TG

By my math, with the lower of the two IFR's from:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article.... these are not US based but are the most recent I can find with methodology.

Assuming for simplicity, the 20% JAMA number is spread evenly over the population (not likely) and subtracting deaths that already occurred from each age group along with 20% of each groups rough population:

65-74 left alive with no antibodies: 24,263,000
75-84 left alive with no antibodies: 11,193,000
85+: left alive with no antibodies: 6,520,000

A blended 3% IFR for the total remaining gets you 1.25m more dead, not accounting for anyone outside those age groups (100k of the current "deaths" are in the 50-64 age group, population ~60m)

The math is more complicated than just assuming the entire population gets infected obviously, there are a hell of a lot of factors involved that I don't have information for but over time to 80% population level antibodies 1.5-2.5m is not outside the realm of possibility as a worst case scenario. If you have information that makes that math impossible I would be happy to know of it (for my own education).
Itom72
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Incept: 2021-06-29

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For future reference, in addition to Swanson offering NAC, LifeExtension.com also sells it. The more sources we have, the better.
Erroldo
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Dont like the idea of taking the horse injection for IVM. I do have 250mlbottle as last resort. Also have the paste. My stash of IVM from Mexico and India ran out. I was able to submit a credit card order for 30 x 12mg tablets. Came out to over $200 or about $7 per pill. quite high but i did not mind given the alternative. If I get Covid I should be well supplied to hit ity hard on first posititive test or signs of covid. Had an infection lately in head and heavy vitC seems to be effective. Stocked up on NAC, QCTN, MELATONIN, ZN and D for heavy usage if infected. No mRNA here. I am in AZ so no mandate for my 2 seeds in school (as yet). Son in grad EE school and daughter in HS. I worry about them getting the jab more than me.
Thanks to Karl for keeping the ticker alive since pre 2008 until now. All the posters here and links posted adds to a wealth of knowledge in one spot thatg is hard to come by otherwise!
For those that dont plan top get the jab, please stock up on early treatment as well as prepare the body to be in top shape when the wuflu hits you. And hit it hard with early treatment. No skimping and allow the virus to multiply.
Blanca
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@ inspectrcalahan

Dr Cole, a pathologist from Idaho, is saying the vaccines are weakening the immune system and may be increasing cancers. He is very careful in his wording so I may be overstating his case.
Shado
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Dr Cole is the sane voice in my local region. But he has to be careful or cancelled. Good news was he just got voted onto health board by 1 vote.
Msnlgrinder
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Ordered 4 bottles of NAC off eBay earlier today. 14.2 cents per gram, one gram per pill. Already have the tracking number.
Tritumi
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Question re: 'flu shot vaccine.

It is that season and 'flu shot vax availability has started. Since this is, I assume, a real vaccine, that is a whole, if attenuated, virus, does it present any risk for the spikevaxed?

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Cheetah9
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Incept: 2021-02-15

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@Tritumi -- Does a bear **** in the woods?

Considering all the ****ery these last 19 months, I wouldn't put it past them to spike it with deathstab juice.
Mikeyinfl
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@Blanca

I read a post from Dr. Malone regarding virus reactivation maybe 2 weeks ago and can't find it now, but the gist was that dormant viruses like Herpes, Chicken Pox, CMV, and others were getting reactivated post jab. I's certain it got censored by dorsey, but if anyone here has any links to the info. Malone cited, that would be great for all to have.

Btw, Malone is usually prolific with good info most every days, but for some reason has been silent today. Is he on vacation or being censored? We'll see...
Winder
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United Airlines update. Told today via email that exemptions will be announced 2 weeks or less. If denied, you are fired 5 weeks from that date. If exemption approved, you will be put on unpaid leave starting October 2nd. So my guess is they will approve all the exemptions but you will be on unpaid leave until the pandemic improves. Effectively fired with no recourse for legal action. My blood is boiling.
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@Inspectrcalahan
That is some admission on the part of your wife's oncologist. I wonder what she is seeing that made her so afraid. It is too bad she didn't elaborate. I question if she is seeing additional risks that have not been mentioned by all of the folks now sounding the alarm.

@Msnlgrinder
A very good friend has your problem in reverse. Both she and her husband are unvaxxed and both have had COVID. Their respective work places are demanding the vaxx. They are each pursuing religious exemptions - not sure how that will work out. IF Denied - She will live in a trailer before she will take the vaxx. He will (likely) cave and get jabbed so as to not lose their home and everything they have worked for over the years. He is willing to roll the dice. I asked her what happens to the house and to their lifestyle if he dies (history of anaphylactic reactions) or is disabled from the vaxx. No Answer. I hope she increases his life insurance policy! She will not divorce him if he gets the vaxx, but she may end up alone and bereft.
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