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Quantum
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@Jesjohn94 I think the most interesting thing about the AMA's and IDSA's statements is that they think they're discouraging the use of IVM, and to some limited degree that may be true--they are certainly providing ample cover for pharmacists and clinicians who want to deny access. But they're actually de facto endorsing IVM and destroying their own credibility in the process (AMA may not have had much, but IDSA to some degree may have previously).

In their world, what they say matters--but they seem to think they're operating in an environment where people can't access the Tokyo Medical Society's statements or the India experience (to say nothing of the Kory meta-analysis). One has to look, but that information is freely available. Judging from the IVM sales, people are looking and finding.

And personal stories matter--lots of people know someone who's gotten covid, taken IVM of some sort, and rapidly recovered (like my friend, who worked his way through a tube of pony paste and is telling everyone about his experience). No examples have been offered of IVM ODs, and if there really were any in ICUs we would know the details (and probably hear that they were begging to be vaccinated, only to learn that it's too late). That fivefold increase means there was one case before, five now, and it's all people who took IVM on an empty stomach, felt a little queasy, and were unsure and/or pressured by family to call poison control (whenever someone hypes rates of increase with no numbers, that's at least a yellow flag...and a possible sign of seriously ill intent).


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What this ticker describes is the people have been placed on the ramp leading into the Boxcar, and the people are starting to say, "Hold on now, I learned about this same event in school happening during another time in past history, and my grandparents told me about this same event happening in the past and showed me their tattoo. I'm not stepping inside. Matter of fact, I'm jumping off this ramp, NOW."

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This is the Iver I bought where I am currently living, It cost $11.00.



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I've posted this before but it's appropriate here.

My daughter has but 2 semesters remain to graduate college, has already had covid, and is facing a vac mandate. Her fall back plan was to transfer if her school did this.

Well shortly after her school instituted the mandate every school she'd transfer to did the same thing.

The school already said prior infection was not a reason for exemption.

It's particularly infuriating because her anecdotal experience is that at her school the vaxed and unvaxed are testing positive at equal rates.
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Hello:
This is the Iver I bought and used where I currently live, it Cost $11.00.

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@Luciab - No, what I SAID is that we CHANGED THE FORMULATION because of PREVIOUS problems AND with the withdrawal of the stand-alone tetanus shot basically forced that.

You USED TO get DTP as a kid. Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis. The problem with the DTP vaccine is that it has a fairly high rate of very nasty adverse effects. When Diphtheria and Pertussis were both circulating widely the balance of harms was clearly in favor of the vaccine, however.

The problem is that nobody MAKES a stand-alone tetanus shot. Since the D and P parts are typically lifetime against serious disease you are now taking the risk of serious adverse events with the tetanus booster, and incidentally the need is every 30 or so years, not even 10 for most people. If you are working in a high-risk environment (e.g. on a farm, etc) then you probably ought to hold to the old schedule, since lockjaw is no joke.

DTaP has a MUCH lower adverse effect rate. HOWEVER, it is non-sterilizing. The trade-off for NOT HAVING a stand-alone tetanus shot (there isn't one made these days) is that EVERYONE who gets a tetanus booster must take the adverse event risk of the combination shot. The DTaP vaccine, being non-sterilizing, means that the following situation can arise, where with DTP it CAN'T (because DTP is sterilizing)

1. Your 5 year old, who has been given the DTaP shot, goes to daycare. He gets the disease(s) protected against (not tetanus, since that's contracted through a wound.)

2. Your FIVE MONTH OLD BABY has not yet been vaccinated. Your 5 YEAR old comes home AND GIVES IT TO THE INFANT. The infant either gets seriously ill OR DIES! That happens because the DTaP is NOT sterilizing.

This is very rare BUT it happens. The reason we switched, KNOWING it can happen, is that because it happens LESS OFTEN than the CHANGE in serious adverse events from the shot itself. That's only true because those diseases DO NOT commonly circulate; if they did then using DTaP would be ****ing STUPID as it would kill infants on a regular basis.

THAT is the sort of decision that public health SHOULD make. That is, we use DTaP instead of DTP because on-balance it harms FEWER people. Neither decision harms ZERO people; that's impossible. If that was to change due to broad circulation of the immunized diseases then a proper assessment would demand we reverse that decision for as long as that situation persists.

I got DTP as a child and, as a result, I have *STERILE* immunity. I cannot infect your infant. But most people born after about 1990 (states switched at different times) got the newer formulation AND CAN unknowingly infect your infant.

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Luciab
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@Tickerguy. I am really afraid of adverse events so I really am worried now. I hope the Tetanus shot I got 29 yrs ago minus 5 months was a stand alone Tetanus shot because this is a hard decision to make. I certainly don't want to get lockjaw either. One of my friends animals got it and it was horrible. She could not get the anti-toxin in time. For that reason I vaccinate my animals with a CD&T Vax. I know the decision is mine to make but I wonder by what you said if my old vax was a stand alone one and could it still be covering me? It was a requirement in our state to get it before we could get a marriage license or so I was told and we complied. Life is hard and then you die, right?
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No @Luciab - Tetanus immunity does wear off, but the data now appears to be that for other than high-risk occupations and such 30 year intervals are sufficient. If you DO need a booster the DTaP shot carries MUCH lower risk of adverse events than the former DTP, which is why we use it today. NOBODY makes a stand-alone tetanus shot, sadly, so you must risk the adverse events of the combo for two diseases you do not need additional protection from.

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My last Tetanus was in 2010, before that was around 1992. In 2010, I read the paperwork, and went and looked online what all was in it. I didn't want that crap at all, but had to have it, because I got two nails jammed into my skin, though they were clean. I was tempted to risk it, but got the shot. It had already been a day since the accident.

Now I'm do again for the 10 year booster, and with society about to collapse, where you will be forced to do more labor and physical work, and the unknown of availability for a shot in the future if I let it ride, I guess I'm forced to go get the booster again.


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@Tickerguy. Thank you for helping understand things. I made a very dumb, avoidable mistake that put me in danger and now I have to suffer the consequences. Glad I have someone to ask
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@Luciab The odds of tetanus messing you up is *FAR* higher than the odds from getting harmed by the vaccine for it. Not getting a tetanus shot is ridiculously out of proportion as far as the risk/reward goes.

Tetanus is nasty, very nasty, and the odds of the shot hurting you is almost nil. It's not zero though, it's on par with any other actual vaccine.

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I didn't know that about the DTaP vaccine before I posted that last message.

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On another topic: Next time you're reading/watching/thinking about nazi germany, and wondering how so many people could have gone along with it: Just look around.

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Yep.

It's one of the CORRECT public health decisions we have made over the years, even though occasionally it screws an infant.

But for each infant screwed more than one child or adult is NOT screwed.

That's how public health is supposed to work.

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@Luciab I think to get Tetanus, you have to have a deep penetration wound. It is VERY rare in the US-- I think around 10 or so cases a year. Immunity must last much longer than the 10 years they quote... how many people are "up" on their tetanus booster?


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@boughtthefarm

the following interview may help a little with the schools. Probably not yet it's growing - natural immunity

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2021/aug....
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Damn right about "Slowly But Surely, The Stupid Is Failing." The UK government seems to specialize in failing.

The UK Telegraph published: "Up to 700,000 vaccine passports hit by NHS blunders as officials record wrong data" That's behind a paywall at https:// https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08....

Reclaim the Net published a story about the Telegraph article (https://reclaimthenet.org/uk-government-....
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Freedom of Information requests revealed that 677,331 incidents where NHS COVID vaccine records had to be rectified. NHS officials also admitted to having to delete 122,939 records because of mistakes.

The figures are likely just the tip of the iceberg since most of the mistakes were discovered when people tried to use the COVID Pass for international travel. When the passes use extends to domestic entertainment and public venues, more mistakes might be discovered.

So I wonder if the US federal government did develop vaccine passports, would they make 3.5 million errors? The US population is roughly five times that of the UK.

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Asimov wrote..
Tetanus is nasty, very nasty, and the odds of the shot hurting you is almost nil. It's not zero though, it's on par with any other actual vaccine.


Tetanus is very nasty. It seems like I cut/stab/slash myself every month outside, just due to rushing tree stakes, cleaning drains below the chicken run, etc. Damn near lopped off the tip of my left index finger with a pair of Felcos. Patience is a better remedy for me than a vax, but I had it 7 years ago when I put a railroad tie nail through my hand. I'll definitely be getting a booster in 3 years, assuming we still have them available!
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@Bluto. It is not a puncture wound. It is a lateral cut that makes a flap on my finger. The knife sliced open all the layers of skin and I can see a bit of fat and meat. No puncture. The knife was one I keep outside to cut the twine on hay bales. It is stainless steel but I often find it on the ground. Ive gotten the same kind of cut before in the kitchen but animal germs can be scary. No rust on the knife cuz of being stainless.
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Rust isn't the cause of tetanus. The bacteria is in the dirt and rusty stuff is just a good carrier for it.

Luciab: If it was me, I probably wouldn't worry about it. If I'm giving advice to somebody else, I'd tell them that if they haven't had one in the last 10 years, to go to walgreens or wherever and get the shot.

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You don't hear much talk about Sildenafil nowadays.
What's Sildenafil, well it's more commonly known as Viagra.

Seens that Pfizer came up with this drug for treatment of hypertension. Got FDA approval and it was prescribed for it's intended use. But having somewhat questionable results reducing hypertension, it had the side effect of increasing erections in men. Once this got around the prescriptions for "Hypertension" went up dramatically.

I'm sure that there are many instances where the FDA probably discounted and discouraged the use of Sildenafil for anything other than Hypertension.

But what do you know. At Pfizer's request the FDA revised the use of Sildenafil. And with that change, Pfizer enjoyed a Billion dollars in sales with the old Sildenafil now prescribed as Viagra.

So here we are today, when the FDA could put forth the same efforts regarding Ivermectin, that it did for Sildenafil. But then Pfizer would lose the billions of dollars in revenue that it now gets from the Covid-19 jab.

Money doesn't talk, it swears.

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Luciab
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@Asimov. My last tetanus shot was 28 plus yrs ago.

Reason: Typo
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Boughtthefarm- My son is also a senior in college.

He wrote a religious exemption and they approved it within 3 days.

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@ Ronniemcghee. Ronnie just a couple of things to remember. Most of us will not have the same experience, from the bad end to the not so bad end, and you will not know until it hits you.
I am just getting through my bout with the COV-CRUD. a little shaky and stronger each day. I did not have a very hard episode, nothing nearly as rough as Karl experienced. When the very first sign showed up I started taking everything recommended as well as things that maybe would help. Reckon it was enough to beat it with the PASTE, ZINC, C, D3, and Cold Fizzies. My coffee counter looked a lot like a messed-up 50 year old drug store. Had a few Amish remedies as well, pretty rough stuff!..

Yep I'm a little crazy, don't wear masks, go where they'll let me in, and never have considered the JAB. August 20 was my 80th trip around the sun. Getting out of life alive is not an option you'll not likely ever have.
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@Luciab Another consideration: The tetanus toxoid (TT) vaccine takes time before it provides protection. It must be taken before active infection. Otherwise, you may need to look into a post exposure treatment, such as HyperTET.
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@jesjohn94

It would be funny if it wasn't going to kill people. Five times as many poison control calls?! How many were there before? Dozens!

All I can say is yes I'm part of a clinical trial, that I'm running myself.
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