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Jesjohn94
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Interesting news. Seems like they really want to jab people but also trying to cover their ass too. Not dissimilar to the BS from CDC/FDA. The assessment of risk/reward they are talking about is based on the risks being 99% covered up in the first place.


Ministers could for the first time defy the advice of their official vaccine advisers and push ahead with Covid jabs for all 12- to 15-year-olds, after the scientific body concluded the net health benefit in vaccinating the age group was too small.

In a move that highlights a growing divide between government and scientific advisers over the next phase of the vaccination programme, ministers will seek extra evidence which may help overturn the watchdogs verdict.

In a statement on Friday, after days of speculation, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) said that while the health gains from vaccinating the entire age group were greater than the risks, the margin of benefit is considered too small to support universal vaccination of healthy 12- to 15-year-olds at this time.

Instead, the committee recommended an expansion to an existing programme of vaccinations for older children with health conditions, including heart disease, type 1 diabetes and severe asthma, increasing the eligible cohort to about 200,000.

The decision came as a blow to the government, which has in recent days both quietly agitated for a decision from the JCVI, given most schools in England have returned this week, and pointed to existing mass vaccination programmes for such children in places including Israel, the US and Germany.

However, in a tacit invitation to overrule its own recommendation the JCVI stressed that because its remit does not include wider issues such as disruption to schools, ministers could consider seeking separate advice on this, an unprecedented suggestion by the organisation.

This isnt the JCVI saying no, said a government source. Theyve said there is a marginal benefit, but as they make clear, theyre assessing it from a very narrow view.
Disgusted
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Incept: 2021-07-20

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Every time I listen to any fake news, they are crying and screaming about how many children are getting the dreaded Delta, and of course they highlight a case or two that have a bad outcome. All I see is this is good news, since very few are dying and as more and more catch it and recover, it turns into a huge firebreak. Hopefully the young and healthy will be a big help ending this insanity, as long as they don't get the jab after they have near perfect immunity and ruin it.
Susanlauren
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@Disgusted
Yes, exactly. It would be a significant fire break. But according to the official narrative, natural immunity does not exist and the only thing that matters is the vaxx. At this point, I don't think it matters the reason for the misinformation and gaslighting - be it ignorance or a more nefarious motive.

I received another post card urging all of the citizens of my State to get vaxxed. The smiling face of an internal medicine physician from a local hospital system adorns the marketing/ propoganda piece. Yeah, right. I have a message for her - she can go **** herself along with the horse she rode I on.

I believe my own lying eyes. And at this point, I truly hope she has been vaxxed herself so that she can enjoy all the benefits of this brave new experiment.
Disgusted
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Yes, Susan; the propaganda is still being rammed at everyone. I'm seeing cracks in the bull**** though. All lies are eventually exposed. When enough vaxxed get sick and realize they've been screwed and then won't take the booster. When most kids have natural immunity and the parents realize the jab won't help, I see it all crashing down. It's taking way too much time, but I can only hope that enough people get sick and tired of it all and it just ends regardless of the propaganda. I'm sure the genocidal maniacs will try to take credit for it, but it will be like Sloppy Pedo Joe saying that the Afghanistan exit was a success and most people will call bull**** on them. Just remember who these trash maggots are (locally too) that helped cause all this for future reference.
Tritumi
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@Heartlander, re Japan. Take this as speculation. Japan has the same industry domination dynamics as all other capitalist controlled nations. Same regulatory capture. Delta changed the game here entirely. First two waves were exceptionally mild, so the spiking numbers fueled panic, especially in dense urban Tokyo and Osaka.

It is of course a question whether Delta was fed by the vaccines, though I suspect not.

Brutal summer weather but with masked faces induced desire for "just make it better" hope for jabs.

Also, with the demographic here heavily weighted to the old, there is a large venerable and vulnerable cadre. Delta infections skew to younger groups, however, clear demonstration of greater infectivity.

Failure to adopt early treatment protocols have destroyed reasonable public health policy options here as elsewhere.

With autumn/winter 'flu season commencing combine the desire to get ahead of the curve of the next wave with the wrong medical intervention, corruptly penetrated through all official channels and we have here as elsewhere the ingredients for the perfect storm.

The best hope is that the population basic health profile is much higher than that in many other places. I do not expect official policy to rush early treatment options until it is far too late. Private options may have a better chance here than in the US, however, people here are followers, just as elsewhere. My wife thinks many are now deeply suspicious, and that is certainly true, but likely not enough to force major changes.

Hope this addresses your question.
Inspectrcalahan
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Incept: 2021-01-15

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Do it for the children is the new catchphrase getting pushed now. I got hit with that at church the other Sunday . I said yes I try to stay healthy for the children , I dont want to be one of the 13 k who have been killed by the vax, or 30 k with serious events . Its going to take an ornery old bastards to keep them safe in future.
Half of my grands are golden now , 2 had fever/headache , 1 spent his time off jumping on the trampoline, the baby was ill with a high fever for two days, these were all confirmed coofed. 3 more heavily exposed no test no symptoms. Only 1 had shot. For her easy peasy. Praying no long term damage.
Adult kids except one coofed and recovered with ivm protocol , one on preventative , she just cant be sick right now.
Yes ,I do it for the children . What I do for them is ,,,,,,,think.
Heartlander
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@Grumpytree

Thanks for the link to the Julius Ruechel piece. That guy is amazing. He is very good at explaining immunology for beginners. This is just a real good piece giving a thorough overview of all things Covid from start to finish for those who might not have been getting a gradual education from people like Karl.

I'm tempted to make that Ruechel piece my go-to piece for anyone who's starting to awaken from the MSM slumber and needs a solid backgrounder before they can get up to speed.
Maddmaxx
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"Have any of you seen this article?

https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/th....

Highly recommend his entry on Washington dealing with smallpox, also.
Ceiii2000
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Incept: 2021-05-17

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@Maddmaxx

Link didn't work
Dd
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+1 on Grumpytree's article!
Maddmaxx
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I actually didn't link to it, I merely quoted the prior post and the link must have been broken. But, here it is:

https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/06/wa....
Maddmaxx
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This thread seems as good as any recent ones to update the Public Health Scotland data. Just raw numbers, but: (I think this is for the last 6 weeks) 200 deaths in the vaxxed group and 134 in the unvaxxed group. I imagine this ratio is getting close to the overall ratio of vaccination in Scotland.
Maddmaxx
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Haven't been able to read all the posts the last few days but just saw this one. A story went viral claiming that Oklahoma hospitals were overrun with Ivermectin ODs preventing others from getting needed medical attention. Parroted all over the net - and then quickly debunked. Supposedly a doctor was behind the lies. if so, like that bitch in Alabama, he needs to have his license suspended.

https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status....
Maddmaxx
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Karl, was wondering if you read the Julius Ruechel article? I'm still working my way through it but, in particular I noticed he claims that there will be no durable immunity to Covid from either the vaccine or natural infection and I know you've argued the opposite. My understanding is that there has been durable immunity to the original SARS. The question would be whether Covid is different enough that it mimics colds and the flu more than the original SARS.
Tickerguy
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@Maddmaxx -- Nope. Surviving SARS patients had durable immunity over a decade later on. Perfect, no, but it doesn't have to be -- just enough that the first 10% crack at that ****er killing you is the ONLY one.

Incidentally re-infection will boost and broaden your immunity. This is why OC43 remains mostly a cold virus; most kids gets it early in their life, it does not seriously hurt them, but then each repeated exposure produces more-broad immunity and boosts what was there. When you get old and frail, and your immune system is in the ****ter, THEN OC43 becomes dangerous, but there's no way to vaccinate against it, just as there likely is not for any beta coronavirus.

No attempted vaccination against a beta coronavirus has ever produced durable and safe immunity, but there are no exceptions to natural infection doing so at least to the level of serious outcomes. Thus far, over 18 months, the data is that not only is prior infection nearly 100% effective in preventing a second symptomatic case it is sterilizing immunity as well as re-exposure does NOT produce a titer of virus sufficient to infect others.

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