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Rossaoz
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Is there a lower viral load associated with the vaccinated? My wife tested positive to the Coof (or some other coronavirus). She has a low grade fever and some body aches which started 3 days prior to her diagnosis. I have had no symptoms at all since she first became ill. A lower viral load transfer from the vaccinated may explain the reduced symptom profile. We are both unvaccinated and have taken the precautionary Vitamin D, Quercetin, Zinc as well as NAC. I will get tested tomorrow.
Asimov
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Rossaoz: Some data says as much as 250x higher in the vaccinated. The vaccine hides the symptoms.

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Jwm_in_sb
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No, pretty sure their viral load is at least equivalent if not higher than unvaxxed.
Tickergroupie
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@burningbhb...
I've added Walter Chesnut to the list of people whose writings keep me awake at nightsmiley
Conventional_wiz
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@ Tickerguy

Gotcha, so basically jab-induced OAS could be destroying the existing cross-resistance in the population.

And then VEI is still on the table too.

The two words for that are: holy crap.

Crimes against humanity
Donkey
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"@Troymt- I was exposed on the 29th of July. On the 11th I noticed the first symotoms. I checked my temp and it was 99. Thought it was a cold until hubby came home sick and we tested positive fot Covid. He got it from me. Thankfully he works outside operating heavy equpment and was not near anyone so he did not pass it on. That is one scenario timewise for you. BTW the person was double vaxxed and I direct faced her for 5-6 mins, and was at the premises for no more than 15 minutes tops. Thats all it took."

And this kind of "logic" right here is why women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Heartlander
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Here's a 16-minute video that needs to be shared far and wide:

https://rumble.com/vm3d7o-crisis-in-amer....

The video covers all the major points about why these vaxx mandates are insane, and it just might get through to anyone who's not completely delusional.

LISTEN TO THE NURSES.
Hanssachs
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@Bigbuzzle,

Thanks for the link to that article. I'm sure Karl will take it apart.

It's interesting in that the study compares results for vaxxed people against adverse effects in two groups: those in the first three weeks post-Vax, and those in the fourth through sixth weeks post vaxx. It finds no statistically significant difference between the groups.

Well. Maybe the vaxxes cause adverse effects in similar rates over those weeks. Is the second set really a control group?

The good news: they provide a large sample size across a number of ages. I would think you could look at a similarly composed group of people over a 3-week period in 2019 and have that serve as a control.

Thanks for the lead. I will check further.
Traelin0
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Dingleberry wrote..
Any health professional who recommends this jab for all after seeing all the evidence worldwide and the continual moving of the goal posts over the last 18 months (I prefer to call them "lies") needs to think of another career. These same idiots will blame the unjabbed for this mess once the jabbed get covid, and those numbers are going up.

Funny you mentioned that. My doctor is a concierge doctor who I would've thought wouldn't just accept the bull**** hook, line and sinker. It didn't matter what the issue was, he was going along with Fauci. Masks, jabs, everything. His excuse was always along the lines of "following best practice".

I hit a wall this last time. My wife finished her chemo rounds a couple of weeks ago. But the last two were put on hold because my daughter brought home Delta from camp. It was nothing for us except my wife. One child had a fever for a day and a cough for a week. I had a stomach ache for a day. We've all already had the coof last year, so likely Alpha.

My wife was just off a 2 unit transfusion and was already low. She kept getting worse, but I had an rx for IVM that I had miraculously filled out of the blue about a week before. No idea what possessed me to do it then.

In any event, she is being treated at one of the premier hospitals in the country. Karl could take a guess given he knows where I live. Well, her onc said that she had never had a patient with the coof, that she had to consult with her group, and that she should just stay low. Our concierge doctor said there's no treatment except to stay low, and when my wife asked about IVM, he said it wasn't peer reviewed.

Suffice it to say we treated based on weight and it was LITERALLY a night vs. day difference over the next 48 hours. Note that she was spiraling and it was obvious enough to our concierge that he wanted her to get an oxygen monitor. But no ****ing early treatment recommendation!

I saw him this week and said that I could give two ****s about an American doctor peer reviewing anything. I told him they're owned by the government, the data are in (and worldwide at that), and guess what? We treated her with IVM and she bounced back like it was nothing. I also said his "best practices" wouldn't work in my field where as a scientist, I have to follow best practice and ALSO make - news flash - decisions on my own based on the current information available.

These American quacks have ZERO faith in their own clinical abilities, and they have ZERO courage to do the right thing. They're zombies. And they are NOT scientists. They memorized human anatomy and a PDR. Waiters in white coats and I will NEVER forget this.

This is how Dark Ages are born. I could write an article on that topic alone.

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Heartlander
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@Reformedhippy

I am shocked beyond words at how many people are willing to Death Jab their own kids.

My opinion of the average American parent sinks ever lower.
Heartlander
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@Mabman

As happens so often, I'm asking myself HOW IS THIS NEWS?

Wasn't it established over a year ago that it's fricking aerosol transmission? Why the hell are we still even having this discussion?!

I guess for the same reason they keep masking little kids even though we've known since the beginning that kids do not get and do not spread this disease.

Everything I have known and read about for over a year keeps being treated as "breaking news." I guess I should be grateful they're covering it at all. But where the hell have these people BEEN for the last 18 months?

I'm so exasperated I could spit.
Sonoran_monk
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@Conventional_wiz - That could make a lot of this a really messed up Munchausen syndrome by proxy

@Traelin0 - If bribes are on the table, then who was willing to pay how much and toward what ends?
Bluto
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@Tickerguy Great analysis, as usual. One question though: what explains the high rate of heart problems seen in clot shot recipients versus those that naturally catch the China virus? They both have the spike protein. Could it be that the clot shots are inducing the body into making a higher number or "better" spike proteins in an effort to boost titers well above what they need to be since said titers from the clot shots show degrade so quickly (per your column a couple of weeks ago)?

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Bluto
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Upon perusing some of the latest VAERS data, I noticed several entries noting that "instructions were not followed" in regards to the timing of the second shot (too late or too soon). I have never seen stuff like that before in VAERS, but I not doing any sampling of a size to be statistically significant either.

I just found it interesting since it sounds hauntingly familiar to the "blame the patient" mentality that was so prevalent with the "high-carb, Standard American Diet" garbage they peddled for decades. Patients followed their doctor's instructions perfectly, but continued to put on weight. The doctors blamed their patients for not following instructions, and assumed they were cheating by eating a lot of fat. Everybody knows the way to lose weight is more carbs and less fat, right???

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If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace.... Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
Vernonb
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Here is something I've been thinking about with myocarditis and pericarditis.

Will actual heart inflammation now lead to further increase in heart disease in the general population? With heart disease first comes the injury to blood vessels and then comes the body's response. Add to that dietary factors and how may 20 somethings will have the heart equivalent of a 70+ man in bad health in 10 years.

Heart disease is rampant in my family. Except for me there is not one male that has not had 3-5 bypasses and later stents by the time they were 40. For some reason I've dodged that bullet thus far at almost 60. I'm a picky eater especially avoiding fast carbs and vegetable oils like a plague.

How many others just had their lives shortened and quality of life destroyed.

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Asimov
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Wasn't it established over a year ago that it's fricking aerosol transmission?


While it obviously can be transmitted that way, fecal->oral is probably more of a problem. It may well be the main source with the super spreading events too.

Wash your hands.

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Quantum
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@Scotbarber The FLCCC prophylaxis protocol is 0.2 mg/kg twice per week (which adds up to a lot of IVM over the long haul). I have seen others that have different dosing and frequency, and some of the RCTs used regimens differing from the FLCCC's, too.

Neonsignal
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@tickerguy

Another possible explanation for 20% with antibodies vs 80% with t cell?
Is T cell recognition perfected with antibody coverage after a very mild and maybe not noticeable infection?

In that case the antibody test positivity would not be limited to 20% as some of the 80% would end up with antibodies. And we then can't be sure of how far along we are toward everyone susceptible being infected.

How were the cases on diamond princess established? PCR with symptoms?
Tickerguy
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@Bluto - Simple -- it's a respiratory virus. It therefore infects there first, in the upper respiratory tract, and if it "gets" you it gets into the lungs. If it REALLY gets you it spreads from there, and you're ****ed.

When you get the jab you're inducing spike production EVERYWHERE. Anyone who says an IM jab stays in the muscle has rocks in their head. It most-certainly does not, and the first place it ends up is in the general circulation.

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Tickerguy
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@Vernonb - The 900lb gorilla in the room is PAH. Not testable through a non-invasive procedure; by the time it becomes symptomatic your heart is ****ED.

Typical time from inception to symptoms is 2-3 years, time from there to heart failure is <5 years. You get a transplant and resolution of the problem within the pulmonary circulation or you die.

Yeah.

Both the jab AND Covid-19 can plausibly cause it, and there's no way to know until you get hammered.

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Kokobeware
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Another study illustrating how damaging the spike protein really is ...

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/pay-....
Raftermanfmj
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@Traelin0

"Never attribute to a complex conspiracy what could otherwise be attributed to greed, fraud, and corruption at the highest levels.

Yeah, you hear that a lot, Hanlon's razor, along with Occam's. Both get mentioned and promoted widely to enervate those that are being ruthlessly exploited and destroyed. "There can't be any great conspiracy here; it's just hubris / greed / stupidity etc."

What's ironic is that Epstien was quite literally a joint CIA / MOSSAD operation that showed us an unblinkered view of how the West is run; blackmail of as many US government officials, Congress-critters and influential people as possible.

Not the first operation of that type ran by Our Greatest Ally and not the last. Do recall that Epstein was given a hands-off treatment in his first run-in with the law; prosecutors were told directly to back off as he 'belongs to intel.'

Not going to get into a diatribe here, you either see what's going on, or you choose obtuseness and Hanlon's razor. Maybe the latter keeps some sane.

There's not one person reading this that doesn't know you ALWAYS have a deadman switch if you're a spy. And not one person here believes a billionaire with Mossad contacts, scads of money, and his own jet would go fly to NY and allow himself to be arrested. Israel, a non-extradition country, etc. But no, he flies to NY where AT best he spends his life in prison. No. He knew he'd be extracted (or possibly he'd already been replaced by a double, and never disembarked in NY).

Point is, he's still alive.

Another demoralization meme like the first two, this one promoted by so-called Christians is the idea that evil always loses and the best thing to do is roll over and let those that do evil to them and their families get theirs in the afterlife. "Oh well, they'll burn in hell for what they did." Christians used to fight, but no longer.

Figuring out exactly how, and when Christianity was emasculated might be an entertaining line of inquiry.

Evil always loses in the end, right? But what if it doesn't, because good men (and women) just sit around, and take it?

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Traelin0
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Sonoran_monk wrote..
@Traelin0 - If bribes are on the table, then who was willing to pay how much and toward what ends?

If truth be told, it really doesn't matter. Washington is so filthy dirty that there is no chance, no hope of saving it from within.

But if I am betting man, it was right after George Mitchell's name popped up with respect to Epstein that everything went pear-shaped. He had the goods on so many people. We don't have to even speculate about who he was working for or anything, it suffices just to know that a lot more folks wanted him dead than alive.

Why Trump allowed this to happen, twice, on his watch is a mystery for the ages. But he did. TWICE.

Jstr
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Does the study keep vaccine (S) immunity and natural (broad; S+N+?) immunity apart? It should be possible from the data.
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@Jstr - Yes. Natural immunity is about 20% as of May. Vaccine the balance.

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