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2021-07-14 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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You have two choices:

  • Risk Covid-19 infection.  Do what you can to blunt and prevent it up front.  You may be resistant (80% of the population was and is) by cross-reaction, but there is no cheap and available way to know, nor to quantify how resistant; it could range from "immune" to "will get sniffles" to "will get a mild flu."  If you get infected anyway then choose to either (1) tough it out and do nothing or (2) hit it immediately with drugs that we have decades of data on -- they may do nothing or they may help but the odds are overwhelming that they will not kill you.  Either way, once you get infected you have a measure of immunity.  This is what everyone has done with every respiratory pandemic in history up until this one, except that until the last 30 or 40 years there were no early treatments at all, so "tough it out" it was.

  • Take a lightly-tested shot.  With that option you get some measure of immunity.  However, the usual testing for adverse effects was truncated severely.  There was no, for example, sample group of 1,000 where everyone got blood drawn and a panoply of tests run every few days for a couple of months to gauge immediate adverse effect impact.  The usual dose-ranging studies were truncated, so whether you really needed the "full dose" or a quarter of it would do the same thing is unknown, and whether the adverse effects were more-severe with a higher dose is also unknown.  Pharmacological distribution studies, also part of the usual testing paradigm for a drug, were either not done at all or not published, so where the shot accumulates along with its products were.... unknown (now known due to a leak of a paper out of Japan, and it's not good.)

The claim, made without evidence, was that the immunity provided by the second choice was at least as good if not better than that provided by the first choice.  There was zero scientific evidence for this; that statement was a bald-faced lie intended to induce you to do something that was, on-balance, known to be dangerous simply because we deliberately did not take the time to find out.

There is now evidence emerging that the second choice is wildly dangerous.  Emerging evidence is that six in ten jab recipients in a small study have elevated clotting indications.  For comparison in healthy adults about 1 in 10 has an elevated level in this test without showing pathology.  It is very likely this is not harmless but at present we have exactly zero data on how dangerous that elevation will prove over time.  I note that clotting disorders of any sort are the kind of thing that produce both heart attacks and strokes, and if you are diagnosed with this under ordinary circumstances doctors get real worried about what might happen either immediately or in the foreseeable future.  We didn't know this up front because we did not look but it correlates with the examples of sudden stroke and heart attack that are being occasionally reported soon after getting the jabs.  Is the risk immediate and then over?  We don't know.

Myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, is a serious condition now associated with these jabs.  It occasionally shows up in people as a result of viral infection.  It is now showing up at a significantly elevated rate after taking the jabs, especially in young men.  We do not know why.  We do not know why because, once again, we did not do the work early on to detect troponin and d-Dimer elevation during the early tests.  This work was not done because it takes time and it was most-important for TRUMP and BIDEN to both start jabbing people immediately and then for both, along with Governors and State Health Department officials, to coerce people by lying to them about safety and claiming that these jabs were in fact tested and known to be safe.  So-called "private entities" including businesses and colleges jumped on the bandwagon.  Note that neither private firms or colleges are immune from suit for getting it wrong; the drug companies are but not educational institutions or employers, including medical employers.

If in fact the jabs were superior in their immune response to natural infection the risks might be worth it although this is properly a personal decision.

But we didn't know that the immunity conferred was equivalent or superior either, once again, because we intentionally did not take the time to find out.

Now we know the answer to the question:

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.

Natural infection is almost seven times more likely to result in actual immunity than vaccination.

In other words taking the shot is grossly inferior and thus deploying and using them, in other than very high persons where the odds of a bad outcome from natural infection is extremely high, was stupid.

Further since you can cut your risk of a bad outcome from natural infection by some amount, likely around 2/3rds or better if you hit it hard and immediately with inexpensive drugs then natural infection even more wildly superior to the jabs and, simply on the math.

In short with early treatment even in seriously morbid people the jabs should have never been deployed as they were the wildly inferior choice and this assumes that they have no adverse effects at all -- which we know is not true.

In other words greed and speed produced an outcome that has and will kill people.

Oh, and if you were already infected and took the jab then you got nothing at all as your existing immunity is vastly superior to whatever the jab might have been able to confer.

Congratulations fools, you rode the short bus and now, if you got jabbed, not only are you stuck with whatever damage was done to your body, which may be very significant and permanent, you got inferior protection that is wildly less effective or, in the case of someone previously infected you got nothing protective out of it as well.

Do stupid things, win stupid prizes.

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Chiff
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Strange that I can't find any jabbed humanized mice studies that should have begun as soon as the EUA was given. Not even from independent labs. Unless I'm looking for them in the wrong places.
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Wow, 6 in 10? That is insane. If that number holds over a larger sample size, would that mean that the risk of stroke/heart attack is also 6 times greater and thus we might see 6 times as many heart attack/stroke deaths as well?

There are also some reports out that jab immunity wanes after 6 months or so.. leading to the need for boosters. If that's the case then the jab was never worth it for practically anyone. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the jab only gives immunity to the spike protein and not the actual virus correct?
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Why is there not an immediate requirement by their employers that all government workers fed, state and local are to receive all doses of the vexxine?

Problem solved overnight.

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Logic and math seem to escape many of the people I interact with, nevertheless, some of the more aggressive family and "friends" are about to be recipients, anonymously in some cases, of this outstanding post.
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Most people don't calculate odds or make safety judgement calls. Their decision making process begins and ends with what ever their doctor or fear porn tells them.

Women especially do this. Outsourcing health decisions to anyone but themselves removes personal responsibility. This shifting allows them to not feel bad about their poor health and obesity. It's not THEIR fault, it all just happens. Is what it is.

It doesn't surprise me at all when SMRT independent women fall for the tard shot.
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Southern Nevada health officials sounded the alarm in June over a cluster of breakthrough cases of the coronavirus delta variant among vaccinated employees of a Las Vegas hospital.

At least 11 employees of Sunrise Hospital and Medical Center tested positive for COVID-19 after attending a party on June 7, according to Southern Nevada Health District emails obtained through records requests by the Brown Institute for Media Innovations Documenting COVID-19 project. The emails, which were shared with the Review-Journal, indicate that eight of the employees had been fully vaccinated in December and January, meaning that the virus had broken through the protection of inoculation.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/life/healt....
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The only solution to these breakthrough cases is MOAR SHOTS MOAR OFTEN.

Disagree? Shut up, science denier.

(Fine example of gaslighting.)
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Karl, this simple coupling of words you have here is brilliant: "greed and speed"

It encapsulates everything that is wrong with the country's Covid response.

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@Chiff
They decided to use sheep(le) this time instead of mice.
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But...but...but...turn on any mainstream news and it's all fear porn about the Delta variant rampaging through those evil states with lower vaxx rates. The good blue states are doing so much better because their sheep took the jabs at +70% rates...so goes the narrative.

Fear porn has reached epidemic levels but living in the liberal bastion that I do nobody questions the narrative around here. Quite frankly, if a sizable portion of this City would fall over dead from taking the jabs I wouldn't shed a tear. They bought the bull**** hook-line-and sinker.
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so, if the 6/10 is say even 3/10 for a much larger population, and the effect showed up later, say after 1-2 years, then we could see an increase in clot related dis-ease. It would be good if these are tracked along with get the jab or not. That way we could see if there is any signal in the data related to clotting disease and getting the jab.
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Speaking of vaccine overdosing, it has now been admitted only a quarter of the mRNA dosage is enough. Of course, that's just a nicer way of saying that "we've been overdosing you by a factor of four". Instead they are framing it as "we could have vaxxed so many more brown and black people!"

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-0....
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A little bit of coronavirus vaccine goes a long way towards generating lasting immunity.

Two jabs that each contained only one-quarter of the standard dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine gave rise to long-lasting protective antibodies and virus-fighting T cells, according to tests in nearly three dozen people1. The results hint at the possibility of administering fractional doses to stretch limited vaccine supplies and accelerate the global immunization effort.

Since 2016, such a dose-reduction strategy has successfully vaccinated millions of people in Africa and South America against yellow fever2. But no similar approach has been tried in response to COVID-19, despite vaccine shortages in much of the global south.

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The stupidity is extreme. Dr Malone said Moderna essentially pulled the dosage out of their ass, but the dose of the antigen is up to how much your body produces. This injection campaign is based on horrific flaws.

There is no credible emergency. No need for an EUA.
This "vaccine" is non-sterilizing and can not create herd immunity.
There may not be a safe dose of the toxic spike protein.
There are now multiple proven treatments that can utilize the word safe without it being a big lie.
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Wow, 6 in 10? That is insane. If that number holds over a larger sample size, would that mean that the risk of stroke/heart attack is also 6 times greater and thus we might see 6 times as many heart attack/stroke deaths as well?


Current annual death rates due to cardio vascular stuff is around 650,000. If this rate for the vaccine carries over into deaths, expect that 650,000 to balloon to nearly 4 million per year. This is in addition to all other causes of death. Right now the birth and death rates in this country are nearly balanced. Increasing the death rate by an additional 3.3 million per year translates into a population decline of 3 million per year. Given what limited knowledge we have of these shots on fertility, its possible the birthrate could drop a million per year. Annual population decline will be 4 million, YOY into the indefinite future.

Given that most of the rest of the world (excluding Africa) has fertility rate lower than the U.S., the rest of the world will experience similar depopulation.

This is the real depopulation. You guys were expecting an SF style die off over, say, a 3-5 year period. The reality will be a more drawn out, but equally inexorable, depopulation occurring over the next 30 years.

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Karl, where is the study citing 6 out of 10? I may have missed it. I'd love to give it a read if you have a link to it.

Anecdotally, I have a good friend who is in his early 60s and remarkably fit for his age. He knows of 4 men in their early 60s (all fit and part of his workout crew) who have died of strokes over the past 3 months. All were jabbed.
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So if you take the VAERS data at face value (and the number of 9000 dead from the jab is almost certainly light) over the number who have received the first jab (184 million) you get a probability of dying from the jab of approximately 1 in 20400. Compare that with the probability provided by the Johns Hopkins calculator, of dying from Coof-19 which for me was 1 in 2.5 million, and it makes the decision pretty simple, doesn't it?

BTW I wonder why it hasn't seemed to occur to anyone to ponder why it's -19 and not -20.

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Needed this a few minutes ago while dealing with someone with poor research skills to whom I shared Karl's recent post. Likely not new information to this group but thought I would tuck it in here even though somewhat off topic:

"How Google and Wikipedia Brainwash You"

https://off-guardian.org/2021/07/12/how-....
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Thanks for the link. I just read a book called "Surveillance Valley: The Secret Military History of the Internet." It describes DARPA, ARAPNET and other government operations that have now become the Internet. I look at Google, FB, Amazon, etc. as basically extensions of the .gov, especially DoD.
We've all seen how Big Media and Big Tech promote the party line on Covid and the vaccines and censor alternative viewpoints. I'm shocked by how many people I know have no clue about this and think what they see on TV news is actually true.
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MeanWhile..

ICYMI

COVID-19 infects about 100 vaccinated crewmembers on HMS Queen Elizabeth Warship.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/covid-19-i....

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@Robackrman

What an important article. Thank you for linking it.

This passage seems very pertinent in the age of Covidism:

"Perhaps we are to blame. Blindly trusting in 'authorities' to have our best interests at heart is the kind of infantile thinking that got us into this mess."

BINGO. That says it all. The reason that even medical professionals, who ought to know better, are acting like pre-programmed zombies and going along with all this ****, is that they, like 95% of the population, are still operating under the quaint assumption that the government is actually looking out for us.

When in fact the government has made it abundantly clear that they are THE ENEMY.
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Outstanding historical perspective and analysis (my favorite recent read outside of Karl's posts):

The Prevailing Corona Nonsense Narrative, Debunked in 10 or 26 Minutes

https://doctors4covidethics.org/the-prev....
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Holy moley, @Robackrman! Keep those links coming!

I'm reading the one at Doctors4CovidEthics right now, and am learning one thing after another that I, despite months of immersion in all things Covid, did not know before.

This is must-read stuff, folks.

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One thing I find really interesting is that thennt.com has been completely silent on the vaccine since February.

For those that don't know, that site is a group a medical professionals that look at the absolute risk of something instead of the relative risk. Then they take the reciprocal of the absolute risk to get "numbers needed to treat". For the China virus vaccine, they computed you would have to vaccinate 119 people to prevent 1 from getting it. Then you weigh that against how frequently bad side effects occur to determine if the "risk" is worth it.

They seem to do pretty solid work, at least on stuff like stents and statins; the dangers of which I believe has been frequently discussed on the forum before. But the fact they have gone "radio silent" since February suggests they are like the hospitals/doctors who quietly prescribed Ivermectin: they know the truth, but don't want to catch flack for stating it.

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