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Tickerguy
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Ah, ok.

Well that's better. I think.

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Vernonb
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On vacation and just finished doing electrical repair to my 81 year old Mom's 2000 Jeep Cherokee Laredo 2wD that she purchased new.

The straight 6 runs like a top with with 200k+ miles on it. Oil and fluid changes have been religious.

She's destroyed the headliner shoving trees for planting in and out of it but rest of vehicle upholstery is great and mechanically in good condition.

Body is a bit faded in the SC sun and it has a few minor dents and scrapes.

AC and heat are bit problematic but absolutely no signs of oil, transmission, or other fluid leaks. Simply amazing.

All the wires with all the fancy door, window, and lock controls had broken in the driver's door. She couldn't get the windows back up.

I ended up cutting and slicing about 12 wires including both power cables. I wasn't tearing out the dash to fix this engineering screw up that should have had an intermediate "disposable" harness for a high stress area. What should have taken 15 minutes with proper engineering took almost 3 hours with a spliced repair. I replaced wiring with 12 and 10 gauge wire stranded wire and resealed it with roofing sealer to prevent moisture intrusion. That's 2-3 times larger than the original wires. Hopefully the repair will survive life of the vehicle.

Nothing working implicated a major break in power but I didn't want to go through this again so I replaced all door wiring.

I also usually end up polishing to restore the headlight assemblies at least once a year.



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Vernonb
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On another note my 2007 Prius bit the dust in January. Hybrid battery died with red triangle of death.

This Prius has had a wheel bearing, ac fan motor, 2 sets of headlamps, and entry key replacement until this time. The rekey due to damaged fobs cost me over $200.00.

Also a replacement wiper arm for $120.00
The headlamp issue resulted in lawsuits. The HID lamps didn't make it to 45k miles. The dealer wanted $400.O0 a headlamp to change bulbs!

Of course I got the notice of the recall after I had repaired. Screw Toyota. You have to pull the front bumper forward to remove the headlamp assembly to replace them with confidence. I did that myself twice for $120.00 in parts each time I also replaced the fan motor for $76.00 in parts with help of a mirror in the floor board. Dealer wanted $360.00 for a 15 minute job!

I repaired the Hybrid battery myself after buying 4 used cells for $130.00. I also bought two 10 amp hobby charges for about $190.00.

This Prius used NiMH batteries. A replacement used battery can generally be found under $2000.00. New LiH batteries with greater power density are about 4k + installation.

It took some time but I did repair myself and saved thousands. I'm used to high voltage from Amateur radio days. Honestly after pulling the HV connect and exercising common electrical sense it was easy.

I also found apps that can connect to OBD II connects through Bluetooth for hybrids very useful.

More than 1500 miles and the car has not performed this great in years. Fuel economy back near 50 mpg or greater on flatland.

I learned a lot about battery cycling to restore some capacity during this time.

Don't look forward to new vehicle payments especially for today's trash designed to fail immediately past warranty engineering.

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Pete01234
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Thanks for the incentive to look more into this.. the start/stop thing on my new Jeep Gladiator was getting annoying, and I always figured it was likely doing more damage than it was saving in gas mileage. There are a few ways to disable it permanently with an add-on, and I'll be doing that now. Thanks!
Bluto
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Start/stop sucks. Another useless feature that actually does more harm than good. I've driven cars that wouldn't start sometimes after shutting the engine off. Having to deal with the stress of that at every stop probably takes years of your life, but maybe that is part of the calculation "they" use when mandating this crap.

All this is done under the guise of reducing the so-called "carbon footprint".

If they were serious about that, they would simply ban all immigration into the county, and fix the inefficient traffic signals in busy areas. It can't possibly be that expensive to install "smart" traffic lights that turn green when there is a lot of traffic. Nothing is more stupid than seeing cars sit for mintues at a red light when there is no cross traffic. Flashing red (stop) and flashing yellow are way underutilized also. They could probably increase the nationwide MPG by 10% by fixing that alone.

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Patentleathershoes
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Thanks for posting this. I have this feature on my VW and now I know how to turn it off. It has been driving me crazy.

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Edit: See next reply. This was posted in error. Sorry!

James56287
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I was reading through this thread thinking about the cars I've owned that were reliable. I'd recommend looking into getting yourself a 2009 to 2015 Mazda Miata. These are the known as the "NC2" and "NC3" models.

The cars are mechanically simple and have relatively limited electronics that can break. The engines in these model years were internally strengthened from the 2006 to 2008 vintage NC1s with additional forged rotating assembly components. They're fun, but not really fast cars and they're practical for what I need, getting to and from work on a daily basis and plenty of trunk space for regular grocery runs. On the highway they sip gas without any of the cylinder deactivation nonsense, I've regularly clocked between 35-40 mpg on longer highway trips. Most tanks are 24-30 on a blended basis of city and highway driving with typical use.

I owned a 2008 in automatic originally that I traded in to get a 2012 in manual, because I wanted the manual more, not because of any real problems with the 2008. I put about 100k trouble free miles on the 08, with the only major maintenance being an AC compressor and I replaced the soft top (optional on my part, it was more cosmetic than anything). Other than that it took only regular maintenance to keep it running perfectly. Some minor maintenance items were frustrating to do myself, like replacing the damn headlight bulbs. You either needed to have elf hands or you have to pull the fender liner to get to them.

Either way, the 2012 manual runs perfectly but I've only put an additional 10K miles on top of the 25k it came with.

Last year you could get these with 15-30k miles in the above model years for between $10k-15k depending on trim level. Probably a bit more now, but in that price range they're an absolute steal from a value perspective. Highly recommend.
Drifter
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It's really a damned shame we can't get some European cars here. I rented a VW Up in France 4 years ago. Than manual diesel was a dream.
Vernonb
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@James56287

Yep nice cars. I've seen then cannibalized for parts to fix other cars as Triumph Spitfires. Wife and stepson now "fighting" over my 1980 Spitfire. I have all the parts now to get it running. The Spitfire only had a simple solid state ignition control and in spite of British engine/transmission flaws very user serviceable. No power anything!

It's a good teaching car for my stepson for father/son project. One of the few things I've found that can tear him away from the internet and game addiction.

With overdrive the 1980 Spitfire was capable of 50 mpg in the 1980s. A more powerful and reliable engine/tranny combo would make AC a possibility as well as stop the 15 degree uphill drag-lol. It was never a speed demon but handled well.
Always loved the way that engine bay opened on the Spitfires.

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K5555
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We have a 1999 Miata. Bought in 2000 for $14,500 after someone turned it in from a lease with 20k miles. It has almost 190k miles today. Awesome little car (100% made in Japan), gets compliments even today, most recently yesterday. Found out an original black hardtop on Craigslist about ten years ago. One of the 10% that is automatic trans. I have replaced the radiator a few times, condenser core (rock went through it), one electric fan, thermostat once, one caliper, AC expansion valve (exceptionally easy to get to, just take out glove compartment with one bolt!), fuel pump once, and that it is. Very easy to work on. So low to the ground it is nearly unflippable and highly maneuverable. Manual locks and windows as I bought it with an eye towards keeping it forever. I use a full size battery (in the trunk) instead of the tiny Miata one. Like the poster said above, if you can find one, they are fun and reliable. Great rear wheel drive old fashioned European sportiness.

As the video below shows, get blown away in straight away, catch up in curves due to exceptional maneuverability.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports....
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