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2021-07-17 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Well, I'm not going to pass judgement on this -- yet....

Earlier today the Arizona Senate held a hearing on the ongoing Maricopa County forensic audit.

But -- what is reported out of there, if even one of the allegations, which are claimed to be backed by actual facts on the ground, is true means that the election was bogus.

One of the most-damning is the claim of a large number of voters who were not registered on election day but were shown as registered in December and in fact were marked as having voted in the November election, and that number alone exceeded the margin of victory.

As a reminder Arizona does not offer same-day registration; the poll books close 29 days prior to election day.

If this allegation standing alone is true then the entire election in the State of Arizona was deliberately and systematically tampered with.  It is simply not possible for someone to retroactively vote and an unregistered person cannot legally vote, nor can they accidentally vote since their name is not on the precinct voter rolls; ergo, if in fact that poll book number claimed is accurate then the entire election is by definition bogus and it occurred due to systematic, mass and organized fraud, not individual people who didn't register in one place or another or some random error at a polling place (which does happen in all elections.)

This does not just impact the Presidency -- remember that the Senate balance was determined by this election in that State as well.  While the margin there was much larger than that for President and thus is not presumptively in question the other irregularities alleged may get to that point.

I repeat what I said before, however, at the time of the election: If Trump was convinced that he had been cheated he was obligated as the Commander in Chief to act at that time via whatever means were necessary.  He, personally and singularly, decided not to do so.

What does this mean now?

That the Trump voter's idol was a limp-dick ego-obsessed nutjob unwilling to commit when faced with what he claimed to believe was a direct violation of the most-sacred of alleged rights protected in the United States -- the right of the people to choose their representatives in government.

Without that this is not a Republic, it is a dictatorship.

Hyperbole?  What are Biden's calls for organized censorship directed by the White House of anything he deems "misinformation"?  That's wildly-unconstitutional and anyone with a shred of honesty knows that even the threat of such is justification for a revolt standing alone.

This is no different than Hitler coming across the ocean (or Xi for that matter) and seizing power.  If in point of fact Trump believed that was occurring as President he had an obligation to stop it by any means necessary, including at the cost of his own life.

He did not.

By not doing so and not conclusively accepting defeat Trump has instead placed the risk of said death on all of us.  He has made a dirty Civil War not only possible but materially more-probable in that the odds of a peaceful resignation of power from those who currently have it, if it is conclusively proved they stole it whether tomorrow or six months hence is zero.  There are a significant number of Americans who will not accept a proved stolen administration.  The form and substance of their refusal is yet to be determined but it is no more immoral or unethical if it results in an uprising of political, economic or violent means than it would be in a place like South Africa, Rwanda, Venezuela or any other place where an invasion or coup d'etat has taken place.

This series of events is akin to knowing Hitler was building an atom bomb during WWII, knowing he'd have it in two months if nothing is done and not bombing the living crap out of everything that might be housing anything related to it irrespective of potential civilian casualties, reducing it all to rubble because you're too much of a pussy to deal with the screaming that will come about civilian casualties and the potential risk to your own political or even physical life from doing so.

Then Hitler, who you allowed to continue his program and who succeeds in his goals nukes both London and Paris, taking the UK and French governments out and declares victory, challenging anyone else who does not immediately surrender with the threat of another bomb.

Had that happened we'd all be speaking German (or perhaps Japanese!) today and Israel would not exist.

Sorry folks but if this was truly believed by Trump to have happened in November -- it was not hot air out of the mouth of an Orange Menace but he actually believed it then Trump had an obligation to expose and stop it irrespective of his personal risk or, for that matter, the perceived or actual risk to the Republican Party.

The job of President sometimes includes having to make very, very tough calls.  But once you make them they're made; you can't go back and replay time.  Life doesn't work that way.  You will, at times, be wrong but when that's part of the job and when you're wrong you suck up your ego and shut the **** up, making amends when you can but accepting the personal and political defeat you resigned yourself to at the time -- whether you were right or not.

There have been times in the past when there was evidence a Presidential election was stolen.  The "declared" losing party decided they were not going to prosecute it and peacefully and quietly retired from the battle.  In some cases (e.g. Nixon) they later came back and won in the future but in the meantime they shut the **** up and told everyone on their side to as well instead of provoking what could potentially lead to widespread civil conflict or worse.  We will never know if Nixon really lost that election or not but history records that in fact he lost and thus it was never proved our Republic was, as that point, systematically and intentionally destroyed.

He made the call and that was that.

What Trump and his ego did during Covid was bad enough.

This may, in fact, be worse and if any of the allegations are true in Arizona it must be presumed similar things of equal magnitude and systemically-corrupt outcome occurred elsewhere since such a wild-eyed and systemic action can only be presumed to be nationally coordinated and executed upon.

What was the alleged statement by Franklin in 1787 when asked what sort of government the Founders delivered to the people?

"A republic, if you can keep it."

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The key phrase in your whole Ticker is:

"If you can keep it"


It appears we will not.
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Given the people he trusted, it was totally the right call not to commit. Milley is the latest to become painfully obvious - but he still had Barr at that time. Also, there was Pence. At best, Trump was a total failure at hiring loyal people.

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If you can believe some of the crap being claimed now, Gen. Milli-Vanilli was afraid of a Trump coup. The military would've refused any orders. From what we've learned, the military refused the orders to get out of Afghanistan, delaying and dithering to thwart direct orders to do so. This was "Mad Dog" Mattis.

And I think Trump was going to invoke the Insurrection Act to put down the Antifa riots during 2020, but the military (and Bob Barr) refused to carry those out as well. The Insurrection Act gives the President the power to go in on his own, without the request of the governors of the states, if said state authorities are refusing to enforce the laws and protect the constitutional rights of their citizens.

Now, me, in that case, the CinC should have directed the nearest armed federal agent in the room to arrest Milli-Vanilli and Bob Bar. And failing that, taken the first side arm in the room he could get and blown their brains out. He didn't, so that's on him.

At this point, the Presidency is just a figurehead.
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That's why the news is lying about a surge in hospitalizations. They'll attempt another round of lock downs and tard rags if the audit report draws too much attention.
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I saw some of the video from that hearing. Quite a few people registered after the october deadline it seems. They claim there were 74,000 ballots mailed back in with no record of them having been mailed out (which could easily be just a recording error or missing paperwork). They also showed how a number of ballots were on the wrong kind of paper and votes bled through to the other side (again could be that they printed them onsite as they ran short on election day). They still haven't gotten the routers either but they did show that the registration server was compromised and that it was trivially easy to hack the AZ election system.

Tucker Carlson covered some good info on the GA election as well. Stacks of supposedly mailed in ballots that were never folded. Trump screwed us all by not going all in on this before Jan 20th.
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Something tells me a lot of people are going to eat crow on this one.

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Nothing to argue with here.

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@Lamarth -
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Given the people he trusted, it was totally the right call not to commit. Milley is the latest to become painfully obvious - but he still had Barr at that time. Also, there was Pence. At best, Trump was a total failure at hiring loyal people.

Entirely possible that was the right call but then you shut the **** up, tell everyone else to ****ing stand down and that you lost.

That's the point of the article. By continuing to not only allow but encourage this crap on a continued basis he is now the cause of said civil conflict if we get one -- he's personally responsible for it.

Nixon, I remind you, almost-certainly DID have the election stolen from him. He was unwilling to commit as well, and he recognized that there was only one correct course of action available to him that was even remotely-defensible if he did not commit: Tell everyone to shut up, go home, and that he lost.

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Isn't there a third option?

wait until the hype machine winds down, as shown, the Dems were expecting just that, Trump to act immediately, and were prepared, we can see this in the Jan 6th PR fiasco.

either way it was going to go hot, but now you have given the fullness of time to come up with solid proof as well as let joe and the Ho **** up a zillion times in short order. Let some fence sitters that may have not come around think about things for a while, let some that voted for Biden feel betrayed and dismayed.

I doubt that anything will happen, but if it does, which side do you chose?
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Trump, is still publicly claiming fraud, stolen election etc. etc.

So hypothetically, how would they hold a "new election", what is the process?

Could this just be more bull**** to appease, a certain group of people.

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There were Senators and congressmen questioning the certification on Jan 6th, raising vote integrity concerns. This was interrupted by the "insurrection". Who would have wanted that to happen?
Trump had no allies in Washington, what a snake pit.
I believe Barr was sent in to gracefully back out of the failed Mueller fiasco.
Then run interference until the clock ran out.
The best Trump could accomplish would be martyrdom.
We live in a panopticon, surrounded by a wall of propaganda.
Gender, race, religion, covid. The people are splintered and confused.
We will see if anyone makes a stand at forced vaccination, it is coming.
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@Rickylc - Bull****.

Trump had no intention of doing jack and **** on January 6th. That's the problem -- he's a limp-wristed, limp-dick pussy.

January 6th was too late and what he did there was ****ing stupid. That's the problem with Trump all along; he's a ****ing showman without a single nut in the sack.

I remind you that all the way back to 2016 this has been demonstrated as true. Literally on the NIGHT OF THE ELECTION the pledge to **** up the medical monopolies and FIX IT disappeared off his web page. THREE SEPARATE BULLET POINTS which formed a central part of his campaign disappeared while I was sitting in a bar in Pensacola watching the returns come in and were NEVER SEEN AGAIN.

The man has a rope in his ****ing pants; he loves to threaten and bull**** but when its HIS ASS on the line he simply won't do it. The man is a pussy of the highest order. I've met plenty of people just like him over the years and know how to go up against them in business and shave a great big mohawk right down their heads.

Such a person has no business being President.

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@ Tickerguy "Without that this is not a Republic, it is a dictatorship."

Truer words have not been spoken.

It is clear that Xiden and gang are trying to put in place their own dictatorship with their collusion with Big Tech to shut down free speech and with Xiden's hyperbole over the Jan 6th riots, misinformation and voting rights. If their is not a serious snapback towards the right in the coming midterms we are ****ed.
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...if it does, which side do you chose?


@Rickylc, at this point #TeamPopcorn.
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What should come of these audits are strong laws insuring vote count integrity.
Somehow, from the bottom up, we need representatives who are not swallowed by the machine.
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@Shadowmask. Agreed. Team popcorn as all sides are totally ****ing worthless. And thats what makes the coming conflict so ****ing ugly. Its a war of all against all. How ****ed up is that?

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@Tickerguy, I agree with your assessment of the man, not trying to say he's some ****ing genius or a good leader, he has already proven otherwise, as you so eloquently state.

But the question remains, should this be pursued, and precipitates CV2, which side would you stand on. Not asking you in particular, but the need for a choice may materialize.
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..."we'd all be speaking German". Was its so schlimm an Deutsch? We're still being propagandized 80 years after the beginning of the second world war. Hitler, in his mistaken belief that not prosecuting the war against Germany's English cousins would make them more amenable to peace, gave the Wehrmacht stand down orders for a couple of days at Dunkirk, allowing the British to escape and live to fight another day.
Regardlesss of Trump's being a feckless nincompoop and carnival barker, America is headed inexorably for a day of reckoning. No country with interests and groups as disparate as America has can exist long term. We are accelerating down the road and the brick wall isn't moving.
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That Trump saw politics as a reality TV show allowed him to become the reality TV show winner in episode 2016.

That Trump never could grasp the principle of Constitutional law and that there are absolute truths the government must live by made him the reality TV show loser in 2020.

I would gladly choose the Entertainer in Chief over the Communists who are in charge. But Trump was and will always be a fools bargain. Trump's self restraint in the face of government lies did allow him to survive the Mueller investigation. But his self restraint in the face of all the government lies made him just as complicit in those lies.

I hope for the 2020 election scam to be revealed. I hope for the Biden administration to be investigated for its abject dishonesty and lawlessness. I don't care what happens with Trump. He had his chance to take a stand for truth and he wasted it.
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If their is not a serious snapback towards the right in the coming midterms we are ****ed.


TINWWAVOWOOT.

There is no way we are voting our way out of this.

Repeat until understood.

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I hope for the 2020 election scam to be revealed. I hope for the Biden administration to be investigated for its abject dishonesty and lawlessness.

Who will do that investigating, who can compel the production of anything from said Administration if they say "nuts!" and what's to come?

See, that's the problem and it's why Nixon said "nope!" when he got cheated. And the evidence IS that he got cheated. He knew damn well what was risked by not declining to engage, but the decision, once made, was made.

Trump simply refused to do that and still refuses to this day. That's not just bad, its catastrophically bad. Real life is not a TV show. Trump, like so many other people who acquire wealth whether by fair means or foul, believes his own press.

Puffery is part of the game when you're engaged in business but as soon as you believe your own bull**** you're in trouble and asking to get it straight up the ass.

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I agree Trump did not live up to his promises.
Name a president who did.
This place is owned and operated by a politburo.
The US brought hundreds of Nazis to the US to work for the deep state after WWII.
The Bush family has deep roots with fascism.
We have a carefully crafted two party system that obscures the reality.
Read my lips, no new taxes.
I feel your pain.
No nation building.
Hope and Change.
Make America Great Again.
Build Back Better. Globalist fascist commie agenda.
I am black pilled, but drawn to the hopium.
If Trump shut up and folded Nov 4, the deep state would have run the table without a whimper, as usual.
At least it is being exposed for those who wish to see.
Look at how the witch hunt continues.
Trump must be the cleanest businessman to ever live other than Tickerguy.


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This is exactly what happened. And, it's been what some of us have been telling you -- based on on the ground knowledge directly after the fact -- happened.

Trump refused to seize the moment and do what needed to be done. That was my assessment at the time, nothing has changed. No assertions of XD Chess changes or excuses that lack of seizing the initiative at the appropriate time. While one can apply military strategy to business, a business strategist does not necessarily a military strategist make. And, that situation required (but was lacking) a military, maneuver warfare mind.

So... we have what we have.
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Yep.

In business one can bluster, bull**** and threaten, and ultimately sue.

In politics it doesn't work like that, just as in war it does not work like that either. You cannot sue once someone nukes your city or invades it, murdering the men and children while raping all the women. The men and children are dead and the women were raped; that can neither be compensated against or undone.

Politics is often called a blood sport for good reason. There are certain bridges that, once crossed, are always burned, and they get crossed on dates certain. There is no procedure in the Constitution to un-**** an election that gets certified and the EVs delivered to Congress, voted upon and accepted. This is exactly identical to a war; the troops land, they take the geography and what they burn, loot and murder is burnt, looted and murdered. Suing is pointless beyond the point that the troops do their thing.

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