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2021-07-14 09:21 by Karl Denninger
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Oh look, backlash.

On June 25th, Fiscus asked about reminder postcards that were scheduled to go out to teens who had received a first dose of the COVID vaccine and were due to receive a second.

State epidemiologist Dr. John Dunn answered: "Hold all program communications about immunizations until further notice."

Do you know why?

Because Fiscus decided to trumpet the so-called mature minor doctrine and thus not require minors to obtain parental consent to get the Tard Shot.  She also had TNDOH running paid Twitter ads aimed directly at minors which is a wildly inappropriate act.

Problem: Said minor, if they had an adverse event, obligated their parents to pay for the adverse event up to and including permanently obligating them to care for said person for the rest of their lives.

This could trivially destroy said adults both personally (through loss of their child) and financially without them having any input into the process.

An adult, of course, is free to make such a decision and eat the consequences, up to and including death or permanent disability.  Given that Johns Hopkins now publishes an online calculator and has since December of 2020 that makes clear the risk of death from Covid-19 is lower than that of the jabs by a factor of 10 or more for people who are not seriously compromised medically as an adult if you decide to get jabbed and lose the bet that's your problem.  Yes, the odds are low but when the odds are 10x lower you'll get killed by the infection itself, with zero long-term data on those risks which are in addition to immediate, short-term death on nothing more than mathematics taking the jab is stupid.

Further, it is now clear on data from Israel that if you were previously infected you have nearly seven times less risk of being re-infected than if you get vaccinated.  This in turn means the shots are worthless in previously-infected persons, wildly unethical and administering one constitutes gross malpractice because there is no possible benefit and only risk.  Any medical treatment of any sort which cannot confer benefit but has, as do all treatments, risk is by definition of both ethics and law improper and under long-standing law is cause for termination of one's medical license.

You have the right, as an adult, to engage in behavior that might seriously injure or kill you.  You can cave-dive.  You can skydive.  You can have unprotected anal sex.  You can bicycle without a helmet.  You can make medical decisions that are irrational on a cold, statistical basis of mathematical risk assessment when you have other alternative courses of action available to you because you are scared or because you are stupid, just like you have the right to do all manner of other things and potentially ruin your life.

That freedom -- and the consequences, for good or bad, is what being an adult is.

But no state agency has the right to coerce, cajole or lead minors to do something that is demonstrably stupid on the arithmetic and stick the parents with the cost when the bet goes bad.  State agencies, when it comes to mandates, coercion or cajoling people, especially minors where the person in question is neither personally or financially responsible for outcomes, have a duty to NOT engage in pressure campaigns where the underlying statistical risk of harm calculation for the person in question is negative, as is clearly the case for Covid-19 vaccines in virtually all minors.

That the legislature threatened to destroy the TNDOH for doing that is not only appropriate they should follow through and do it since, in point of fact, the State did inject many minors, did lie to everyone about the risks, did repeatedly claim these jabs are "safe and effective" without evidence and in fact in the face of contrary evidence, which has continued to develop and should be dismembered along with the Governor's Office with the ashes of said agencies scattered to the four winds.

Incidentally HPV is another one with a personalized risk:reward profile; while it is clearly a serious condition (and can cause cervical cancer) it is only contracted through sex.  Yes, some people do get raped so it's not all consensual but in the 99th percentile infection occurs due to consensual adult conduct.  Again, while the shot for it is reasonably safe no medication is 100% safe.  There are young people who intend to and do only sleep with one person in their life where both are virgins when they do so, and thus their risk is only from criminal sexual assault.  As such the decision to take this shot should be made by someone who is mentally competent to do so and only when they, and only they, are personally and financially responsible for the adverse effects, if any.  GBS is associated with the HPV shots and can result in life-long disability.

Is that shot worth the risk?  That's not someone else's decision to make unless they willingly accept the risk of life-long support for said person.

No  person, especially not the government, has a right to cause by their own hand the obligation of another for said support.

That is the problem with the so-called "mature minor" doctrine in this case whether the jab be for Covid or HPV -- or anything else for that matter where the benefits and harms calculation to the person receiving the treatment is not clearly and convincingly positive by an enormous and indeed irrefutable margin.  Until and unless the law makes clear that invocation of that doctrine, which must be confirmed by the minor in question, is an emancipating event which is clearly explained to said minor and accepted in writing the government has no right to invoke it whatsoever and anyone doing so should be run out of town on a rail and then hog-tied to said rail to await the next train.

They are monsters and have no place in peaceful society.

Period.

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You have been on a roll with some excellent articles on the insanity surrounding covid. Thanks for helping keep me sane. Knowing that there are others who are informed and resisting this covid nonsense is good for my mental health!
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How many minors have they vaxxed under this mature minor provision? And how many developed serious adverse reactions?

I am willing to bet something happened to a kid (or multiple kids) and that is why the state legislature is hot.
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Yep @Susanlauren.

I do not have the numbers but there HAVE been a couple of high-profile kid vax disasters. So far nothing has broken into the news about them being stabbed without parental consent, but if its happened you can bet the legislature knows about it.

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I can understand the situation where there is child sexual abuse (or other abuse and neglect) by a family member and Child Protective Services would provide health care to a minor but not inform the parents - especially if a parent is perpetrating the abuse. But there would be a criminal investigation, involvement of the court and due process. But this ... Oh no. Hell no.
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Oh yeah they ran Twatter ads aimed at KIDS a couple months ago trying to directly reach and stab them. That's what set the legislature off.

As well it should have.

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This is just Evil. These kids have no risk of the virus and as a society you don't risk your kids to protect the elderly already at the end of their lives.

Actually it is very common in traditional cultures where the elderly voluntarily die once they become a burden. For instance in Inuit culture the elderly would commit suicide from exposure.

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This argument should apply to the insanity of "letting children pick their own gender" and undergo surgeries and hormonal treatments that permanently alter them - without the parents notice.

It also applies to allowing minor girls to obtain birth control or abortions without parental consent.

This "mature minor" argument is used by adults to coerce children that otherwise under the law cannot make any other legal decision (enter a contract, buy a gun, enlist in the armed forces) perform acts that usually cover up or enable the psychopathology of the "adults" in the room.

And the financial and custodial sequelae of allowing minors to make these decisions falls on the parents that were excluded from the decision making in the first place or on the taxpayers if said decision bankrupted the parents.

We get so outraged by this direct abuse of the kids that we forget about the broader costs to society. Excellent point.

Monsters? No, demonically possessed.

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We are dealing with a sick, decaying and dying society. On all sorts of levels. Totally bankrupt. None of this ends well. And Blackcrow, you are spot on. I wish I could give you 1000 up votes.
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Karl - through your twitter page I read some of the twitter feeds that you retweet.

Despite it being painful, I read the follow up replies, like those for tweets from Tennessee Stands, some of the Covidiot-Cultists that reply, well, it is clear that there are plenty of monsters waiting in the wings.

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I like veal

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Somewhere on this page, there is a liability disclaimer. Fitts has experience with vaccines screwing people for a long time. They could wipe out millions.

https://home.solari.com/

This is not being disclosed on any of these shots. Isn't it time to put some kind of liability on these bastards? The employers, school boards and others?

I have never figured some of this out. If you sue the government, indirectly, you are suing yourself. Same when stockholders sue the company. There has to be some way to sue the ****ers who did the screwing.

The fraud behind these shots is massive. Anyone pushing these jabs on TV have to be charged with gross negligence, ignoring the truth, for a goal. I don't believe the no liability nonsense should hold up in any court with what is currently known about the shots or the disease. The time to stop was at least 120 days ago and everyone who went on TV over the past 90 days, organizations like the NEA and others should be sued down to the last dime of their Members. We have a government gearing up to go after the opponents of the party in power. This is Third Reich stuff and so is the push for these shots.

KD published information the flu shots have been totally worthless. How much damage have they done people over the past decades? How about jabbing babies with Hep B near birth? How many trillions are we going to shovel over to them under this witchcraft?

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You know, they won't allow minors to do a lot of things. There are studies people don't have the brain development to make good decisions well into their 20's. I think in the US, it is now not permissible to make a good decision, based on the fact people are now being brainwashed to the point they don't know up from down. Democrats want to give 16 year old's the vote. Put them in the NAZI NEA schools then tell them to vote? We don't have long, before this is a pile of rubble. Toonz the cat has been given the keys.

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My ignorant and dumber than a bag of hammers family came down hard on me a couple years ago about that HPV vaccine and the fact that no way on God's green earth would I let my son get it.

Very good comparison KD.

My gold-digging step bitch admonished me about that when it came up in conversation during a family dinner. This was 2019. Quite some foreshadowing to say the least as she came down hard at the dinner table this past xmas about the c19 death stab all because her sister is a nurse at the infamous Houston methodist hospital. Of course the rest of my ****head fam piled on.
If anyone in y'all's families are in opposition to your desires over this bull****, cancel them. It is easier this way. Trust me! I don't look forward to the next year or so when all of them start dropping dead but as Karl always says.... play stupid games; win stupid prizes. Good riddance is all I think at this point and thank goodness my beloved and learned son and I are 12 hours away from those ****sticks.
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It used to be that families were divided by religion or politics. COVID and the death vaxx have provided the perfect storm of both religion and politics all wrapped in a neat and tidy package.
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Every where I look I see screaming about the delta variant. I really cannot take it anymore. Go look at the CDC data of hospitalizations and death that KD posted in the previous article.

Yeah, real emergency. Who cares if you get the sniffles or even the flu. And don't give me that long Covid excuse. Get yourself Ivermectin and this thing is over.

BTW, I seriously doubt vaxxed folks are going to start dropping like flies. I do think it will shorten lives but it won't be obvious why.
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Well here we go. I just saw this posted on Twitter and wanted to verify in the video itself on Youtube.

The video is entitled Vaccines and Related Biological Products - Advisory Committee - 10/22/2020 BY THE FDA itself. Note the date.

Here is a slide that the guy flew past, literally in a second. Here's the screen shot for proof. Zoom in on the slide. Read it and weep.

I cannot figure out how to include the youtube link here so just search for it in youtube to see the video.
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Yes, as an added bonus they have been able to rip apart friends and family with this engineered "pandemic". I hope ALL involved pay the price - somehow, someday.

I often see what I assume to be parents out with their kids and often it is only the kids who are masked. I wonder if it's because of the "rules" regarding vax status or if it's really because they've messed up the kids so badly that they are literally afraid of either getting or giving covid and just brainwashed into thinking the mask protects. It's heartbreaking either way.

@Cheetah9 - ****stick - one of my fav words :)
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@Cheetah9. I would tell all concerned go **** themselves. Then I would follow up with a cheerful "have a nice day."
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Does the calculator still work? I get "unexpected error, try later" (It loads but fails when I hit "finish")

Reason: failure point
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Still works for me.

May be your firewall or other software; it is running on a non-standard port.

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@Winesorbet Is this the slide you're looking for from that video?

(assuming this site allows me to UL it...)

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@Winesorbet: Got the screenshot and grabbed the section of the video containing the "rushed by" slide.
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At least they were honest accurate and didn't use the term "side effect" in that FDA slide, since death IS a permanent outcome.

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