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2021-09-06 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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I hate being right, and it's even nastier when a peer-reviewed medical journal publishes proof without realizing what they're doing, and thus doesn't make a recommendation based on the data they present.

Findings  In this repeated cross-sectional study that included 1 443 519 blood donation specimens from a catchment area representing 74% of the US population, estimated SARS-CoV-2 seroprevalence weighted for differences between the study sample and general population increased from 3.5% in July 2020 to 20.2% for infection-induced antibodies and 83.3% for combined infection- and vaccine-induced antibodies in May 2021. 

Remember the basic rule of epidemics: Herd suppression begins to bend the curve of infection at about 1/2 of the actual suppression number and widespread epidemic spread is mathematically impossible when you reach that number.

That doesn't mean a light switch is thrown and nobody gets sick.  It means the outbreaks are spotty and of no major consequence because they don't go beyond the concentrated places where immunity does not exist.

The basic formula for herd suppression is 1 - 1/R0.

Therefore at 83.3% total immunity as of May 2021 a virus with a given R0 can be computed.

.83 = 1 - (1/R0)

In other words a virus with an R0 of 5.88 or less is suppressed.

That's well beyond the necessary level to suppress Covid-19.

But it didn't, did it?  Since May we've seen a serious outbreak and screaming from everyone.

We know natural immunity works because every study of persons previously infected, where said previous infection was documented by more than PCR test, that is, medical certainty and not a BS, flawed test has shown that an effective zero persons get re-infected and, there is no evidence said persons can spread the disease either.

Non-sterilizing vaccines do not suppress anything; if you can still get and spread the virus, and we now know that is true despite the claims of the lying media, the CDC, NIH, Fauci and everyone else originally back to December and January when those false claims were used to CON people into taking jabs then until and unless you actually acquire an infection and build natural protection spread does not stop because you are not part of the herd that suppresses spread.

The JAMA study now proves that:

  • The jabs are worthless to inhibit the spread of Covid-19.  The legal, ethical and moral arguments for "forced vaccination" are now dust.  The anecdotal evidence from places like Cornell, which is taking a case rate five times that of last year despite near 100% vaccination rates, are now converted into hard, irrefutable science.  The debate on "passports", "digital certificates" and demands by employers and others to get jabbed is over.  JAMA has proved that the jabs do exactly nothing to prevent the spread of disease.

  • If you are jabbed you are just as likely, if not more-likely, to give the virus to others.  This is particularly important if the "others" are seriously medically-compromised (e.g. elderly and morbid, immune-suppressed, etc.) and take no precautions because they believe they're safe around you.  The reason you may be more-likely to spread the virus to others is that if the jab suppresses your symptoms you will not know you're sick, and thus you will have no reason to limit contact with others.  This makes the jabbed literal Typhoid Marys; an un-jabbed person who feels ill will (unless they're psychotic) self-isolate to the extent it is practical, even without a quarantine order.

  • The insistence of jabs in medical settings is now, on the science, converted from "will protect patients" to will, with scientific certainty, screw unvaccinated patients, some of whom cannot be vaccinated and thus now constitutes gross negligence and depraved indifference to human life.  Since we know that prior infection in fact confers sterilizing immunity the only rational act for health care providers dealing with high-risk patients who either cannot be vaccinated or show no sufficient immune response is to only allow convalescent, recovered health-care workers to care for them because they are the only sterile immune individuals.  To do anything else, when there is a sizeable reservoir of said persons in the community (one in five, and almost-certainly much higher as medical personnel were exposed preferentially for the last 18 months) is voluntary manslaughter or even Murder 2.

In addition the JAMA data suggests (but does not prove) that VEI (vaccine-enhanced infection) is occurring.  That is, the symptomatic and serious infections in vaccinated people may be cases where the vaccine made the infection more-serious.  That, by the way, is exactly what every other coronavirus vaccine attempt has ended in over the decades.  We, in our arrogance, believed that foregoing the several years required to make sure that ordinary mutational patterns would not lead to the same result didn't need to take place and a short, four month trial was sufficient.  We're now finding out that it wasn't after putting that risk in the arms of roughly 200 million Americans.  That was stupid.

The data is what it is.  You cannot argue with mathematics folks, and while JAMA apparently does not realize what they published and proved, they nonetheless did exactly that.  Not only did they do so the number of samples involved (nearly 1.5 million) gives excellent statistical power and a very narrow confidence band that spans less than 1% of those with said resistance.

Yet despite that fact and data, and after the cut-off date for this study's data in May the spike we took this summer did happen which, unfortunately for all the madhouse screamers at the CDC, State Departments of Health, the NIH and the Biden Administration proves, with scientific certainty, that the vaccines are worthless in interdicting both the acquisition and transmission of Covid-19, as otherwise given this prevalence as of May of 2021 the spike in infections this summer could not have occurred.

The debate is over folks.

The slaughter must end and end now; the data from JAMA is irrefutable.

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Good work, Karl. The numbers are irrefutable, and whether or not some of the brainy folks at JAMA realized what they were publishing (I suspect there were some who did), they have underlined very nicely what we have been proclaiming as the developing likelihood for months. Hoist by their own petard!

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Karl S. Denninger wrote..
The debate is over folks.

The slaughter must end and end now; the data from JAMA is irrefutable.

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Come on. Say it again with me.

This is a GENOCIDE of innocent citizens.

The Criminal Medical-Industrial Complex, ALL levels of ALL Media, and ALL levels of ALL Governments have done nothing but ponticate to the citizens while they have done nothing but lie to move this Mass Murder along.

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Sent a strongly worded note off to (jabbed) friends in Ithaca earlier today. Of course, my peers are, like me, over the hill and for many jabs are best hope totems. But still, one hopes to find a bit of larger ethical concern. Listened to a chat with a psychologist from Ghent Uni. His analysis is all about mass hypnosis. Europeans have seen it before and carry the historical memory in their DNA.

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So the argument is:

Antibodies are (were) at 83.3%.

Since antibodies are formed from two sources (natural infection/exposure) and vaccination and the level of antibodies should be sufficient to suppress covid, but we have not seen widespread suppression - then there must be something wrong with the antibodies.

The antibodies formed via natural exposure are sterilizing so antibodies formed from the other source must be faulty...

QED.

Nice, simple and straightforward. I like it. Obvious argument against it is that there could be regional variations

Are any other countries/regions that have hit similar targets naturally (ie without vaccination) to confirm the logic experimentally? I guess this would be the final nail in the coffin for the stupidity.
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The fact that Virginia Tech (or any college,worksite, school) required vaccinations, there were reportedly @200 students who "have been separated from the college", seems criminal at this time since vaccinations plainly are not working as advertised.
My church bulletin yesterday reported prayer list for several in the church with Covid who are fully vaccinated.
My entire family have been ill they are all vaccinated.
Everyone that I know that is ill has been vaccinated.
I know of several people hospitalized with unusual symptoms, who are vaccinated but were healthy months ago.
I have vaccinated friends who are denying any more jabs.
A local VA Dr. is not taking the vaccine nor are the nurses.
A local hospital worker says it is the vaccinated in the hospital.
My elderly friend went to Walgreens and CVS to get her moderna booster shots, she was told she had to have a dr. to ok the booster, gave her a piece of paper her Dr. has to sign first( i am assuming to eliminate liability.) this has caused her pause as she had no Dr. to approve her first two shots.
I hear so much more today than I did prior to vaccine.
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I was at a party yesterday with a bunch of college educated highly vaxxed people. Not my usual crowd, so I did a lot of listening when covid came up. The facts as they see them are that this can not end until the unvaxxed get jabbed, and that the variants are caused by unvaxxed. There is no mention in the conversations about data that doesn't fit the narrative. It is an amazing site to see. Sad really.
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@Jhh - Close.

Antibodies were (in May) at 83.3%. You can distinguish between infection .vs. vaccination IF you test for antibodies to nucleocapsid, since the vaccines do not include ANY coding for that. Therefore, if present, the person was infected (they may also have been vaccinated but that doesn't matter.) That number was around 20%. Ergo, JAMA claims "most protection" is from vaccination. That statement, taking ONLY from their data and assuming that the jabs work, is true.

The problem is that level of prevalence is sufficient to suppress a virus with an R0 up to nearly SIX. The original Covid-19 R0 was experimentally back-computed (which is all you can do, since after the first infection the number for Rt changes) was around 3. Delta is presumed to be near six, but there's a LOT of controversy on that; data from the UK says no, it is not materially more-transmissible (perhaps it is to some degree, but not double), but IS materially less-deadly. The second is backed up by genetic analysis and thus is presumably solid.

This means the spike we are seeing now COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED unless the vaccines don't work. Yes, you have antibodies. But, they neither prevent infection OR TRANSMISSION. Whether you get physically sick means nothing when it comes to propagation of disease; only whether you develop sufficient viral titer to spread it to others.

Thus all the vaccines CAN do is provide some level of personal protection. Nothing more. But -- the data suggests, given the magnitude of the AND the fact that's happening "off season" strongly implies that you're also see VEI out of the vaccinated; that is, the vaccine-induced antibodies are ENHANCING the infection instead of protecting against it. This is EXTREMELY bad because that, in turn, means that roughly 60% of the population will get ****ed as the seasonal factors turn against them rather than being in their favor.

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And now Israel looks to be gearing up for a 4th Jab. I guess we'll find out if the adverse events grow exponentially or not from those lab rats.
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"This is EXTREMELY bad because that, in turn, means that roughly 60% of the population will get ****ed as the seasonal factors turn against them rather than being in their favor."

EXACTLY! And what one would expect given the history of animal studies in mRNA injections (and the fact that ANIMAL STUDIES were eliminated in the run up to EUA status on these experiments.


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@Twainfan2 - What Hitler could not accomplish the Israeli government may do on their own.

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You can argue with the facts.....


And demonstrate you lack the reasoning skills to get out of a wet paper bag and that I should disregard everything you say.
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@tickerguy what specific data points to VEI among the vaxxed? Is the jab only providing protection to a small percentage of people and the rest are subject to VEI? Do you have the data to put probabilities on this yet?
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The debate on "passports", "digital certificates" and demands by employers and others to get jabbed is over.

It certainly should be, but the institutions in question are like a large ship; it takes time to turn or stop them. Worse yet, some of their captains will ignore the reports of icebergs and continue under full steam, wanting to remain on schedule.

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@Fakehustle - That we not only saw no suppression but the spike itself. This is illogical UNLESS VEI is occurring as a very significant part of the jabbed were jabbed within the last few months (within the 4-month window when they appeared to be effective in the original trials.)

We are in the part of the year when environmental factors are STRONGLY in favor of suppressing respiratory viruses. Vitamin D levels in the population are at their annual highs and UV levels outdoors are WAY beyond "nearly-instant" sterilizing levels for viral particles as well. In addition indoor A/C systems remove viral particles VERY efficiently because they tend to travel on water vapor and an A/C system spends most of its energy removing water, not cooling the air.

All of these factors disappear as we go into fall and winter, and turn wildly against us. A heating system removes nothing; in fact, many intentionally ADD humidity (more carrying capacity for respiratory viruses), Vitamin D levels fall and in winter not only does breath become condensing but people typically cover their mouths when outdoors for material periods of time but do NOT treat such coverings as the biological hazard they quickly become.

This STRONGLY suggests (but doesn't prove) that mutation has not only evaded the vaccine, it has produced VEI. If true this winter is going to be a massive ****show.

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Very interesting. Somebody at JAMA must understand what that data says, like Truth pointed out. Any analysis will be censored by the dual medias (msm and social,) so it's going to be interesting to see how/when/if this makes it into the public consciousness.

Maybe getting the numbers out there for discussion is the point of whoever at JAMA worded this so that it might not be censored automatically. Start talking about the numbers, make them part of the public consciousness, THEN spring what they mean on everybody.

*Shrug* Grasping at straws, I know.

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The new information actually is that 20% had real immunity as of May 2021. The numbers of vaccinated US citizens is well tracked. Still, something is not yet quite adding up:
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Findings In this repeated cross-sectional study that included 1 443 519 blood donation specimens from a catchment area representing 74% of the US population, estimated SARS-CoV-2 seroprevalence weighted for differences between the study sample and general population increased from 3.5% in July 2020 to 20.2% for infection-induced antibodies and 83.3% for combined infection- and vaccine-induced antibodies in May 2021.


This says that (at least for those 74% of the US population which are represented by the sample) as of May 2021, 62.1% had vaccine induced antibodies.
But as of May 30th, 41% were fully vaccinated and 51% had received at least one dose. This is as of end of May but the blood samples are from earlier dates so really the vaccine prevalence is even lower.
This is not changing the conclusion that the vaccines are failing 'bigly', and is yet another proof besides the UK and Israel data. I was just wondering how come this discrepancy. Can it be a sign of vaccinated persons shedding spikes and hence the unvaccinated producing 'vaccine'-antibodies?

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So, bottom line, they wanted to kill lots of old people and those who are medically compromised.

Holy ****. Good thing I'm slogging through chemo for the most part alone.

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50% of the population are simple. They believed the vax would confer immunity.
Many vaxxed initially had a false sense of security, this is what they were sold.

My daughter and husband are ER DOC's in South Carolina.
All patients with COVID and hypoxia are unvaccinated.
Most are over 40 years old. Most also took no measures to fight COVID.
So far the vax is keeping most people out of the hospitals. I have a niece who is an ICU nurse in San Diego and a sister who works at a hospital near Detroit who both say the same thing. This makes me question the people who I don't know that are saying the opposite.
The hospitals are full of COVID positive people, no one should go there unless for a life or death condition. There are people showing up with minor complaints sitting next to COVID positive people.

The jury is still out on ADE and OS, time will tell.
Since the vax facilitates spread rather than suppresses it, it should not be mandated.

If they let those college football games go on last year and kept the schools open, we probably would be much closer to heard immunity than we are now. I know a lot of young people who claim to have had COVID last year and they are fine.


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Whether they intended that or not @Patentleathershoes that's what happening now, and what's going to continue to happen so long as we keep jabbing people instead of focusing on early, "immediately at sign of infection" treatment.

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What Hitler could not accomplish the Israeli government may do on their own.

Why is that?


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Twainfan2--they are doing to themselves what no coalition of enemies has been able to do. Unbelievable to watch.

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Most of my colleagues were jabbed in April & May. Our employer keeps mumbling about some day requiring vaccine proof with "penalties" for the unjabbed, but that day has not yet come.

As I understand the CDC data, by late September, the "vaccine" status of my jabbed colleagues will roll off. Will they be required to get booster jabs? If not then why require any jabs?

Of course the data for the jabs is not promising at all. They are leaky and my understanding is they damage the immune system. The jabs were a massive medical experiment forced on humanity and the data is clear - more Americans have died with Covid in 2021 then in 2020. How can that be unless the jabs are ineffective, or worse they are harmful?
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Great find TG. Excellent analysis to point out what the powers-that-be go to great lengths to ignore.

Also reported in a different early August JAMA study is the fact that the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis among the unvaccinated is significantly lower. More irrefutable evidence that the jab is bad mojo. (as if TG's evidence isn't enough already)

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fu....

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The mean monthly number of cases of myocarditis or myopericarditis during the prevaccine period was 16.9 (95% CI, 15.3-18.6) vs 27.3 (95% CI, 22.4-32.9) during the vaccine period (P <.001). The mean numbers of pericarditis cases during the same periods were 49.1 (95% CI, 46.4-51.9) and 78.8 (95% CI, 70.3-87.9), respectively (P <.001).

So risk of myocarditis/myopericarditis increased 61.5% and risk of pericarditis increased 60.4% after vaccination. BONUS!

And that's only based on people who went to the hospital for treatment before May 25, 2021. How many more vaxxed folks out there have potential problems that they are ignoring (for now)?





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This makes me question the people who I don't know that are saying the opposite.


I'm sorry, but I have to call bull****. I get 3-4 nightly reports that the vaxed and unvaxed are around equal in number being admitted. I seriously doubt regional variations can account for that. What's more... The hospital in question is very much NOT tracking vax status in admissions; I'm going to go with that is purposeful. It allows the administration to blindly parrot the "Only 1.6% of our covid admissions are vaxed!" when those working with the actual patients on a nightly basis are calling bull**** themselves.

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