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Mjc1960
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Incept: 2015-02-28

chicago, il
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@Frat
The vaxxed in this area is only ~35%
Also a generally unhealthy group. Overweight.
I will canvas my family members and add what I here to the group discussion.
It's a small dataset in a big pool.
If you consider just one story, the result can be a distorted view of the situation.

I trust what I hear here more than any MSM or politician.
The collected story give a better picture, keep them coming.



Handyone55
Posts: 301
Incept: 2010-07-06

Ceciltucky, Maryland
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@Troymt - Have you considered taking a proper dose of ivermectin horse paste as a preventative? I take a 150 pound dose every 2 weeks. My actual weight is 170 so I am being conservative on dosage.

My Tractor Supply was out of horse paste but, I got the last bottle of injectable and syringes to draw it out and measure it. Injectable is taken by mouth as well.

DISCLAIMER. I AM A HANDYMAN AND HALF FAST PLUMBER WITH ONLY BASIC FIRST AID SKILLS. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
Tappedout
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"We, in our arrogance, believed that foregoing the several years required to make sure that ordinary mutational patterns would not lead to the same result didn't need to take place and a short, four month trial was sufficient."

I think you are being too generous with your attribution to arrogance. It was so much more than that.

Greed. Power. Political pressure. Media pressure. And the resulting societal panic- pressure. A perfect storm. One of the reasons they sought, and were granted immunity. (They other being: We know they won't refuse, therefore there's no reason to not demand).

I hope, some day, we hear the truth. See the internal emails. Maybe whistle blowers. Some of the people behind the curtains are not only brilliant and have known all along, but also have a conscience.

Do I think that will happen?

As I tell the youngsters in my family: If you want to know how things really work in this country, I can sum it up in one name. Jeffrey Epstein.

Not a peep about what was found in the raids, or how he amassed his fortune and properties. No FOI requests from "media." It's as if he did not even exist, or die in a cell.
Winder
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Incept: 2016-02-15

Texas
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So Karl, 2 college students at home for a month, each with coof 2 weeks apart. We took no precautions other than an extra swig of dewormer. Neither wife or me has come down with it. 1st case 1 August.

Out of curiosity I got the antibody test at Kroger; negative. Now I did have something that kicked my ass last May or so. All the symptoms of coof although no breathing difficulties at all. Really thought I had it.

So should I surmise Im naturally immune? Or do the antibodies fade to a point where they dont test?
Troymt
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Incept: 2021-08-15

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@Tickerguy

Thank-you. We were outside most of the time and the sun was shining. I have read that the incubation period is 4-6 days so I am most likely out of the woods from that particular exposure. Only time will tell for sure.

The whole concept of NOT KNOWING whether the nasty bug both my wife and I had in the beginning of 2020 was Covid is something that nags at me often. I want to get an antibody test done but the idea of having the results shared with the government doesn't appeal to me. I may do it anyway just to finally get an answer to the nagging question in the back of my mind. As far as the idea of forced vaxxes being a possibility in the future, being on a lst of people without known antibodies is no different than being on the list of people that are not vaxxed. They have that list already, so what's the difference at that point. If someone wants to give me the shot, they are going to have to take mine first!
Asimov
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East Tennessee
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Maybe your friend washed his hands after ****ting.

It may well be that simple.

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Traelin0
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Tickerguy wrote..
@Twainfan2 - What Hitler could not accomplish the Israeli government may do on their own.

Yup. Maybe the unvaxxed Israelis should go long Hazmat suits. Somebody needs to be alive to operate the bulldozers while the corpses fester.
Maddmaxx
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"@Troymt - Australian tourist, fully vaccinated. Came here, no symptoms at the time, infected 60 people. Upon returning home became symptomatic and tested positive.

So yeah. I'd say 60 downstream infected people is pretty damned good evidence. Never mind Cape Cod where a ****-ton of vaccinated people got nailed (which was what caused the CDC to go back to "wear masks") and nobody, at the time the infections occurred, was symptomatic."

Add the Vietnam Hospital case study where they tested the positive workers for ct values and found they were highly infectious 2-3 days before showing symptoms.
Maddmaxx
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Incept: 2021-05-31

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@Mjc1960 In a different thread I updated the deaths from the official data of Public Health Scotland. Over the last 6 weeks, 200 deaths in the vaccinated group and 134 in the unvaccinated group. The same kind of results are seen in England and then there's the data from Israel as well as the anecdotal reports from IM Doc. If what you're being told is true, it is somewhat anomalous, but we are not as far along this process as is Israel. The trend seems to be to close the gap as we move further from vaccination. As Karl suggests, the question is whether we then cross over and see much higher numbers in the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated.
Cynicdeluxe
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Incept: 2020-02-07

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So... is the Israel data at:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronaviru....

...incorrect, or what?

What data source did they stop updating?
Deep6
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Incept: 2015-09-01

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Um, to those who are healthcare providers, Docs, nurses, techs, and are reporting primarily UNVAXXED individuals utilizing the ER's, ICU's, a question or 2.
What initially brought those patients into contact with the healthcare system? Was their ER visit for example due to COVID symptoms, or did they access the system due to a cardiac episode, trauma, or other health issue? And upon entering said system, due to their non vaxxed status, were then PCR tested with a test whose CT number is greater than 35, found 'positive', then admitted as a COVID patient even though their initial issue was non-COVID?? Also, are vaxxed patients uniformly COVID tested upon entering the system? If not, then ones hospital COVID observations would be extremely 'biased'.......
4lakes
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Incept: 2021-09-06

Canada
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I always wondered about the immune status of the vaccinated after they have been 'breakthrough' infected, either asymptomatically or symptomatically ? Do they have lasting immunity or not ?
Samiam
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Incept: 2021-05-11

Sweden
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So, I made it back to the States in time before my mom died. Her funeral is tomorrow with burial on Wednesday and then I hope and pray I can make it back to Sweden. The Swedes just placed USA on the entry ban list. Having permanent residency should get me back into the country since I am transiting thru Germany and will be doing the border check there. My only hitch is getting my test results back soon enough. The test they are mandating now is the PRC lab test that says it takes 1-2 days to have results. My test results can't be older than 48 hours which means I have to take the test on Thursday morning before leaving Friday afternoon. Any and all prayers for receiving the test results in time would be greatly appreciated...

I also had to sit thru the meeting planning the funeral with the priest and my sisters who are both vaxxed where they blamed the whole problem on people like me (he doesn't know that I'm not vaxxed). My family has been pretty good about accepting me in their presence and haven't pushed the mask thing and have allowed me to stay in their houses so there is that and I stayed at the nursing home where my mom was dying for almost a week and all I had to do was take a quick test before I was allowed to enter.

I managed to get 2 containers of injectible Ivermectin at 2 different fleet farms and took my first prophylactic dose 2 days ago. I hope that it will suffice for the funeral and burial. I've been doing Vitamin D3, tulsi tea and zinc and vitamin C as well. Hoping they will both be still in my bags when I get back to Sweden...

I never in a million years would've thought I'd say this but I can't wait to get back to Sweden because I feel 100x more free there than I do here in the States :(
Jc3
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Incept: 2020-03-02

South Texas 93 miles from Houston
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Probably seeing this bonus vax feature at work(cases shooting up).
I'll forward the JAMA link and summary to medical folks there today along with this one below about enhancement from 2009. Also will include a statement that company may want to rethink their current financial incentive(health insurance pricing, unvaxxed are being threatened to pay HUNDREDS per month more for coverage) as more vaxxed folks will mean higher cost to company and possible loss of key employees due to injury, disability, or death by being vaxxed.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article....
Crabbucket
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Incept: 2021-01-26

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@Handyone55 - I'm in Ceciltucky also. Middletown TSC has been out of stock for weeks for the horse paste and they even took it off their website. They still list the liquid IVM but you have to convince them you actually have horses.

Just say you own a liver chestnut Morgan rescue horse that's 15 hands with an indeterminate age because the Amish don't keep records (they actually do but meh). Your vet is from SBS in C City and think his name might be Dave. HTH
Tickerguy
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@4lakes There's not enough good data to know.

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Ring_main
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My wife is vaxxed (dec/Jan) and I am not. She is symptomatic and tested positive a couple days ago. Probably picked it up working at the hospital a week ago. No comorbidities other than recent childbirth if that is one. I feel fine and tested neg as of yesterday but positive today along with the kids. Ran 5 miles Sat and 5 this morning at a usual pace which I will use as a bit of a bellwether for how I feel.

I maintain that I had this **** in November of 2019. Almost a month of on and off but at times severe phlegm, fever, chills, and fatigue. Wife had the same symptoms but kids were unaffected. Never been sick like that before and hope it doesn't come back around the same way...or worse.
Jesjohn94
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Incept: 2019-05-07

Atlanta
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None of this is reassuring. We've seen this movie before. We know that whatever happens, the solution is jabs, lockdowns, remote learning and masks. Maybe they will be new jabs or the same ones. The answer will never be an existing off patent drug like ivermectin. The authorities and media will keep lying to cover up whatever doesn't fit their story. The mandates will get pushed harder and the vaxxed which are the majority will love it.
Bakerv
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Incept: 2021-04-21

Florida
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Are the Chinese still not jabbing their people with mrna based vaxes? Asking for a friend.
Bakerv
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Incept: 2021-04-21

Florida
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Also interesting situation...The small human and I are big Red Sox fans. Watch them on the tube most nights. They are currently getting hit hard with the coof. Eleven players I believe as of last night on the covid IL. During an interview a couple days ago the manager let it slip that the majority were vaxed players.

Then last night one of the announcers was giving an update on one of the players and said he was going through heart tests before being cleared. Found that odd. Are all the players going through heart testing prior to being cleared? Or is this one player now having heart issues?

Very interesting...
Heartlander
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Incept: 2021-02-25

Kansas
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@Tappedout wrote:
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As I tell the youngsters in my family: If you want to know how things really work in this country, I can sum it up in one name. Jeffrey Epstein.

Not a peep about what was found in the raids, or how he amassed his fortune and properties. No FOI requests from "media." It's as if he did not even exist....

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THIS.

4lakes
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Incept: 2021-09-06

Canada
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If Vanden Bossche is correct, and his track record is pretty good, vaccination will affect natural immunity. Point 34 in his FAQ closes with this statement, I quote:

"Mass vaccination does neither improve the quality nor the memory of acquired immunity in those who recovered from Covid-19 disease and will suppress natural immunity in those who resisted the disease. This is highly problematic especially since those with strong natural immunity (primarily, young and healthy youngsters and children!) can deal with ALL variants, which, of course, does no longer apply once they get vaccinated!"

Tickerguy
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Well, I don't like the word "will" until there's data to back it up.

We are STARTING to see data that VEI is actually happening. I put it forward as a risk and pointed out that conclusive data would take a year or more, but of course we didn't bother with the time -- Warp Speed, you know. Now the data is showing up and its strongly hinting that this is occurring.

Whether getting jabbed will damage or destroy innate resistance or, much worse, tamper with acquired natural immunity, is not yet in evidence in sufficient volume for me to opine on it. I do understand the mechanisms by which it can happen, but again, it was entirely possible (by the mechanistic data) that both aspirin and blood pressure meds could potentiate infection; the latter turned out to be not true and the former turned out to be helpful as aspirin is both a mild anti-coagulant and a moderate-strength anti-inflammatory.

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Heartlander
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@Samiam

My condolences in the loss of your mom. I am glad for both you and her that you got to be with her before she died.

Congrats on scoring some ivermectin here. It's getting hard to come by. I see you take 3 of the Big 4 -- Vitamin C, D, and zinc. All you need is quercetin, to get the zinc efficiently into your cells. Then add melatonin daily, and with biweekly ivermectin, you have the FLCCC prevention protocol! (Although in Sweden, you might only need the IVM weekly, and maybe less than that if you have no risk factors. The FLCCC allows tweaking of the protocol depending on how bad the Covid situation on-the-ground is wherever you are. Sweden sounds like a healthier, safer place right now.)

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I never in a million years would've thought I'd say this but I can't wait to get back to Sweden because I feel 100x more free there than I do here in the States :(

Sad, but true!!

God bless you as you go through the challenges of this week.
Sonoran_monk
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Incept: 2021-08-16

Between a saguaro and an arroyo.
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This entire episode is a good reminder of how bad people are at risk management.

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