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Chevyman
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@Jc3: You mentioned unscrupulous mechanics buying and selling used cars for profit, doing only band-aid repairs.

When I sold my aforementioned 1998 Honda Civic last year, one of the responses to my Craigslist ad was a used car flipper. I had only listed the vehicle for $950 (although it ran well, it did have some issues, and I wanted a quick sale, hence the price). These flippers, who pulled up with a pickup truck and flatbed trailer, only offered me $500. I told them, thanks, but no thanks.

I sold it later that same day to a teenage girl, for $800, and she was thrilled with the car.

I am very upfront when selling a used car. I disclose all issues/quirks, both major and minor, because I'd want a seller to do the same for me, if I was the buyer. But not everyone is honest, so due diligence is required (although the amount of due diligence required for a $1,000 car is less than for a $9,000 car).
Jacksparrow
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I've got a RAM3500 4x4 with the diesel engine (485 hp). It gets 21mpg highway if I don't use the cruse control, and drops to 9mpg towing a heavy (17,000#) 5th wheel, but 10 ~ 11 if I don't use the cruise control. It's an automatic transmission 6 speed. Physically I'm not up for crawling around fixing it, so I frequently get soaked by the dealer. Spent $2500 getting brakes and the positive wire to the trailer wiring harness fixed 4 months ago. I bought the extended warrantee when I bought it used. Definitely got my money out of that. It's actually a bit sickening how much it takes to keep that thing rolling.
Cheetah9
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The most reoccurring theme in life and cars: Older is better. :)
13 Tacoma - 105K and 2000 Explorer 2d stick... 110K and ****ing love this little truck!
Winder
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Have 4 of the ALH VWs. 3 beetles, 1 Jetta. All with 5 speeds. 150K up to 400K on the Jetta. Made my girls (5) learn and take their test with a manual. Oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Once they found out virtually no one their could drive a stick (boys) they were quite happy. They dont call a manual transmission a millennial anti-theft device for nothing.

These cars are mechanically sound but the plastic inside is the worst. All brittle and easily broken or develops a gummy texture. Headliners worthless. Electrics can be a problem. Every single one had the heater quit working due to blend door failure. But 40-50 MPG, no emissions test for these in TX so all the smog stuff deleted. Cant see any reason to get rid of them, they just keep going.
Tickerguy
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Blend doors can be fixed WITHOUT removing the dash (I figured out how) and the headliner isn't all THAT hard. Electrics are a function of them being Mexico vehicles; the Wolfsburg ones are fine.

The gummy plastic thing is fixable with rubbing alcohol and some elbow grease. Off it comes.

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Drifter
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@jack-- I wouldn't let a dealer touch my wet crap.

Look for an independent repair shop.

In their defense: a brake job is a bitch on these things-- on mine, the wheel bearing and hub have to come out together. Then press out the lugs. I've spent an hour with a rotohammer trying to get that **** off. Even loosening the hub bolts a few mm and using an extension and the power steering as leverage can take awhile. Plus, the parts are $$$.

It's like poon-- pay to play.
Rufust445
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Used to play bridge with an engine engineer retired from GM. He would talk about how they were pressured for every possible additional 0.1 mpg like it was money in the bank.
Tickerguy wrote..
Start/stop tends to be trouble over time too,
On something like a Suburban or a big pickup, to save gas, it's like drinking diet pop with pizza to save on calories.

Currently on my 10th car since 1969, all with manual transmission. 30-32 mpg around town, 35-37 on the highway. Only one of those ten cars had transmission trouble, after 102K miles.

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Tickerguy
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Yeah well I've got over 200k on my Mazda, factory clutch.

The Jetta (now Sarah's)? Roughly 300k -- on the factory clutch AND she learned to drive on that car.

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Ee4fire
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Still have my 2001 F-250 Super Duty pickup with 199,000+ miles on it. Over the last 4 years replaced the exhaust, A/C and brake systems. The original exhaust system lasted over 17 years. The total cost of repairs was much less than a year of payments on a new F-250 SD.

My only complaint about my truck is not being 4WD. It has a club cab, but only an issue now if I have to drive with my 3 teenage boys.

Engine uses no oil and runs great and the transmission works well, The linkage for the transmission needs to be replaced and that will be done sooner than later.

The tailgate is rusting out along the bottom and the plastic handle for the tailgate broke apart. I will likely be finding a used tailgate in the not to distant future. I would like to replace Ole Blue with a newer 4WD, but holding off as long as I can.

I have been making the cosmetic fixes to keep the truck from rusting out, but it is still covered over 80% with the original factory paint job.

My Dad had a 1990 F-350 4WD with a 460 and dual rear wheels I wanted to inherit. Unfortunately, he put it into a boat storage lot with his camper on it, when he became ill and I had no place to park it. The storage lot left the door open over one winter. When I went to check on it the spring, mold and mildew killed the interior. The engine had been rebuilt with less than 25K miles after having over 250k put on it. Wasn't going to be worth the trouble to fix the all the damage to the interior. Not enough value to sue. I was there to to pay the overdue storage bill and basically gave them the truck in leu of the bill.

They didn't replace the shrink wrap around the camper and had parked it under a tree. A branch fell on the roof of the camper and cracked it. The camper interior was trashed. The camper was over 40 years old and was well kept up until that point.

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Loonster
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Start/stop is dangerous. I rented a newer Rav4 with that feature. Turning left on a 5 lane road. Speed limit is 45mph. I see a nice little opening, step on the gas, and it ****ing hesitates. It's not much, but its something. The rest of the trip I drove in sport mode.

Btw, Toyota only offered the Start/Stop bug on their LE version.
Njca
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The nice thing about being able to drive a manual is that when all that remains at international airport car rental lots are manuals, you are golden. And what is up with cars offering massaging seats? I'd like one that could brew some decent coffee.

Completely off topic, but has Geert vandenl Bossche been proven right? https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/....
Tickerguy
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I want a car with a pop-up dick-sucker. Now THAT would be a feature.

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Elkad
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I rented an Impala with start/stop. It would shut off at a light and immediately restart.

I habitually stop, then ease off the brake until the car starts to drift, then apply the minimum pressure (if any) to hold it. Which confused it.
Uwe
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Tdurden wrote..
This year we've been treated to Audi, Jaguar and Range Rover announced that they will be making their entire product line-up all electric.

I think a lot of the motivation for the rush toward EVs is because the car makers are tired of the emissions treadmill they're on. Every few years, they have add more crap to meet newer standards, and the regulatory agencies are never willing to say, "OK, that's clean enough". If they make EVs, emissions become someone else's problem.

Here's a prime example of why it sucks to be a car manufacturer anymore:
https://www.cnn.com/2.268.0/static/unsup....
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The five car manufacturers Daimler, BMW, Volkswagen, Audi and Porsche possessed the technology to reduce harmful emissions beyond what was legally required under EU emission standards. But they avoided to compete on using this technology's full potential to clean better than what is required by law

So they're being fined a billion dollars because they "conspired" not put more expensive and unreliable crap on their cars than was required to meet the standards.
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Uwe
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For many cars with start-stop, there's a little aftermarket gizmo available. It's basically a small timer circuit that gets plugged in-line with the start/stop disable switch. A few seconds after the ignition is turned on, it produces a pulse that simulates the start/stop switch having been pressed.

Trouble with the latest cars is that many of the physical controls are being moved to touch-screens, which makes this kind of thing rather more difficult.

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Tickerguy
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Same thing for aftermarket stereos which want to be wired into the E-brake switch so you don't use video features when driving.

There's a little time-delay relay circuit and provides the required double-pulse..... $20 or so and... **** you manufacturer.

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Rufust445
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Elkad wrote..
I habitually stop, then ease off the brake until the car starts to drift
On level ground I take my foot off the brake too. With manual transmission, just pop it in neutral and let out the clutch pedal.
Njca wrote..
The nice thing about being able to drive a manual is that when all that remains at international airport car rental lots are manuals, you are golden.
Have only done that twice, once in Nice, once in Zurich. In the early '90's for a ski trip I reserved a Ford Festiva with a rental agency near the Denver airport. When I arrived they were all out of Festivas, so I got a GMC Astro van with 4WD at Festiva rates.

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Toddmeister
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@Tickerguy
Yep I had to do that sort of trick when I put a Pioneer DVD head unit into an 05 GMC pickup I used to own.

@Uwe
That trick won't work if you don't have a start/stop disable switch to begin with.
On the GM vehicles you could also get a little black box that plugged into the hood latch switch to disable the Start/Stop. I did that one first on the 18 Traverse, but it occasionally set a DTC and check engine light, so I returned it to the mfg for credit and got the OBDII start/stop disabler instead. The OBDII unit works great.

Bodhi
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You guys are making me even more grateful for my 2000 Toyota Sienna that just keeps on running like a Timex. I've only ever had to do the routine maintenance stuff.

I did have a troublesome O2 sensor that I diagnosed with an OBD device. I replaced it 3 times in 3 years (suspect cheap China ****), but the third one has now lasted for about 5 years without throwing a code. thankfully it's on the front of the engine and easy to replace.

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Abelardlindsey
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The start/stop thing on GM cars is both irritating and stupid. The continual starting and stopping is more damaging to the engine, resulting in costs far greater than the miniscule amounts of fuel it saves. It is so irritating that I will not rent a GM product when I travel (and rent cars).

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Toddmeister
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BTW another way to disable auto start/stop on some GM vehicles without a disable button is to put the Trans Shift lever into manual (M) and select the highest gear. The trans will shift normally but start/stop is disabled in this mode.
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I had a 2010 Honda Accord V6 and a 2011 Honda Pilot. I lost both of these due to a problem caused by cylinder deactivation. What happens over time is the vibration from the intentional cylinder misfire caused by the VCM (variable cylinder management) causes the piston rings to rotate allowing oil to get into the combustion chamber. When this happens, it fouls the spark plug (normally the #2 cylinder) and the engine misfires making the check engine light come on. Sometimes the cylinders get scored. A Honda tech told me that they didn't know if the piston rings were the problem or if it was the VCM. They modified the piston rings in the 2013 model and supposedly didn't have any more issues.

Honda settled a class action lawsuit about this. They agreed to an 8-year unlimited mileage warranty. The first repair would be to update the VCM software and change the bad spark plug and clear the engine code. Most people found after this that they started burning oil. The dealer would order an oil consumption test and if found excessive by Honda's standards (which was about a quart every 1,000 miles) then they would move to fix #2. If you got another malfunction and a check engine light, the 2nd fix was to replace the piston rings. If they found scoring in the cylinder, they would replace the engine. If the malfunction happened a 3rd time after the ring job, they would replace the engine.

I was within a month of the warranty expiring on my Accord when the malfunction happened for the 2nd time and it went to the dealer for a ring job. While it was in the shop, I worked out a deal for a new Camry. I picked the Accord up from the dealer and took it right to the Toyota dealer for the new Camry. What stunk was it only had 53k miles on it. A few months ago the Pilot did the same thing with 197k miles. It was out of warranty and the dealer wanted $4.5k for a ring job. I said no thanks and sold it for parts.

There are several after market solutions for the VCM. One is called a VCM muzzle that is plug and play which stops the VCM from working by tricking it into thinking the operating temperature is not high enough to engage.
Uwe
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You wanna talk about stupid?
GM Product Safety Recall A212335470 Mispositioned Emergency Jack May Not Support Vehicle
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RC....
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Locate the plastic jack
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Remove the plastic jack.
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Scrap the plastic jack.

Sounds like the problem isn't really a "mispositioned" jack, but the fact that the jack was made of freaking plastic!
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Tickerguy
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So "scrap the jack" and replace it with.... nothing.

Now you have no jack and a flat means you get to call a towtruck even though YOU have a spare because he has...... a jack.

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Uwe
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KD wrote..
So "scrap the jack" and replace it with.... nothing.

I don't think they could get away with that, at least not indefinitely:
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Dealers will replace the recalled jack with a jack with a different design. Undelivered vehicles will have the emergency jack removed prior to delivery. These owners will be provided a replacement jack under a customer satisfaction field campaign.


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