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2021-07-13 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Now Biden administration officials are telling people that "vaccine hesitancy" is about bringing the Biden Administration down.

“It's being coordinated by people who have platforms and have an interest in bringing down the current administration.”

Oh please.

You really expect anyone to believe that Trump supporters are going to willingly die to destroy Joe Biden's administration?

If they were really willing to die to ruin Biden's administration some tiny percentage could simply decide he's leaving office now.  Given that we're talking about 60 million people who voted for Trump it must be assumed that if even a tiny percentage decided that bitching wasn't enough one or more would succeed and, of course, likely die.

But deliberately contract a deadly virus and choke on your own spit to ruin a sitting President's administration?

You're joking, right?

They really have gone all the way to clown world in DC folks.

The press secretary also pointed out that the administration has, for months, engaged with local community groups and pastors to handle the “door-to-door” sharing of information with neighbors about the vaccine.

Conveniently omitting, I'm sure that there are 9,000 death reports in VAERS associated with these shots.  Contrast that against the flu shot, which also is given to about 170 million Americans a year -- last year's campaign of 170 million stabs, more or less, was associated with 26 deaths.

If these shots are so safe why are 400 times as many people on a per-shot basis dying in close association with taking them?

Why did the FDA just issue a warning about GBS with the J&J vaccine over an associated rate of about 1 in 125,000 shots where the death rate for the shots (associated, again, not proved) of about 1 in 16,000?

Last time I checked death is not treatable -- GBS is, although sometimes the damage is both life-altering and permanent.

Oh, and look at this lie from Politico:

The big misinterpretation that Fox News or whomever else is saying is that they are essentially envisioning a bunch of federal workers knocking on your door, telling you you've got to do something that you don't want to do,” Anthony Fauci, President Biden’s chief medical adviser, said in an interview on Sunday. “That's absolutely not the case, it's trusted messengers who are part of the community doing that — not government officials. So that's where I think the disconnect is.”

Oh really?

Well Politico, how long did it take for Fauci to get caught lying about there being no plans to mandate anything that someone doesn't want to do?

Fauci says vaccines should be mandated at the local level but the federal government will not mandate them.

Oh, so he'll just try to get others to mandate them but he won't because HE CAN'T AND HE KNOWS IT.

Why would I believe these shots work when the chief advocate got caught lying about his desires and intentions by explicitly advocating for forced shots while at the same time saying that was not the intent?

In other news South Carolina's AG recently sent one of their colleges a rather strict warningTheir plan to treat non-vaccinated students in a punitive way, including masks and weekly testing, is illegal.  They backed down.

In Tennessee Dr. Michelle Fiscus who had attempted to argue they could vaccinate minors without parental consent, and was part of the TN DOH running social media ads advocating for kids to get the shots, has been fired.  Good.  I hope that whackjob finds a position worthy of her level of competence in the fast-food industry.  Of course, as expected, that evil bitch went and whined to CNN, which dutifully gave her a place to play cry room in the national media.

Meanwhile as we know Democrats are all in the tank for masks, still, the Texas Democratic Caucus was photographed on an airplane with not a mask in sight.  Yes, a chartered flight but wait.... I thought if you didn't wear a mask on any transportation under federal regulation you were breaking regulations and would be expelled since you are clearly a mass-murderer?  I guess the personal decision to be vaccinated against Covid-19 (or not) is good enough for the entire Democratic Caucus of the Texas Legislature.

Isn't that very same principle good enough for everyone else?

On the backs of all this we have a new study, that I reported on, showing that there is no benefit to hospitalization or death in elderly people who take the flu shot.  That's been yet another scam and lie run for the last several decades -- that it's "highly effective", especially in elderly people.  Nope -- this study across an utterly huge number of medical incidents, over a hundred million medical encounters and over 7 million deaths spanning a couple of decades says the flu shot in older people is bull****; the shot does nothing to keep elderly people from being seriously attacked by the flu and either winding up in the hospital or dead.

Meanwhile the evidence is overwhelming that early treatment with inexpensive drugs against Covid-19 works.  Every time?  Nope.  Nothing works against anything 100% of the time -- ask those who got Covid after being vaccinated.

I predicted that this entire mess was going to blow up in Biden's face and get Trump too, who tried to play cute at CPAC the other day about Covid and his magic shots.  More and more evidence comes out almost on a daily basis that there was no noble anything about any component of the BS all the way back to the start; it was all false and maliciously so, if for no other reason than money.

CNN will never give it up and ultimately it will destroy their network.  It already is; their viewership is reduced at this point to a bunch of screaming Karens cowering under their beds pissing in their own pants.  They're still running the give us two weeks nonsense about how we're all gonna die even in the face of CDC hospitalization data which tells the tale; it's over, Delta or otherwise, shots or no shots.  Giving anyone airtime to talk about mandates (that's demanding you take the shot at literal gunpoint) is beyond insanity -- this is a virus that almost always kills people who have put themselves at risk over the space of decades through their own behavior. 

Let's take another example to make clear exactly how stupid such a debate about mandates is: HIV.  There is now available a drug cocktail called "PrEP" (two of them, at least actually) that are formulated into one pill and are quite effective at reducing the risk of getting HIV.  It's not 100% (nothing is) but the data says it works more than 99% of the time.

Should anyone have the right to mandate that everyone take it all the time including those who never engage in either anal sex or IV drug use, on the principle that you might get the virus anyway?  After all you might get anally raped even as a kid, right?

Would you tolerate such a demand at gunpoint to go to school, see a baseball game or be employed or would you give anyone who tried to force you to take that drug a damn good reason to need it themselves by screwing them up the ass in response?

Note that this medication is safer than the Covid-19 shots on the data.  It's also more effective at preventing HIV infection than Covid shots are at preventing Covid; the data says PrEP is effective well over 99% of the time, which none of the shots claim for the Coof.  But it is not risk-free; it can have severe health impacts including both kidney and liver failure and both of those can, in rare instances, kill you.

Those who have a reason to use PrEP for HIV can access and use it at their election, and for some people it makes sense.

The same sort of risk split is true for Covid; those who do not have any of a relatively short list of conditions are at minuscule risk from this virus and with early treatment with safe drugs the risk of a bad outcome is reduced even further.  For those who are at high risk using prophylaxis, including the vaccines even with their associated risk of death might pencil out.

But forcing people to take them is another matter when anyone who believes they are at enhanced risk can take the shot themselves, exactly as is the case for HIV PrEP.

Don't be stupid!

Even Fox, which was solidly in the tank on this thing, is starting to crack their 100% positive coverage; all shots, all the time.  Not so much now with the J&J news at the top of the masthead.

The core breach on the Covid bull**** is accelerating.

PS: If you want an individual risk assessment that allegedly adjusts for your location and community prevalence of the virus you can find one that Hopkins' has online here.  IMHO it overstates the impact of age; the NY Coroner data backs that up, but I'm quibbling in that regard.  In addition it presumes no early treatment and does not adjust for things like using Vitamin D supplements in the winter, which has a strong inverse association with mortality -- so it's a worst case guess, and one that anyone should be able to improve upon.  It also gives no credit for prior infection whatsoever (it doesn't ask), which we know, scientifically, is bull**** and thus should get everyone involved in publishing it drawn, quartered and the remains fed to feral hogs.  Since their tool is a monthly risk and the vaccine makers are already pushing for boosters every six months to a year multiply by 12 and remember that on the same rules as the CDC uses for Covid death -- that is, positive test within 30 days -- the jabs carry an unadjusted (that is, not for morbidity factors) risk of death of 1 in about 16,000.  The standard for vaccines in general, since infection with the agent is never certain, is that the vaccine should be one hundred times less likely to kill you than the infection itself.  If you are at particularly high risk (for example, with a raging infection in the population as was the case this winter) then 1 in 10 might be acceptable.

It is never acceptable if the risk of the vaccine is greater than the risk of natural infection; anyone trying to coerce such an action is, on balance and on the facts trying to kill you and thus deserves an immediate, forceful and if necessary violent response in-kind.

One final note: By Hopkins' numbers even for a 65 year old who is (controlled) diabetic and hypertensive and obese (5'11 250lbs) the math still does not favor the shot as the odds are, roughly-speaking, even between infection and the vaccines.  Yeah, the fraud on these jabs is that bad folks, the people running this bull**** know it and every one of them should be in prison or worse for what they've done.

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I have talked to a TON of people who have totally bought into the vaccine. If they ever figure out they have been screwed over on their health, it's gonna get interesting.

The deception is strong with this group, though.....they do not WANT to see the truth as it makes them look real stupid. They will find all kinds of reasons to blame the non-vaccinated, is my guess.

I can't control that, I can only control what I do and how I respond.

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Yet the southern border is wide open, zero testing, no concern.

So turn over half of the populace into virtual political. prisoners.

Hmm, just like that Hitler was elected, and millions died.

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I'm so old that I remember the 1976 swine flu outbreak...

"In 1976, an outbreak of the swine flu, influenza A virus subtype H1N1 at Fort Dix, New Jersey caused one death, hospitalized 13, and led to a mass immunization program. After the program began, the vaccine was associated with an increase in reports of Guillain-Barr Syndrome, which can cause paralysis, respiratory arrest, and death. The immunization program was ended after approximately 25% of the population of the United States had been administered the vaccine."

And yet, the Covid vaccines are still being pushed today.
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This COVID narrative stays together as long as the brainwashing is strong.

For the Jim Jones followers, it was strong enough to end up actively drinking the KoolAid and forcing it down the throats of their children - even though they were watching people die all around them!!

This is no different. Despite the mounting evidence of the danger of these vaccines and the fraud of the whole process, there are still people rolling up their sleeves - and offering up their kids!!!

As an aside, these PreP HIV drugs are just inducing new mutations as time goes on. Just about every HIV isolate that is tested now has mutations to drugs used previously. Always a race between the bugs and the drugs and Morher Nature always bats last.

Apply any evolutionary pressure, immunologic or drugs in this case, to any group of living organisms and you are going to select out, or induce, new mutations. Always, 100%. It is built into our world like the Fibonacci sequence.

It works in people at the level of their brains, in the form of social pressure and messaging. There truly is a war on for our minds, some would say our souls, and the race will go to those that say "I aim to misbehave - BFYTY!!".

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: mandates don't exist because they can't exist.

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@Blackcrow, I really appreciate your presence here and your contributions, but . . .

BFYTY??!! Even the acronymn dictionary doesn't know what to make of this. Even though I am acronym challenged I have discovered that just by staring at one long enough, it discloses its mystery. Why just the other day on this site, which does not suffer fools gladly, tptb became "the powers that be' without my consulting an acronym dictionary. I certainly wasn't going to ask. Similarly, COL in context became "cost of living." Easy peasy lemon squeezy (EPLS from here on out). But BFYTY is beyond me, except TY almost certainly means To You, but with BFY I could use some help, unless of course you would prefer not to be more explicit.

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Yes, I find it very interesting what the FDA decides to warn about. Death just means the spike protein is protecting you from covid.
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BFYTY Because **** you That's Why

**** it...I give up. Stupid is everywhere now!
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Yank those EUAs:

American Journal of Therapeutics; "Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19":


link to American Journal of Therapeutics at bottom of article

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Just wondering if the driver of the tanker truck had the Jab recently??

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I find the urban dictionary to be most helpful for acronyms I may not have encountered before. Usually gets you to the point rather quickly and often adds a lot of laughs as well.

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Yes, it is voluntary. Like my colleague wondering whether to get fired by his liberal university or take the jab. My guess is he will move to states like FL that have laws against this.

I suggest the following: since the group with the lowest rate of compliance with the vaccine is blacks, a university mandating vaccination for students and employees is essentially undertaking a policy that will have disparate impact. Would the university choose the racist policy, or to rescind it so as not to have a disparate impact upon blacks? He won't push it.
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My source of anecdotal data of deaths are with celebrities. Generally not known for thinking independently, but doing what the herd is doing, so probably better than the average of the population in terms of portion getting the jab, and you tend to see coverage in the news when they die.

Strange.... lots of cardio related issues in the 40 - 60 year old set of these folks, in the description of their passing. Just sayin'....

I read the NY Post (it's not behind a firewall - yeah, I'm cheap) and have noticed a fair number of these deaths in the last 3 or 4 months.

Not good.

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it's trusted messengers who are part of the community doing that not government officials.

this is actually the more ominous but very subtle line. There comes a time when one can no longer be sure that an agent of the power base is wearing a uniform or has official ID to show to you. The people who can be recruited to be messengers to the community are those who pass this as a sort of test.

My take on how even the liberal public reacts and those who might not be liberal who got taken in by this whole thing. A good percentage go dark for the rest of their lives. To varying degrees they say **** it to laws, rules and common morality. Similar to someone facing death. They do not blame a particular person but everyone in their justification for whatever they do to benefit themselves. Like dishonesty and corruption. And, the wheel goes around.


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That is exactly how and why you start seeing people dropped when they go to get the mail in the afternoon.

Take what's going on with inflation, the fact that the exponential curve has now gone vertical, the government is thus far refusing to stop the credit emission, The Fed is thus far refusing to tell them to cut it our or they will pull system liquidity and FORCE it to stop and you have a recipe that within a couple of years there is no more law and order of any sort, at all, and every one of those door knockers will be remembered.

When OAS shows up on top of it (and the data is that it is ALREADY STARTING) into a collapsed social environment if you were part of that you're dead and so is your entire family.

You think the government will keep a lid on that? Nope. Look at Chicago right now. The ugly fact is that the only reason there is EVER civil society is that people generally follow the law, at least at a gross (violent) level without coercion. There is no coercion possible; the thugs ALONE outnumber the cops 10:1 and that's without counting all the nominally-decent folks! Add them in and it's 100:1 or more.

Not a prayer in Hell civil society survives if that veneer breaks.

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Once again, pardon the blatant promotion here, but Ann Barnhardt's podcast is worth the time as she discusses the scamdemic with Nurse Claire and Dr Beep

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I got a 0.72 per 1,000,000 (0.6 x 12). LOL

Science takes time. Partially because the patent process in the USA takes time, LOL

"D.A.J. is an inventor on a patent application for the use of ivermectin for coronavirus infection"

We also know that Ivermectin prevents the transmission of HIV. Bill gates has hijacked much of the research.

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What if the whole Convid-19 hysteria was just used as an opportunity for the left to get their agenda implemented?

1) Change Election Laws to get their puppet in office (done)

2) Create a Labor shortage to drive unskilled labor to $15/hr (done)

3) Create a nationwide medical catastrophe (via the Jab), which will bankrupt private employer based heath insurance leaving the government no choice but to take over the entire system.(pending?)

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Right into the maw of a social collapse driven by Congressional money-printing.


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Unfortunately it's far worse in canada. If the polls are to believed, the percentage of people who have bought into the death-jab is around 90%. In my circle of acquaintances, I only know of one other individual (other than my wife) who isn't taking the shot, due to her concern over pre-existing health conditions. I have tried talking to various ones and it's like a steel gate comes slamming down the moment you mention anything about the risks (actual and potential). I can only hope that this poll, like so many other canadian polls is bull****.

Also too I think they were played when the government ginned up a false sense of scarcity at the beginning of the year due to the apparent mishandling of vaccine acquisition by that idiot savant that calls itself canada's prime minister. So when the "scarce" thing bacame available, people rushed to sigh up. And now there's all sorts of stupidity such as so-called medical experts claiming that it's OK to mix and match different "vaccines", and NOBODY bothers to stop for a second and ponder that the signs are there that these fiends really don't have a ****ing clue. Insanity!

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Karl, One thing that i always find hard to grok is how long this monetary mess has gone. I have my own limitations in terms of understanding and knowledge but expected this thing to come to a head in 2005. Sometimes i have a hard time understanding how Obamacare bought time as you have often discussed.

The reason that i mention this is that earning and rates tell me that perhaps this real estate market can go on for three more years, however i doubt it. Yes, people are saying hold out on selling until it gets even higher. I consider this insane for a variety of reasons.

what i am having trouble with is whether we get to another recession like early 2000s or about 2008 and then scam our way out of it. The numbers tell me that it cannot be done again, however been wondering how they ever dug out of the others, then add energy.

There is massive, delayed family and household formation going on and govt inc salaries are going higher. Where is it going to come from unless we figure some way with some ally to undercut China much like the Saudi's helped us bankrupt Russia.

The energy thing has me concerned. Unless the power base is hoping for a crisis to force the issue of nuclear when we are terribly desperate.

Could this be the reason for all of the electrical push for everything. Have the hardware and usage in place looking for a reason?

Dunno, big problem is that China must respond with a war, and here is the rub. Russia has energy and other elements that we would need from them. Would they enjoy seeing us squirm for a while?

For our urban areas to survive there is probably going to be a push for subsidized energy as in free heating fuels (gas and oil) and electricity. I also see a growing push for collectivization of the chemicals and areas needed for food production with the changing climate to colder.

Something is brewing. I think that they are worried about cities and urban areas not able to manage winters in terms of energy. Probably why CA thinks that it sits so pretty. One can deal with heat in their climate. Cold is another thing.

Warning to my friends. Get out of the NE and many upper latitude areas of the country if you are looking at your or children's lives lasting fifty or more years. It is going to get hard to survive energy wise there. Actually it might get noticeably difficult in about five years, cost and climate.

There is a mix here, energy and monetary. Perhaps the latter is being wasted to get the in place assets for the former to dominate the decision making process.

Then we go "screw healthcare" need to be warm and eat, and bad health outcomes are accepted as part of daily life. Maybe we are truly seeing the end of govt inc healthcare support. Years from now, it will only be in the history books and old media how people got operations for big things or lots of care. just simply died becomes the new expectation in a community where life is either shorter or healthier as people have much more to be concerned over like energy and food.

So, money is being burned to get hard stuff in place or prepare for it and exit a dying model as perceptions are changed.

I already seen people and have for decades getting used to things, and being encouraged to accept this, not being common or done anymore. Maybe it is just organic and not part of a plan, just how we slowly adapt even from the leadership level.

Like Karl experienced, govt leaders in his discussions with them understood certain things that were coming. Perhaps they understand other things too along with industrial and business leaders. What would they do?

what would you do?


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@Whitehat - Nuclear takes YEARS to build out if you kill all the environmental weenies and others who try to cockblock it. WITH that it takes 20 years.

As I pointed out way back the way through this mess was to solve the remaining engineering issues for online reprocessing with LFTRs, use the heat directly to make synfuel from coal (thus transport fuels are solved) and the rest is electrical. That works, and had we done it the first plants could be coming online NOW.

We didn't do it.

It's not going to be pretty; the generation and transport infrastructure DOES NOT EXIST to replace existing combustion fuels and cannot be built out in less than decades of time. Never mind the lack of redundancy that would come out of attempting to do that with anything other than fossil or nuclear unless you keep base load plants on at least "warm standby" and STAFFED, which wildly increases cost.

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i understand your arguments and agree totally. Also, have personal and honorable familial reasons to know about the great future that LFTR could bring.

Yes, agree totally that the ultimate battery would be a volatile liquid fuel similar in performance to gasoline arising from our excess carbon product after extraction of the LFTR fuel. Perhaps the heavier grade fuels could also be made.

What i am thinking is that it will be conventional nuclear under a much different model, small scale. Environmental weenies tend to go away when they are bought off, are freezing and starving to death and get enough of what they want from their politicians endorsing this concept.

A conventional nuclear plant under some emergency authorization, driven by necessity, might be a totalitarian way of bypassing approvals. This country is experimenting more and more with giving the govt powers under some one or another "emergency." seems logical that guns could stop any community or legal protest. Then twenty years for approval becomes twenty minutes.

i could see a lot of scientific and technical types just loving the ability to not have to deal with stupidity when needing to get something done. I know these people, on our level of ability and above, who know what we know. They get frustrated trying to solve things and might appreciate the power of the gun.

This is how it gets started when usually good people want to get things done and take shortcuts. Reminds me of Germany in the 30s.


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