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2021-09-04 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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It is slowly dawning on all the different entities, including health care, that if they actually try to enforce jab mandates they're going to be screwed.  Some of this is very visible already if you know where to look.  Hospitals report "staffed and available" ICU (and regular) beds.  For a bed to be usable legally-mandated staffing levels must be present.  Beds don't "disappear" in a hospital; you don't make the building larger or smaller, do you?

Nope -- it's all about staff levels.

Well?

There has already been a contraction -- and the mandates aren't, for the most part, in effect yet.  In a few places they've fired people.  In others they're threatening to.  The problem, beyond being sued and losing, is that they can't actually make good on the threats without immediately detonating any chance of being able to help the poor bastard who has a heart attack a week later -- and people are already leaving over these demands.

Witness what just happened in Chicago.  Lightfoot mandated jabs for everyone in the schools; a large number of bus drivers quit.  Now what?  No school bus for your kids, that's what!  The city is claiming Uber and Lyft will be provided; uh huh, good luck there because, guess what -- neither mandates their drivers be jabbed!

And don't kid yourself -- those arguing that Jacobson, a USSC decision centering on smallpox from 1905, a disease with a 30% fatality rate, are flat-out wrong on several levels.

First, in Jacobson the only penalty for refusal was a one time $5 fine.  Today that's about $150.  The scope of the penalty often informs the constitutionality of the action; that which mandates your execution is subject to a greater level of scrutiny than a traffic ticket, which is approximately what the level of the dispute involved in Jacobson was.

Second, in Jacobson the refuser was criminally prosecuted and convicted; in other words he did not get a summary judgement via extra-judicial or private process, he was first tried and convicted in a court of law where he could and did present all of his evidence and experts; he lost in a judicial proceeding.  Exactly zero of the current mandates have included any such due-process protection on a collective -- say much less individualized -- basis.

But leaving aside the USSC's decision to refuse to hear cases thus far, or Jacobson at all, a take the jab or be fired mandate, if met with the middle finger by any material percentage of the workforce, instantly cripples or even bankrupts the firm in question.  If that firm is in Health Care they are liable for this, as no part of the PREP Act or any other act of the legislature I can find provides any immunity for self-inflicted destruction of their ability to provide care.

Indeed, in many states "CON" laws forbid reducing or increasing medical capacity without review of an appointed board and as such a deliberate action by a health care provider to fire staff and, by doing so, reducing capacity is actually illegal.

Now I've argued for a long time that CON laws are stupid, they serve to reduce competition, they are arguably felonious to the extent any private party is involved in them (the government can collude and otherwise violate 15 USC on its own without breaking the law but no private party can without an explicit statutory exemption) but the fact remains that such laws exist in many states and are enforceable and they constrain both increases and reductions in medical system -- including hospital -- capacity.

Next up is the last 18 months of history when it comes to various so-called "essential" employees.  A huge percentage have had Covid-19.  They were essentially compelled to risk exposure on a daily basis, especially in the medical system, and an enormous percentage of them got infected -- and lived.  Having done so they are presumptively immune.  The data is that previous infection is thirteen times as effective in preventing a second infection as a vaccine is at preventing the first one.  There is no reason for them to take any precaution at all; their risk of contracting or spreading the disease is a statistical zero.  This is clearly not true for vaccinated people who, we have learned, are just as contagious as an unvaccinated person if they get infected and, as time goes on, the vaccine wears off or is evaded by the virus (both of which, I remind you, were utterly predictable from our experience attempting vaccination against other coronaviruses) but there is no evidence that prior infection wears off to any material degree over the time we have had to look at it since this virus first appeared.

I challenge those who think infected and recovered people should take a jab, wear a mask or otherwise take any protective step with regard to Covid-19: Produce your evidence that what you propose has any statistically valid benefit to others or even, for that matter, to the individual in question.

There is none.

As for those who have not been infected the data on personal risk allocation is less-clear.  Certainly, Covid-19 can seriously injure or kill you.  But, since we now know the vaccines neither prevent infection or passing the virus on to others, and have a wildly higher hazard rate than any of the other commonly-used vaccines the equation is now entirely personal.  That is, there is no social or employment and customer-related benefit to be had and thus we are now talking about the same classification of personal choice as is packing on that extra 100lbs or choosing to engage in anal sex, both of which are personally dangerous but do not impact other, non-consenting people except, perhaps, by consuming medical system resources someone else might want or need.

What's even worse is that the so-called rare "breakthrough infections" are anything but rare and they're landing people in the hospital too.  Oscar De La Hoya anyone?  Can anyone argue that's not a man in excellent physical condition?  He was vaccinated and yet... in the hospital with Covid.  Or Jesse Jackson -- vaccinated, wound up in the hospital with Covid.  The claim that this is now a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" is flat-out bull****; oh sure, maybe it was true in January, but it isn't now.  Either the vaccines quickly lose their potency, the virus has evolved to evade them and made them near-worthless, or both.

How about Cornell?  95% vaccination rate with a mandate and they have taken five times the cases of last year.  It took a literal three weeks for the pronouncements of the administration to blow up in their face.  How could you possibly call that anything other than "worthless" and when does the administration that put said policy in place, and put every student at risk for no benefit get run out of town on a rail after being asset-stripped to their underwear and blackballed so they can't even get a job spinning pizzas -- ever.

What has remained constant is lifestyle decisions you personally made and continue to make each day.

Indeed, the data is that being morbidly obese puts 60% or more on your risk of hospitalization or death from Covid-19.  Since every single person who is morbidly obese willingly put every item of food and beverage down their own throat should we not hold them accountable for the load they are now placing on the medical system, especially since we knew this in early 2020 and they willingly and intentionally remained obese rather than lose the weight in the intervening 18 months?

If I have a right to be fat (and not be discriminated against on the basis of being fat) then I have a right to be unvaccinated against this virus since neither being not-fat or vaccinated confers a health benefit to others; any benefit, such as may exist, is mine and mine alone.

Never mind the facts on the risk of hospitalization (or worse) if you get Covid-19.  The media and government fear porn has led to stunning stupidity among the public in this regard.  The majority of all persons, whether Democrat, Republican or Independent, believe your risk of winding up in the hospital is 20% or more, and a plurality of all groups believe it is 50% or higher.  The true risk?  1-5%, depending on your personal medical status.

Our government and media has deliberately generated an aura of fear that has caused everyone to believe their risk is ten to fifty times what is true when it comes to this disease.

If you think this is some sort of esoteric argument, or it will not matter when this finds its way into court you're dead wrong.  The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that bodily autonomy is sacrosanct.  As just one example you have every right to screw another man in the ass so long as you both are adults and consent, which is why the laws related to such sexual practices across the United States in any public accommodation, housing, employment and similar have been progressively, over the last decades, struck down as unconstitutional.  Indeed just last year firing someone for being gay become formally illegal.  In short the USSC has, on a consistent basis over the last hundred years, ruled that what you choose in terms of personal risk as a consenting adult is nobody else's damned business and absent hard, scientific proof that someone else is harmed you are on extremely thin ice legally with an attempt to discriminate on any such basis.  The legal record is very clear in this regard; that which used to be able to be proscribed 100 years ago as "immoral" or "dangerous" for a particular person has been repeatedly and almost without exception greatly narrowed as the USSC has considered various cases before it.

I remind you that at the time of Jacobson the Court saw such things very differently and personal choice was much less-respected than it is today.  Around the same time as Jacobson, for example, the state legislature of Oregon passed a law allowing forced sterilization of "sexual perverts" -- aimed straight at homosexuals and the feeble-minded.  Oregon was not alone in passing and enforcing these laws.  Do you really think jabbing people was a big deal to the Supremes while the State of Oregon was cutting off people's balls due to their sexual preference?

Do you think the Judge in Chicago did not take all of this into consideration when he reversed his former ruling that an unvaccinated mother by virtue of refusal lost her rights as a parent?  I'd like to see the history on exactly why he originally thought that was a good idea, and if perhaps a little off-the-record urging was involved.  Family courts are known for hair-raising rulings and such off-the-record games but this one got reversed awfully-quickly, didn't it?  Perhaps the light went on in his head -- since the jabs do not produce sterilizing immunity to the virus and do not interrupt transmission his ruling was that one can be dispossessed of their civil rights for a personal medical, social or political decision with the boundary of impact encompassing nobody but herself.  It was likely wise to walk away from that voluntarily before he got slapped in the face on appeal.

One cannot be socially liberal in terms of what two or more adults do in their own bedroom and stand for a vaccine mandate when the vaccine in question does not prevent harboring or transmitting the disease to others.  If it did you might have a point, but it doesn't.  None of the current jabs do.  We were all lied to about that although I did point out that it was a lie at the time because the trials were never designed to prove that, and thus to claim they actually prevented disease and transmission was nothing more than speculative bull**** issued from a government mouthpiece -- and act that endangered the public because it led people to believe that for which there was no evidence and worse, caused people who could not be vaccinated (e.g. due to immune system compromise) to believe they were safe in the company of vaccinated individuals when in fact they gained no element of personal safety whatsoever.  Some of them have found this out the hard way over the last six months, having relied on that lie, and now are dead.

Further, to refuse to recognize natural immunity when, on the science, it is superior to the vaccines and does produce sterilizing immunity tags your position as not only punitive and without scientific merit it tags you as a monster worthy of expulsion and extinction of your entire family line as the next group to be targeted with such a punitive, non-scientific measure is likely to be some other non-favored political or social group.

This is exactly what those who targeted gay people for decades did, and exactly what the Taliban and Iran have done in throwing said gay people off buildings because of who they choose to sleep with and love.  And, I remind you, anything of that nature has explicitly been ruled unconstitutional in the context of employment, public accommodation or any other business endeavor.

If you support such mandates or act in any way to promote or enforce them then you are a member of the "God Hates Fags" group -- you're just picking on a different set of people.  Your position is no more defensible than theirs; indeed it is less-so since their advocacy was limited to waving signs where you demand that others lose their civil rights and liberties, means of earning a living and access to everyday life.

America was founded on the principle of individual choice and liberty.  There are indeed just boundaries on individual liberty when it comes to actions that, on actual science, put other people at unreasonable or unconscionable risk.  We prohibit driving while intoxicated for this reason, and provided you can scientifically defend the state of intoxication that presents unreasonable risk, this is within the government's power to do.  But it is perfectly legal to get ****-faced in the company of other adults within the confines of your own property, so long as you don't project anything beyond its boundaries while in an inebriated state, since nobody but the willing are in danger from those doing so.

When the science by the admission of the government, and thus not subject to dispute, is that the claimed "compelled action" has no benefit in reducing risk to others and, to the extent benefit exists it is entirely personal then there is simply no argument one can make that a mandate passes muster at any level.

Not ethical, not moral and not legal eitherThat CDC document is admissible evidence folks, and its conclusive.  It is the official position of the US Federal Government's alleged "disease control" experts.  They published it of their own free volition.

We had no right to stop gay men from deciding to have sex with each other even when there was no treatment or prophylaxis for HIV/AIDS.  We had no duty to promote same, but we also had no right to banish such persons from ordinary commerce and daily life because they put themselves at risk of a deadly disease.  Many of them decided to do so and died yet exactly nobody demanded that if you were gay and male you couldn't go watch a Broadway show, be a fireman or work in a school.  Yes, there were people who argued that but they were bigots just as those arguing for mandates are now, and ultimately they lost in court and, in some cases, were found legally responsible for damages that resulted from their conduct.

That's not because HIV/AIDS wasn't serious -- for those who got it and died it sure as hell was, and for Mental Midget Fauci who argued against using Bactrim in those people he helped shoved 30,000 of them into the hole while waiting for his "controlled trials" which, incidentally, never came -- all while pushing his "favored" drug, AZT, which in fact failed to save the life of a single person who got infected with HIV.

The reason it's nobody else's damned business is because said gay person didn't infect anyone else, statistically-speaking, who didn't choose to accept the risk.  Oh sure, they might cut their finger or suffer a nosebleed in a public bathroom and that blood could infect someone else, but statistically there was no change.

The same applies here; the vaccines do nothing to change the risk to others.  Whether vaccinated or not the risk to others is the same.  In fact by attenuating symptoms you might actually be more likely to spread the virus if vaccinated since if you do not feel ill, and thus have no reason to believe you're infected you are more-likely to socialize and spread the virus to others.  The original claim that the vaccines prevented such risk has now been proved to be false by the government's own admission; there was never any scientific evidence that this was the case as the trials were not set up to show that, and as time has gone on we have discovered that in fact there is no protection for others; all the vaccines confer is a waning and uncertain degree of personal protection.

If your boss mandates jabs he is a bigot exactly as is someone who plays "God Hates Fags."  He's also on the wrong side of science, facts and, ultimately I predict, the law.  The Government's own experts have already admitted that there is no public benefit to these vaccines as they prevent neither infection or transmission and the moment they did that they voided all "benefit to the public" arguments by their own hand.

That should and indeed must be the end of all discussion of "mandates" and if it isn't then may every entity issuing such a mandate along with all of their directors, officers and managers be destroyed, both corporately and personally, for what is nothing more than attempt at punitive action for political purpose with no public benefit whatsoever and which violate the basic principle of bodily autonomy and personal self-determination upon which all civil rights rest.

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**** the covididiot cult, and their ****ing mandates.

These folks are not going back. Not but a single mask can be seen.



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Decided to take a long weekend vacation to Highlands, NC and saw this stupid mandate to wear a mask while walking on the sidewalk,"outside".

It dumb founds me, how many people failed physics and fluid dynamics.
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I like the God Hates Fags analogy (I hadn't thought about it, but it fits). They're loathed by almost everyone (though much of that did not start until they started picketing military funerals with signs saying, "Thank God for Dead Soldiers").

It's also interesting that, while some states passed criminal transmission of HIV statutes, public health argued strongly against them, saying that victimizing those with disease was the wrong approach.

With covid, there's no effort to even establish that they're infected before denying them civil rights.
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Great post. I think they are bluffing with the mandates, as most employers can't afford to lose ANY skilled employees.

And if they aren't, you are going to have a million or more mini-tickerguys running around with a lot of time on their hands. I'm sure more than a few of those will run for office, figure out what FOIA means, start going to EVERY public meeting and demand EVERY document, etc...

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Unfortunately the stupid can't die fast enough. Wife and I had a date night for the first time in awhile last night (we've been busy) and the restaurant had a sign out front stating that any of their employees not wearing a mask were fully vaccinated.

I almost took a picture to share here but I was really just too disgusted. The cowtowing to the reeing Karens needs to stop.
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And if they start pulling medical licenses for refusing the clot shots, don't be surprised to see a lot of states change the licensing structure to make it easier for people to start medical clinics. This would be great, as it would also help bring down cost and increase competition. As long as they "practice" within state lines, the states can eliminate many of those regulations. Sort of like what some states are now doing with NFA items, telling the feds to take a hike if said items are made in the state and never leave the state.

As for the "public employees" getting threatened in states like WA, OR, and elsewhere, the court cases should be epic. If they win, those fired will get backpay and perhaps punitive judgment on top of that. And what happens if one of the fired employees gets a heart attack from the stress of losing the job? (And this WILL happen on a statistical basis, if even not related to losing their job, but can't be proven that it wasn't).

And if they lose, expect a lot of those "former public employees" to run for office. If they get lucky in wave election, they could fire a bunch of the state workers that fired them.

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@Chode75 Why not ignore the sign?

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I know someone who works at a large regional hospital.

They had to close their elective procedures wing due to several nurses refusing the jabs. The hospital lawyers are telling the nurses to sign paperwork essentially saying they are "quitting" because they refused the jab. I suspect that has to do with either future unemployment claims or perhaps lawsuits for wrongful termination.

I got myself tested for covid antibodies as I strongly suspect I got covid a month ago. Several JABBED acquittances got it and passed it to me, and I got pretty sick (but no loss of taste). I tested positive. All I did was use over the counter cold meds and it resolved in two weeks. But I am in excellent cardio health, especially for my age. TG is correct....fork-in-mouth disease is the reason we have a covid problem (among many, many others).

There is no way in hell will I EVER take a jab. I have had more vaccines than most (I had some unique jobs).....not a single one ever failed...excuse me....had a "breakthrough" infection. I stopped tracking how many people I know who got jabbed and then got covid. It's no longer surprising.

Many thanks to TG for preventing me from drinking the kool aid early on. I might have, as the onslaught of lies and pressure from all directions was truly a mind-****. Certainly the info on this blog helped me make a much more firm position in my refusal to take it and educate others, if they are not too far gone----most are. Perhaps they will eventually tire of being used as big pharma pin cushion$.



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Oscar de la Hoya (famous fighter), who took the clot shot, has not only tested positive for the China virus, but is now hospitalized because of the virus. Clown show.

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The left doesn't give a crap about the law-- to them, the law is living and breathing to suit their interests. Hell, Ruth 'Vader' Gins loved pulling laws from other countries out of her ass to justify her unconstitutional positions.

Socialism doesn't work, yet the left wants it. The jab doesn't work, mostly, and they still want to ram it up your ying.

The left now wants to deny the unvaxxed medical care. That's just the next step, after trying to destroy somebody economically.

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Yep.

And, I remind you @Bluto, he's as close to a "perfect physical specimen" as you're likely to find. I sure as hell would not attempt to fight him; he'd kick my ass in seconds.

Yet he wound up in the hospital after being vaccinated and I, who was NOT vaccinated, did NOT wind up in the hospital. We both, presumably, got hit by Delta. Yeah, it wasn't fun -- but for me it was LESS BAD than the flu I had in January of 2020, and I have the data to back that up.

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@Drifter -- Well, they can try that.

Deny someone medical care when it appears the difference between getting it and not is death and you just signed the death warrants for every single family member of everyone who was involved in that denial.

The sick person has no reason, at that moment, NOT to find said people's children and spouse and kill them all, since you just killed them with some lag time. That lag time is more than enough, assuming they can still walk or drive a car, to take out everyone involved.

It is ALWAYS true that "all but the first are free", but there are circumstances, such as this one, where THE FIRST IS ALSO FREE.

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@Dingleberry

If the company lawyers are pressuring them, the employee should ask for time to get an attorney on their own to review the documents. Make the request in writing, and get a response in writing. If the company lawyers ask you a question, turn it around and ask them a question. Again, in writing. Play their own game. The smart ones will likely back off and leave you alone. The dumb ones won't and will mistakenly write next month's winning lottery numbers on it.

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@Tickerguy Yep, and as I recall, your immune system was dealing with a nasty attack from 50+ yellow jacket stings at the same time. It is possible, perhaps likely, you would have not even noticed the China virus infection if not for getting stung at the same time.

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Exactly @Bluto.

And a VERY nasty attack it was; I measured SKIN TEMPERATURE at the points where I got hit the worst with a non-contact thermometer in excess of 102F for three straight days! The surrounding areas were normal.

Yeah, that's bad.

It's very likely that ex the yellow jackets I would have nothing worse than a mild fever and a bit of malaise for a couple of days. It's exactly the same situation as bacterial secondary pneumonia associated with flu; but for your immune system going after the influenza infection you'd never GET the secondary bacterial infection at all, as your immune system would destroy it before it could colonize.

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@Drifter Right now, the rule of law only applies to one side. With every passing day, more conservatives are realizing they are suckers if only one side follows the rules. They are going to start ignoring the "silly BS rules" too in increasing numbers.

The political ramifications of this are likely going to take us towards a right-wing Pinochet-style president in 2024. I don't think the liberals are going to like that very much, and frankly it is bad (long-term) for the country. But THEY started it and shouldn't be surprised when we elect a hard-right strongman in response to them imposing communism/socialism/fascism.

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Morning all. Karl always killing it with words. Sweeeeeeet!

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The stupid is still so strong. Far too many "influencers" are certain they hold the truth when in fact they are ignorant. Consider that at the same time you have media hosts screaming that universal vaccination is the only way to end the pandemic, you have government leaders entertaining unconstitutional law to punish "health misinformation".

It is this type of blind rage that leads to unconscionable social acts - such as executing people for witchcraft, imprisoning people for their race and flat out genocide. You would think that on the principle alone of "don't be evil" people would come to their senses and realize the demonstrably modest threat of Covid does not justify destroying lives. But no. Instead we have institutional leaders doubling down as if this was April 2020 and we hadn't learned a thing.

We have the examples of so called elite universities enforcing all sorts of superstition on their campus in order to "control Covid". Ponder the juxtaposition of so called brilliant people practicing cargo cult science.

Then there are the churches. Jeff Childers has a fantastic essay on how priests and pastors have failed their mission. He writes about how the true Gospel dispels fear. But churches, instead of challenging fear are giving license to it! He writes:

"There is a demonic spirit of fear suffocating the Earth...

The Spirit of Fear is destroying relationships and tearing the Church apart. Unvaccinated grandparents are being told by their children that they cant see their grand kids and not to come around. Bizarrely, vaccinated members of your church are fearful and distrusting of their unvaccinated brothers and sisters.

But Christians, in particular, are not supposed to fear...

Hospitals are filling up with people who are experiencing life-threatening levels of anxiety...

Unprecedented demand for procedural and acute mental and behavioral health services.

If only we had some kind of worldwide organization that was devoted to addressing spiritual problems. We sure could use something like that, for a time like this. Let me know if you think of one."

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/what-th....

A perfect illustration of what Childers explains is demonstrated by the leaders of the LDS Mormon church - one of the largest Christian churches in the United States. Last month the church issued a press release with the following points:

1. Members should wear masks and be vaccinated

2. The world is at war with the ravages of Covid-19 (another endless war, I suppose)

3. "We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders."

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org....

The third point is so illogical it is mind-numbing. Government leaders and health officials have taken many approaches to Covid. Sweden and Denmark on one side and Australia and New Zealand on the other. South Dakota and Florida and Texas on one side and New York and California on the other.

The leaders cannot all be wise and thoughtful! And now we know with certainty lockdowns and shutdowns were destructive. The policies were wrong and misguided. Yet rather then tackle the question of what is right and true, rather then help members counter the fear and fiction of Covid we have church leaders practicing vanity and kissing up to government authority.

We are living in two separate worlds and the people in Covid world are willfully blind to how the people in the non-Covid world are living. One would think the Covid world would crumble with all the evidence of normalcy in the non-Covid world. But it persists the same way the Soviet empire lasted for decades despite the obvious failings of their Communist system. Such is the nature of people that embrace lies and refuse to admit error.
Notleftjeff
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Long term browser here. Work is getting fun. We did the remote work for about a year and a half until they required EVERYONE back the first week of July. Said we did a fantastic job remote working, but by the way, if you have to isolate or have the Coof, you cannot remote work. B******S! Oh, and meetings have to be face to face.

Well they just implemented a new policy that the jabbed can now remote work if they have to isolate or if they are sick but well enough to work. Us 100% human non-GMO types cannot, which seems to be on shaky ground.

No worries. I had last fall informed them that I was burned out and was looking to leave this spring. They jumped through hoops to get me some different responsibilities. They are way understaffed, so I at some point I way either force them to fire me or walk on my own terms.
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I know the science and the stats. There is a spiritual side to this as well.

My objection to this jab rests on the doctrine of Bodily Integrity which has a Biblical foundation as follows.

All life is sacred and begins at conception (Psalms 127:3). Our bodies are God's Temple where the Holy Spirit resides. Christians are commanded to preserve our bodies as living testaments to our faith (Romans 12:1) and avoid any pollution thereof.

All 3 covid vaccines use the cells of aborted children in their research, development and manufacture at some point. That these tissues were obatined decades ago is irrelevant. Murder is murder and has no statute of limitations. The 5th Commandment is "Thou Shalt Not Kill". No matter how noble an accomplishment, if it is built upon a sinful act, it remains bound to to that sin (John 8:34).

To justify the use of these vaccines to accomplish some "greater good" is to profane the sacred sovereignty God grants each individual human being, each one made in his Image (Gen 1:27).

These vaccines contain synthetic genetic material that penetrates every cell in my body and hijacks my cellular machinery to produce a foreign and toxic protein on the surface of my cells. This is the unmaking of my Body, which is made in the image of God and a miracle (Psalms 139:13-16).

Coercing me to do this by threatening my liberty and employment is by definition without my consent and is thus an act of BIOLOGIC RAPE.

Some have looked to Revelations and believe the jab is the Mark of the Beast (Revelation) 13:16-18). Certainly wrath has come to many who have taken it! (Revelation 14:9-10)

As above, the jab is a violation of my Bodily Integrity.

Bodily integrity is the inviolability of the physical body and emphasizes the
importance of personal autonomy, self-ownership, and self-determination of
human beings over their own bodies. In the field of human rights, violation of the bodily integrity of another is regarded as an unethical infringement, intrusive, and possibly criminal.E ven Wiki sez so.

The Biblical support for this concept is clear and is the foundation for the
following:

- Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution
- Universal Declaration of Human Rights
- International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
- Nuremburg Code.


The concept of Bodily Integrity is also the foundation for respecting patient's rights to decline treatment. In fact, if your force a treatment on an unwilling patient you are committing assault and battery under the law.

Yet, in our current state of mass psychosis, all that has been thrown out the window.

Mandating the jab is so demonstrably wrong on so many levels you have to start invoking demonic possession as the motive to continue.

Or just the sheer stupidity, ignorance, fecklessness and spite that motivates way too much of humanity.














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And yet day after day every ********** that tries to keep this ****show going, keeps crying and screaming "it's a pandemic of the unvaxxed". Every one of them knows at this point they are lying their asses off, but keep doing it anyway. They all deserve to be kicked out of an airplane at 35,000 feet to see if they can fly, or slowly lowered into a big pot of boiling oil.
Patentleathershoes
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This is an excellent Ticker. People who I am arguing with (on Facebook, yeah I'm still doing what I said I would no longer do) are going to love this one.

Instead of feeling morally superior, now they will have to look at the Truth in a way that I am not good at arguing. Good they can take their attitudes and stuff them.

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"An unborn child's property rights are protected by law. His right to life is not." Ronald Reagan
Darqfybr
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Regarding Crowds at the Virginia Tech Game

https://ready.vt.edu/vaccinations/vaccin....

The rhetoric will be about the "freedoms" you can have, if you just take the !vax.

Assuming the stats aren't fabricated, it looks like 5% of students, and 12% of employees may understand the irony of freedom involving a carrot and stick.
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No Disgusted, a lot still don't know they are deluded as opposed to lying.
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