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Wakeupcall
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Georgi, that 74% figure is a catchment area. Meaning they tried to get samples from all across USA, but were only able to get 74% of the area. Maybe no samples from some states?

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Susanlauren
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For the life of me I do not understand. There are an increasing number of voices literally screaming at the top of their lungs for the madness to stop. The vaxx mandates. Jabbing kids. Booster shots. Lack of early effective treatments. Yet there continues to be a crowd of people who are running in formation - over a cliff. These folks cannot hear what is being said to them - warning of grave danger - and they do not see the canyon they are about to fall into. I just don't get it. It is creepy as all can be. Mass delusion. What will it take for the COVID madness to stop?
Tickerguy
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Well, I think we're gonna find out come fall and winter.

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Mabman
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I think this article is behind a paywall (Im a subscriber) https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/08....

Ontario fought against treating COVID-19 as an airborne threat in hospitals and won. With the fourth wave bearing down, was that the right move?
By Ed TubbToronto Star
Kenyon WallaceInvestigative Reporter
Thu., Aug. 26, 2021timer17 min. read
updateArticle was updated Aug. 27, 2021

Heres some of the hilites:

The question of how COVID spreads from person to person is not just an esoteric debate. If the virus is, in fact, an airborne threat, that has profound consequences not just on how health workers should guard against infecting themselves, their colleagues and patients, but also on what well find when we try to understand how things went wrong.
The question matters because it is radically more difficult to control an airborne disease than one that spreads primarily at short range through what experts refer to as large respiratory droplets.

The Juravinski outbreak is an example of how two sides of the debate can look at the same evidence and reach opposite conclusions.

Leiss opinion was endorsed in court by 29 other IPAC professionals representing 24 Ontario hospital networks, all of whom signed in agreement that COVID-19 is primarily transmitted via droplet and contact route in health-care settings, rather than through airborne transmission, and that Directive 5 follows the precautionary principle.

Outside Canada, one of the most compelling new studies favouring airborne spread in hospitals comes from the U.K., where Cambridge University Hospitals tested upgrading the surgical masks worn by staff in COVID wards to FFP3 respirators equivalent to an N99 rating.
The results, yet to be peer-reviewed, were staggering: staff saw a drop in infection of up to 100 per cent.
Its certainly consistent with aerosol spread, said Dr. Mark Ferris, an occupational physician at the universitys Occupational Health Service and an author of the study.

Earlier this month, a study in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases found the most direct evidence yet of COVIDs airborne potential. Researchers at the National University of Singapore found that fine aerosols generated by infected COVID patients talking and singing contained more of the virus than larger coarse particles.
Our study demonstrates that SARS-CoV-2 can be aerosolized in the absence of coughing, sneezing, and aerosol-generating medical procedures, they wrote. Thus, exposure to fine aerosols should be mitigated, especially indoors.

In it, the researchers cite published evidence showing a strong effect of ventilation on transmission; a clear difference between indoor and outdoor risk; documented cases of long-range transmission; observed infections despite the use of masks and eye protection; examples of superspreader events; and evidence from animal experiments and airflow simulations that each provide strong and unequivocal evidence for airborne transmission.
Weighing this research, and a lack of similar evidence demonstrating that larger droplets or contaminated surfaces can spread COVID-19, the authors conclude: we must acknowledge that airborne transmission is much more prevalent than previously recognized.
They add: Given all that we have learned about SARS-CoV-2 infection, the aerosol transmission pathway needs to be reevaluated for all respiratory infectious diseases. Additional precautionary measures must be implemented for mitigating aerosol transmission at both short and long ranges, with particular attention to ventilation, airflows, air filtration, UV disinfection, and mask fit. These interventions are critical tools for ending the current pandemic and preventing future outbreaks.

Hota, who also endorsed Leiss opinion in the nurses court challenge, on Thursday added in an email to the Star that the issue cant be resolved in black and white terms of droplets vs. aerosols, or surgical masks vs. N95 respirators.
Radiosity
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the confirmation that vaccine passports will be introduced in the United Kingdom from October


*Sigh*

Better arrange to see my brother and sister before then I guess, might be my last ever opportunity :/
Uwe
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Australia - no healthcare unless you take the [jab] ; Victoria premier daniel andrews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEWhbkWW....

The joke will be on him when it becomes apparent that the jabbed spread it more than the unjabbed.

And as for "no healthcare"... Fine. I'll take my chances.


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Asimov
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PLS: I can't answer your question. Sorry.

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Tickerguy
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Yep.

Around here at least, and probably in MOST hospitals in the US, you're far better off NOT going to the hospital.

Of course that means planning for something like Covid in advance so you can mitigate risk.

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Burningbhb
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I've been trying to understand this guy's, (Walter Chesnut) posts for the past couple of weeks. Most of it is way over my head, but he has many followers, and he appears to think he understands part of the "evil" of the spike protein. Latest post discusses how it may deactivate a key gene (FOXO3) involved with protection against all kinds of diseases. Of course, he calls for immediate halting of "spike protein therapies" (aka vaccines)

"We have a virus more dangerous than anything that has infected a human, or most likely anything else. Ever.
UNLIKE ANYTHING I HAVE EVER SEEN. THE SPIKE PROTEIN OF SARS-CoV-2 APPEARS TO DEACTIVATE FOXO3. IF OUR BODY WAS THE USS ENTERPRISE, OUR SHIELDS WOULD BE PERMANENTLY DISABLED. IT HAS TAKEN ALMOST TWO YEARS TO DISCOVER THIS."

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/14349....
Susanlauren
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@Tickerguy
You may well be right. It has occurred to me that the people who end up with a resignation or termination from their places of employment may be the fortunate ones. I am not sure I want to be up close and personal and in the line of fire as this &_$(/@! goes down.
Hanssachs
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Isn't the most likely response to this to be to double down? They used to claim Delta was an Rnought of about 6. "the JAMA article clearly shows that that estimate MUST be low. It's clearly an Rnough that corresponds to something requiring 95% immunity."

Of course, the number of people with antibodies has continued to rise since May, so on current levels of vaccination and NI, you'd expect even LOWER likelihood of a spike, unless SARSCOV2 wins the gold in the RNought Olympic competition.

Can they at least claim that vaxxed people have better outcomes? That's the last thin reed supporting the case for individuals to decide to take them.
Tickerguy
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@Hanssachs -
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Can they at least claim that vaxxed people have better outcomes? That's the last thin reed supporting the case for individuals to decide to take them.

At present that is still holding, barely.

But that does not support mandates, and in fact turns an attempted mandate into a felony exactly as it would be if you prohibited a fat person from buying more than a certain amount (or type) of food.

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Neonsignal
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@thelazer

How did you get your t cell test done? Did you use https://www.t-detect.com/

Do you know if that is a similar test capability to what was used in the journal article showing 80% people had t cell recognition?
Conventional_wiz
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How does this jive with the other research showing an ~80 percent per-existing cross-resistance rate in the population and the closed scenarios such as Diamond Princess which topped out at ~20 percent infection rate?

The JAMA study shows that ~20% were infected as of May, which would be roughly the maximum if the general US population followed Diamond Princess. Yet we have had this spike in cases since then.

Am I off-base on that? Curious how to square these two points of fact (this JAMA study along with the previous Diamond Princess and cross-resistance study and other observations that most populations had maxed out at ~20% infection rate).

Is the fact that USA is now substantially > 20% cases mainly an indication of VEI or are there other interactions that Im overlooking?

Thanks all in advance for chiming in!

And great ticker, Karl. Still waiting for your part 2 interview though! First one was fantastic, and was perfect timing heading into the Labor Day weekend too! Listened to it while doing some interior painting.
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@Conventional_wiz - If the vaccines destroy existing resistance then it's very plausible.

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Hedgecarey
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Good point TG! That could explain a lot.
Traelin0
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Jesjohn94 wrote..
We know that whatever happens, the solution is jabs, lockdowns, remote learning and masks.

We're all going to have to take close tally of who pushes what, and who supports them. I do consider myself blessed to have listened to Karl and others for years, and thankful that the Lord has guided me on my current agri endeavors.

The irony of the sentence above is not lost on me when I say the following: It is Christian to pity the damned, to bury the dead, etc. But it does not mean I will feed my former tyrant.

And I will NOT. Full stop.
Thomasjkenney
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@susanlauren re: marching oblivious

I think those inside the bubble have been industriously sawing away at their sensors, so no feedback is getting in.
Truthseeker
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Thhomaskenney! If you find people plugging their ears and hollering "na na na na na" when in danger of hearing a contrary viewpoint, the "no feedback" loop is firmly in place! :-)

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Traelin0
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Lightning wrote..
I fear Karl is correct & winter will suck for many.

Agreed. It's one thing to partake in schadenfreude, which I will never do. Very bad juju I refuse to bring on myself. However, I cannot have a significant amount of pity for folks who had over a year to conduct the same research I did.

Maybe they didn't get the math. Maybe they've never been a data junkie. Fair enough.

But to give into blindfolded fear? Didn't Jefferson warn us of this? The black community is intimately familiar with medical experimentation and - at least anecdotally, I am thankful to say - were suspicious right out of the gate.

What happened with Israel? That's the nagging question for me that Karl alluded to earlier. I just don't get living in such fear where one would potentially compromise their very existence without at least praying for discernment.

Dumb****ery abounds, methinks.

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Raftermanfmj wrote..
Epstein isnt dead.

Never attribute to a complex conspiracy what could otherwise be attributed to greed, fraud, and corruption at the highest levels.

1. Bribe the guards, or pay attention to when their lazy asses go and take a siesta.
2. Bribe his bunkmate.
3. Bribe XYZ.

He had the goods on many high-level, evil mofos. He was more than expendable, he was a liability of the highest order.

He's dead, Jim!
Mannfm11
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That tells you they didn't bring these shots out to stop the virus. They aren't that stupid. They brought them out to******and murder us. They were talking about a booster the day they put them out. One booster, 2 boosters, 3 boosters, 4, load them up and lets do some more.

How many hundreds of billions do you think they were planning to make off this stuff? Enough to bribe every politician on earth and put hundreds of billions in their pockets. We have had put into office thousands of greedy NAZI's around the world. You can't even imagine making up the nonsense that is being pushed. They should all be rounded up and sledgehammered on the side walks in front of the buildings they occupy. We would do better getting new ones straight out of the con man prisons. At least everyone would know who they are, instead of thinking we have people interested in us.

The idea this is a conspiracy theory can only be taken seriously by brainwashed idiots. How can something be a theory, when logical reason is thrown out the window and replaced with something so ridiculous that no intelligent person should believe it. Everything that worked to stop this virus has been censored or is priced at a cost that no one could pay it. The stuff that don't work, the poisons, have been pushed and anyone pointing out how poor they work or how dangerous they are is a misinformation terrorist. This isn't a theory, it is a conspiracy to enslave and loot the people of the western world, carried on by politicians and medical authorities put there for that very purpose.

I'm going to start off with the hide and seek story we have been getting for 18 months. 20% of the people have antibodies and this is a very infectious disease? If, after over a year, only 20% of the population has gotten what is supposed to be an aerosol virus, then the other 80% must have some decent immunity. In 1968, the whole damn country had the Hong Kong flu, which is why the 2009 virus failed so badly.

Much of the world has been imprisoned by this and the people of the US have been financially raped and imprisoned by our government. We the people are supposed to be the government. It is time we make that clear and a majority isn't supposed to be able to financially and mentally******the minority. Yet, we see Congress steal money in chunks of trillions. I remember when the graft was a few million.

How much of the Bill of Rights have been confiscated from us over the past 100 years of war? Americans need to come to realize we have sold our inheritance for a bowl of porridge. War and Emergency has been used to strip us of our rights and our wealth as well. I won't go into debate over this. All you have to do is look at the******in the English speaking countries, under an emergency declared by an international (International means communist), corrupt organization and rubber stamped by the countries mentioned. Regulations, not law rule.

There is a difference between law and legal. Law means you can't fly by flapping your wings. Legal means an implication you can. It rules legal what is unlawful. War and emergency have its roots all they way back to the Roman Empire, which started out a Republic, just like the USA. The rule of necessity took the power of the people away and replaced it with a bunch of venturesome dictators.

We have been debating this nonsense for 18 month. How can you have a debate over anything, when the establishment has decided the ridiculous is true and the truth has to be censored. They are stealing trillions and we, the people don't have many trillions left. I suspect they don't have much use for us and will use the fact we have hat in hand, ready to beg, to get rid of a bunch of us. This is being run, in part, by a self proclaimed genocidal freak, Bill Gates, who has bought off BBC and much of the rest of the media around the free world. What do you think MS means in front of NBC?

I know I am rambling, but there is too much bull**** surrounding this subject to think anyone out front, on the medical establishment side is our friend. The NAZI's in Germany operated in much the same manner. The dupes, who lapped up their story went along with it. They nearly blew up the world. Don't think, for one minute the war was between the NAZI's and the rest of the world. No, it was between the British and American NAZI's and the German NAZI's. The new Deal was fascism. The model had already been embraced and carried out by the Morgan's and Rockefeller's through Wilson and FDR. The cold war was between the corporate NAZI's and the State NAZI's. Call them what you want, socialist fall in one of the 2 brackets.

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Any health professional who recommends this jab for all after seeing all the evidence worldwide and the continual moving of the goal posts over the last 18 months (I prefer to call them "lies") needs to think of another career. These same idiots will blame the unjabbed for this mess once the jabbed get covid, and those numbers are going up.

Do not trust anyone in a lab coat, they mostly have no clue about immunology and epidemiology and have certainly forgot whatever they once learned. All you have to do is ask a few basic questions and they will not be able to answer them rationally. Only "do it for granny".

Whoever posted this link below on a prior Ticker, many thanks. I read it all and if you want a comprehensive view of all the stuff Karl has been writing about in one place, it is here. If you read this, you will certainly know more about this issue than the vast majority of docs and nurses out there slinging the jabs. Send it to them too. I don't care what they think...they are responsible for harming innocent, vulnerable lives who depend on them for guidance. And they should know better. The jabs don't work because THEY CANNOT WORK. And once you start going down the road of unintended consequences of lockdowns, masks, etc. (nature does not care about your fee fees or thoughts)......it gets real interesting.

https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/th....



Darqfybr
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If businesses wish to comply with vaxx-ports, eff em. The implosion will be glorious when all their customers are dead.

I'm at the point of letting it burn. The smart ones will make it through.
Scotbarber
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Have purchased 6mg ivermectin tablets(human type) as a prophylactic for my elderly dad,who is heading to the 6 month post vax danger zone in time for winter. Struggling to read through the flccc protocol...would 48mg a month seem reasonable for an 80kg male?
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