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Nadavegan
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There have been 10 cases of COVID at my place of business in the last 6 weeks or so, in a shop of ~85 people.

7 are fully vaxxed.

1 young man, early 30's, former military SOF and in great shape, fully vaxxed, last I heard from him peaked his fever at 105 degrees. He got vaxxed so he could "travel".

Meanwhile, those of us who are not vaxxed just shake our heads, and whisper.

People know, they are noticing, they are talking. Karl is right, this scam is dead, the body just hasn't hit the floor yet.
Whitehat
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want to bet that if i show that simple equation Karl placed in this article to top tier medical doctors, medical residents, students and specialists in the field of infectious disease, that fewer than twenty percent will be able to tell me what it means. Probably a good portion of those will refuse to answer.


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Mjc1960
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@Frat
Where do you get 3-4 nightly reports on hospitals admissions?
How many hospital workers personally report to you?

Cmoledor
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Morning all. Hope youre all not working today because of reasons to be lazy. Wave the flag high and proud Karl. You earned that right. Always grateful to read here.

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Why are you giving a vulgarity warning here? Our genial host is an advocate of both skull****ing and sodomy via rusty chainsaw. Credit to Rollformer
Thelazer
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The new narrative is "the vaccine is there to reduce your symptoms not to cure or prevent.. It was always this way.. Remember?"

(Just like you remember how it was only 14 days to slow the spread eh?)

So what is it, is a treatment, a preventive, perhaps a therapeutic then?

I'm one of the few, who never had natural chicken pox. So I'm at higher risk.

So as I have kids, I got a pox shot because as you know kids spread it. Now when I went, did the Dr tell me to stay away from my kids, because even though I got the pox shot, my kids could still give it to me?

Hell no he didn't. I've never heard such crap as this in my life.

Meanwhile, here in Florida.
The parks are PACKED this weekend, maybe about 20% mask usage.
Airport is reporting that they are BUSYER now than they were pre pandemic.
Exppi
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Whitehat - yet they will continue to repeat how they are the smartest person in the room. Its gotten damn tiring.
Blackcrow
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I think it is worse than what Karl is saying about jabs and VEI - and that is bad enough!!

If you look carefully at the summer 2020 curves, they all come down very close to baseline by the end of the summer. That was the time of severe lockdowns. Those only last so long as the Australia data indicate.

In that time frame, the only people getting jabs were in clinical trials, a very small number in the population. Remember that all the trials allowed crossover from the control group (unjabbed) to the experimental (jabbed) arms, effectively doubling the number of jabbed people.

Then we saw the rise in cases in late November-December 2020 in the US. This peaked and began to drop before the first jab when into the first arms, which was about 12/28/2020 here in Texas. In mid March 2021, we were 10% fully jabbed and as we have increased the jabbing, our cases have only increased - and never went down to the summer 2020 baseline.

The lull in May/June likely indicates the change in testing mandated by the CDC in only testing the symptomatic people. (More goal shifting.)

This is the pattern across the US and India follows this same pattern. Coincidentally, there were 44,000 Ivermectin Rxs in the US in 12/2020 and some think that may have contributed to the drop in cases. Same in India which handed it out in Mid May2021 and broke their Delta curve.

That the cases never come back to baseline after jabbing starts may indicate that VEI starts to occur immediately after the jabs. That would indicate that either the vaccines cause viral escape immediately, which apparently they do, and that the antibodies produced by the jabs lead to VEI when the next mutations inevitably come along.

(I have to examine this in more detail but the hubbie is bugging me to help him with the deer feeders this morning and I am getting the Evil Eye by blogging here.)

Now the jabbing is continued unabated and the cases continue to rise, look at Israel.

FUBAR CF doesn't even begin to describe it this winter.





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@Mjc1960 - Frat is married to a nurse who actually sees the people coming in and makes said decisions -- and thus has the information personally. Obviously he gets said information immediately and frequently. Being someone's spouse tends to work that way.

I have several people I know (who I won't name or "out") in different parts of the country who provide me less-frequent data. They ALL report the same shift. Yes, two months ago it was mostly unvaxxed. It has shifted, exactly as was expected to happen based on the Israel and UK data. Statistically speaking those showing up in the ER seeking admission are now coming in not far off from whatever the population vaccination rate is in terms of split. Yes, there still is a deviation, but it's closing FAST and, if VEI is in fact occurring as I suspect it will cross over as it has in Israel. Israel stopped publishing their data when that happened as it was wildly obviously what had occurred.

IF that occurs here it's going to be VERY bad.

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Dnomsed
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@Tickerguy
Yes. Excellent analysis and ticker, sir. Kudos.
Quik49
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In just our little weekend group, sis friend reporst on a fam of 6 that all got it...4 vexxed...1 of those in hospital....one on vent and banana peel...mid,30s...no comorbidities.

Bil had a game,on last night...ND....packed stadium, no diapers...this is gonna get interesting unfortunately.

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Tickerguy
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Mid 30s, no morbidities, vaxxed? I'll lay odds that's VEI.

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Blanca
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@Tickerguy

Thanks for doing the analysis for us!
Mjc1960
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Thanks Karl,
I take offense at the bull**** label, 3 or 4 texts a night from your wife is no better a data set that mine.

My daughter reports often and is pushing the jab.
I explain to her that she only sees the very sick, being an ER doc.
She asks if they are vaxxed or if they use any protocols, ivermectic, vitamin D ect, so this is not official hospital stats.
She doesn't see the 100's or thousands with mild symptoms.
So it looks very bad to her. Many ER docs are burning out.
This happens to be a low vaxxed area.

It's also the case that the old and infirm were vaxxed first and it's beginning to where off. It's also probable that the vaccine is becoming mismatched with the new variants and causing the mutations to become dominant.

Let's hope that ADE doesn't rear it's ugly head, I have too many people I love who have been vaxxed.



Printlife
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Everyone at our company, ~300, gets a covid test every week. It is a saliva test which is sent out and, I think, uses PCR amplification. HR then tells everyone, all clear or how many were infected. This has been going on for over a year. For most of the year there were no infections. There were a scattered few, less than a handful.

Now, there are occasionally two infections found weekly and HR reports that ALL OF THEM are "breakthroughs".

They point out that these cases are less likely to be severe but failed to mention that they are more likely to spread for that very reason.
Oliver1655
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Oldpool wrote..

What Hitler could not accomplish the Israeli government may do on their own.

Why is that?


Because they are continuing to willingly accept medical experimentation to be carried out on their civilians. Also in spite of the tattooed identification numbers on arms and yellow stars sewn onto clothing, they are once again allowing themselves to be identified through passports etc. Although this time they are digital or paper in nature, the evil concept is still the same that led to their mass genocide in WWII.

Of all people, I would have expected them to resist this BS the hardest but they are the most willing of sheep to accept it all again. I guess some people need to relive the atrocities of humanity first hand to re learn the lesson that history has already provided.
Mjc1960
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Mid 30', no comorbidities on vent, that's scary.
Dnomsed
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*A case for VEI based on timing*

Seychelles, Mongolia, and many other countries saw a rapid surge of cv19 within and deaths around 2 months of vaccine rollout.

South Africa followed clear peaks between waves, for the first two waves. The third wave began peaky, then displayed an oscillatory back end. This oscillation seems to correspond to their mass vaccine rollout period.

*Imagine*
Mass vaccination rollout greatly reduces the natural immunity of the general population until a critical threshold is reached - reduced herd immunity - whereafter VEI kicks in, and the surge begins.

If this is true, then these booster shots may cause further general herd immunity reduction, and cause incredible harm.

They really need to just stop this bad science, and begin rolling out outpatient treatments, and monoclonal antibodies. This must happen immediately.
Tickerguy
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@Mjc1960 - And your last post is EXACTLY why I say the odds are that it IS VEI, it IS happening and it IS why we're seeing the convergence toward CROSS OVER (e.g. more vaxxed than represented in the population as a percentage) which, when it occurred in Israel, they stopped publishing the data.

The CDC DELIBERATELY ****ed with data collection in refusing to test and report on positives UNLESS you wound up in the hospital if you were vaccinated. That was INTENTIONAL and deliberately hid what is now occurring -- for a few months.

The convergence IS happening here in the US. It should be EXPECTED to, given that it occurred in both Israel and the UK, both of which were ahead of us in terms of jabbing people. It strongly suggests VEI is occurring, but does not prove it. Why does it suggest it? Because if that is NOT occurring then even as protection wanes you should get SOME protection from it, and thus a less-severe course of infection.

Only severe cases go to the ER; ergo, all you see with a survey there is those who are hit HARD. If you're not immune-compromised and the vaccines work there should be ZERO non-immune-compromised persons in that ER who are vaccinated. That is CLEARLY not happening and the percentage of vaccinated people who are getting nailed is rising rapidly.

Oscar De La Hoya anyone? Fully-vaccinated, would kick MY ass in 15 seconds in the ring, clearly in EXCELLENT physical condition, got his ass kicked by the virus and sent to the hospital. If he was UNVACCINATED what are the odds he'd have a SEVERE case? 1 in 100 or less in his physical condition? Yep. So guess what that implies?

VEI.

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Quik49
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Indeed KD, has to be.

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Susanlauren
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I am glad the editors of JAMA published the abstract in such a way as to not call attention to the implications. Surely someone on staff there understood what they were releasing. That it was published as such means it will likely remain on the public view for a longer period of time (vs memory holed and lost)

We can speculate as to how bad things will get this fall into winter. Time will tell - reveal the truth - and hopefully by then it will be obvious to all. I keep thinking to myself that the "normies" must wake up and smell the coffee. I fear that whatever the outcome, it will be the fault of the unvaxxed.

Over the weekend I had a disconcerting conversation with a friend who is vaxxed. Out of the blue he begins to talk about becoming seriously ill and about wanting to die with dignity. I am like WTH - he isn't sick (at least not that I know of). I don't want to read too much into the conversation, and I wonder if he has a sense of "foreboding". Very strange.

Slo Joe has made repeated reference to a "Dark Winter". What does he know when he isn't in the fog of dementia? And the observations of Market Ticker's resident physician are downright alarming. I would not argue the suspicions/ forecast. Fasten your seat belts folks. I think we are going to be in for a bumpy ride.
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Question: Is it proven that a Vaxxed person can spread Covid before they begin to show symptoms? I have read conflicting reports on this.

The reason I ask is because a customer of mine whose transmission I rebuilt a week ago last Friday, is home sick with the coof. He had a washer and dryer that he wanted to get rid of and I went to his house to pick them up the following Sunday morning. We loaded them together in my truck, then he followed me to my place and helped unload them. We chatted face to face for a few minutes then he borrowed my extension ladder to replace the roof on his shed. He called me last Thursday to say he would not be returning the ladder because he was isolating due to having Covid. He is double vaxxed as of mid May. He told me he got very sick on Monday, 102 fever and feels like hammered ****. Was I exposed? Not sure. I asked if I could come over and chat with him for awhile so I could be sure and get exposed, and he refused that idea. Hence my question, I am showing no signs of being sick 8 days after being face to face with a guy that was bedridden as of 7 days ago. Is it possible I have immunity or was I just lucky?

Opinions?
Tickerguy
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@Troymt - Australian tourist, fully vaccinated. Came here, no symptoms at the time, infected 60 people. Upon returning home became symptomatic and tested positive.

So yeah. I'd say 60 downstream infected people is pretty damned good evidence. Never mind Cape Cod where a ****-ton of vaccinated people got nailed (which was what caused the CDC to go back to "wear masks") and nobody, at the time the infections occurred, was symptomatic.

It is nowhere near as easy to get infected if outdoors or in brief exposure as has been claimed. But -- it's not impossible. This much I assure you however -- if you share a house with someone who is infected you're odds-on to get it if you're not immune. Just like every single parent knows as their kids bring all their "extra gifts" home from school.

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Mjc1960
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The hospitalized vaccinated group should have the virus gene sequenced, this could be yet another variant.
I agree, the trend doesn't look good.
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@Mjc1960

And yet, my beloved is unvaxed, wants to stay that way, and absolutely does not have an agenda to push in terms of "vax everyone, all the time!" She is usually the one that keeps her head down, doesn't make waves, and who the managers go to when they want something done RIGHT. She - and a number of her immediate coworkers - are seeing through the bull**** and their only agenda is to save lives and NOT push the narrative.

How would you react when after working a 13 hour shift, the head of nursing comes down to give a "Rah-rah, get the jab speech!" because they *know* that it's not our nurses who aren't vaxed, and since "only 1.6% of covid admissions are vaxed!", yet you yourself just admitted 6 patients the night prior, 2 of which were vaxed... and many of your coworkers just did the same?

If the facts were as stated, why would they lie to continually support their narrative? Hint: they wouldn't.

I am not calling your sources liars, because I do not know them nor their situations... but I do not believe their "it's all unvaxed!" stories, because that doesn't fit with reality. With as many people vaxed as they keep saying, the pool of unvaxed should be dwindling, right?

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Susanlauren
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@Troymt
It is possible you have immunity. It is also possible you were not in close enough contact for a long enough period of time and/or were mostly outdoors when you interacted with him. An indoor enclosed space will have a different impact in terms of contagion than an open air and outdoor space. If you were going to become ill, it would seem 8 days would be more than enough time for that to happen. I think it hilarious that he refused a COVID party.
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