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2021-06-07 07:35 by Karl Denninger
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Ok folks, why are people still putting up with anything when it comes to the whole Covid nonsense at this point?

For how long have I gone over this data?  Coming up on 18 months now.  Governors, Mayors and others have had every opportunity, and plenty of science has developed and been published, showing that:

  • If you're not morbid, most of which is due to lifestyle, you're not at particular risk.  You're far more-likely to die in a car accident.  Yes, it can kill you.  You can be run over while getting your mail too, but you don't live in fear of that.

  • Children are at nearly-no risk and neither are healthy adolescents and young adults.

  • Even healthy very old people are at little risk.

Now if you're fat and/or diabetic, well, then you're at quite a lot of risk.  But let's cut the crap folks; most people who are diabetic are Type II and that's a lifestyle disease, as is obesity.  You get there through voluntary decisions.  Therefore the additional risk you take is yours, not anyone else's.  Never mind that those morbidities make you a lot more likely to die from other causes too.

NY has been publishing this data since the pandemic started and for people who have none of a relatively-short list of underlying illnesses the number of people who have died even at age 75+ is seven.  Between 65-74 the count is nineEven Alameda County in California is now admitting they wildly overstated death counts and are walking it back.  The CDC itself has admitted that a third or so of the adolescents and children who are claimed to have been hospitalized or died "of" Covid were not plausibly actually killed, in whole or part, by the disease.  Indeed the CDC just got caught lying again by making a claim that there is a "rise" in young people being hospitalized.  They cherry-picked the dates; the data is that there never was a serious hospitalization rate among young people and it is currently plummeting just like it is for everyone else. 

Even at the highest levels of Covid in late December among the 5-17 year old group hospitalizations were running slightly above one person per state per week.


Further, of those from 5-17 the number of persons who were admitted to the hospital and died, from March 1 2020 through March 31st, 2021 was....... wait for it...... NINE.  Yes, a literal NINE nationwide.  Another nine under 5 died.  That's right -- 18 children in total from 0-17 year olds died of Covid-19 all the way back to March of 2020.

If that's not enough further review in a recent study the CDC did itself found that about a third of those were misclassified and had no plausible connection to Covid-19 actually killing the person in question.

That's a statistical zero risk of death if you are in that age bracket (17 and under) and get Covid.  There are roughly 75 million persons under the age of 18 in the United States; this means their risk of death from Covid-19 since March of 2020 is roughly 1 in 4 millionTo put context on this you're roughly one thousand times (there is a lot of variation with age and sex) more likely to die of something else in that age bracket provided you make it out your first year.  Why your first year?  Because roughly 5,500 per million infants die in their first year from all causes combined which is a stunning 20,000 times the rate that Covid-19 kills them.

In addition for those under 50 the percentage of hospital admissions ending in death was 2.4%.

There is no material risk of dying of Covid if you are under 50 and this is with zero early drug intervention which we know works so can we cut the crap folks?  This isn't my data it's the government's official data.

The AARP confirms this; 95% of those who died were 50+ but 64.6% of the Covid-19 alleged cases have been in people under 50.

Yet now the CDC is attempting to scare kids and adolescents into taking jabs through flat-out lies.

Why hasn't the CDC been banned from Twitter and Facebook for "medical misinformation"?  They are the publishers of this data and yet they are knowingly lying about their own data!

Now are there an awful lot of seniors who are fat and/or diabetic?  You bet.  But there are also many who are not and Covid doesn't kill them often, if at all.  

There is no reason for anyone to put up with any more of this bull****.  After almost a year and a half of being gaslighted, lied to up and down the line by every so-called "expert" under the sun, having treatments suppressed to the point that discussing them gets you thrown off social media sites and doctors sanctioned or threatened with loss of their licenses and professional associations please explain to me why the people of this nation haven't gotten tired of their loved ones being deliberately sacrificed -- that would be called murder, by the way -- and shoved all of this bull**** up the government's ass?

Nor is there any reason for anyone to get a jab for anyone else's benefit; these are not fully-tested and documented products, no matter what someone tries to tell you and again, the FDA's own documents in the form of the actual EUAs say so.  Any claim otherwise is ALSO a lie; these shots are lightly tested and there is plenty of evidence that more than one of the original safety claims made for them are now known false.

Does this means the jabs are proved dangerous?  Not necessarily, but the data certainly seems to say they are for some percentage of those who take them.  Never mind the insane number of people on this system and elsewhere who are reporting either their loved ones or someone they know quite well got the jab and within hours or days had extremely serious medical issues arise with zero prior history of medical trouble, frequently with doctors refusing to enter it into VAERS.  Once is a coincidence, twice is an oddity but when it keeps happening sorry folks, any claim that there's no connection between those events is flat-out bull****.

The question when it comes to something like mass-vaccination is always this: How many people do we need to treat to prevent one serious disease course vs how many people get a serious adverse event from the treatment?

We do not have the numbers for the serious adverse events associated with the jab as they're not being reported.  Without a numerator you cannot even begin to estimate an actual risk, but if you think about the number of people who are active on my forum and then their immediate associates and friends, to have even one or two such reports of serious (as in "hospital or worse") adverse events connected with these events ought to be enough to cause anyone to think twice before saying "Yes".  Without informed consent, and obtaining that requires a full and fair disclosure of what's known and not known, you have no right to give anything to anyone.

At this point anyone who wants the vaccine can have it, and if you believe it works and is safer than the disease for you that is up to you.  But the serious adverse event risk is material; perhaps a few in a thousand doses administered or even, perhaps, a couple per hundredThe risk of you having a serious adverse event from Covid if you are not morbid is, to the best of our ability to determine at this point, less than the risk of taking the jab and that does not account for the fact that you are not certain to get the disease.

You are certain to take the risk when you get jabbed.

Never mind this report -- where are the life insurance companies?  If there's one group of people who have their crap dialed in when it comes to who's going to die and how often it's those folks.  Oh not you specifically of course, but statistically, you bet.  These companies do not lose money and they don't make stupid bets either.  Every one of their bets collects a small amount of money and when they're wrong very large amounts go out their door.  If they are not changing rates and forcing jabs to get coverage or surcharging you if you don't get the jab then this much is absolutely certain: Covid-19 is non-event from a life insurance perspective -- in other words, whether they think you'll die of it

If that line of business says it's crap then its crap.

For those of us on Team Reality we're well past the point where we should be putting up with this bull****, any of it, especially when one considers that there are early treatments that work.  With those early treatments the risk of bad things happening if you get Covid is even less.  If someone gets the flu in a nursing home they give everyone else Tamiflu.  Why?  Because you hit viral diseases early and hard with safe drugs, that's why.  We know there are multiple safe drugs that work in this regard too and India has now conclusively proved it by literally collapsing their case rate in days through early treatment, where the one province that refused saw their rate skyrocket instead.

We're well past the time when we must play I AM THE MONEY GOD, as one of the respondents to a previous Ticker pointed out.

In other words the man with the wallet calls the tune; exactly nothing, other than a handful of things such as groceries, are truly a necessity and it is time to make all of these ghouls pay for their bull****, if they do not drop it and recant, IN SPADES.


  • We won't just not wear a mask, you won't either.  Nor will anyone else, whether an employee or customer.  A mask in a business used to mean someone was about rob the place.  In other words no, your employees will not wear them nor will you let customers wear them.  They're banned.  Period.  Put up the sign and mean it.

  • We will not discuss vaccinations or immunological status. My medical history and decisions are none of your damned business.  That's between myself and my doctor.  You ask me and I will both refuse to answer and immediately ask when you last had anal sex since obviously you like things -- such as that rat bastard liar Fauci -- up your ass.  Then you will see my back -- walking out the door with my wallet snapped closed.

  • The ambiance you used to have, and the amenities, are all going to be back as they were if you expect my patronage.  If not then forget it.  The plexiglass bull**** at the bar, the cash register, wherever?  Take it down.  If you run a hotel and used to offer a hot breakfast buffet, where is it?  No daily maid service in said hotel?  GTFO.  Pool or hottub is still closed?  BITE ME.  Want me to take a cruise? It's the same as it was in 2019, including the boarding procedures and questions.  No, I will not take a test first nor present proof of anything.  Got arrows on the floor and circles at 6' distances?  Get rid of them all -- now.  No more bull****.  Period.  I don't give a **** what the CDC thinks; they're proved liars so if you want to listen to them then you're a proved liar too and can **** OFF.

In short it's 2019, all of it.  No, we're not going to compromise.  We're not going to have a debate.  These are demands, not an opening bid or a set of requests and you will meet all of them or get nothing.

You may have a good or service to offer but I have money, and you need me to come in the door and spend it -- I DO NOT need you.  At all.  I have other options and places to spend my money and I will choose them if you do not comply with every one of the above demands -- with a smile.

I will not compromise; if you offer 99% of what I expect that is the same as zero.

I will not entertain any debate on the matter.

You will comply or you will get zero.

In fact, you may well get less than zero because I will actively, through every legal means available to me, encourage others to demand that all of what we used to enjoy return without exception and to walk out until you provide it.

And further, I will enjoy and indeed relish and celebrate every minute of watching your firm, and hopefully you, go underwater and drown in bankruptcy for the abuse you attempt to heap on both customers and employees.


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Some business owners understand this, and some don't. Home Depot and Menards are two of the worst around here. A few weeks ago, some ******* Menards employee refused to tell me where something was until I submitted to the tard rag order. Instead I walked out and went to Lowe's where they don't care about customer masks.

They're still making employees wear them, though. Dumb!

Amazon is an evil empire but no one has to mask up to shop there.
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THIS!! My daily dose of SANITY. Here in NY the insane still rule the day. This weekend in LOWES in the OUTSIDE garden area, I was one of few without masks (and it was HOT!! I don't know how anyone can wear a mask when it's hot out). In the grocery store, still probably at least 60% masked up (including while walking outside to and from their cars, freaking morons everywhere). The younger people seem to be the worst. Still barriers everywhere. The one in the local post office is hysterical, it is LITERALLY a thin piece of plastic that looks like SARAN WRAP with tears in it hanging from the ceiling and blowing around. Actually I should get a picture of it before they take it down. Last time I was in there shortly after Xiden's announcement that you don't have to wear masks inside if you've been vaccinated, I asked why no one is listening to the president. The young worker (2 masks and gloves) said she hadn't heard that and that we have to listen to Cuomo, not the president, LOL. It's actually painful being out and about. Too much stupid to bear.
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The Home Depot here has ditched the masks. Of course there are people walking around that didn't get the memo. They may be wearing masks for the rest of their lives ****ting their pants with fear every time they go out in public.
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Bravo. Kudos, sir. 👍
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Insurance--first time I've heard that. Good point. I wonder if that is/has changed for the jabbers?

A good canary to watch in 6 months...
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This is the only reasonable approach to doing business in 2021. Give me a normal experience or I will not spend money with you today and you will never see another dime from me again. Oh, and I'll also go out of my way to let others know that your business is run by hysterical lunatics who would rather dictate rules for the privilege of shopping there rather than actually serve their customer's needs.

There is exactly one coffee shop in my city that refused to go along with our asinine local mask ordinance. They are literally on the opposite end of town from where I live and they were never the best coffee around. Guess where I exclusively drive now when I want someone else to brew me a cup of coffee?

Not coincidentally,they have learned to make my coffee the way I like it. Funny how caring about your customer's experience is a mindset that governs the entire business transaction.
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I really want to thank Karl for all the analysis he has done on the COVID situation. I am a healthy 78 year old who is still hiking and backpacking. I knew I wasn't going to get the jab because of my medical history - allergies (including anaphylaxis), an autoimmune condition (alopecia), and a pulmonary embolism (while backpacking at altitude).

However, I have concluded that I would not get the jab even if I did not have this medical history. I think I had a mild case of COVID back when all of this began but I shook it off within a couple of weeks. I now have a supply of Ivermectin which I will take if I get any more symptoms.

I have passed on lots of info to my friends but they have all taken the jab. They all think I'm some kind of conspiracy theorist and listen to kooks! I live in New York City and they all revere Fauci and Cuomo. I have Prospect Park (Brooklyn) on my doorstep and people are still walking around wearing masks - even the little kids!

Recently a 73 year old male friend died from a stroke while out hiking. Of course there's no way to prove that he would still be alive if he hadn't been jabbed. Also, I think he had some kind of mild heart issue. But, if you already have heart issues, should you be taking something that is associated with blood clots, strokes, etc? It would seem not to be sensible.
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DOD organizations are using the honor system for vaccination status due to HIPAA, creating a new "don't ask and don't tell" policy.

We had a two hour meeting the other day with my new DOD organization that was mostly about Rona policies. I sat through it to get a couple questions answered about the agenda for upcoming meetings. One Karen took the opportunity to harp on people social distancing when lining up to enter a conference room for the upcoming meetings. You don't have to wear a mask if you've been vaccinated, and due to HIPAA vaccination status is still a "don't ask and don't tell" matter. Though they threaten that if you disclose you lack of vaccine to co-workers while not wearing a mask (notionally while ranting about CV-19 policies), you may face disciplinary action.
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Arizona here. Our tiny southern town has an Ace, Safeway and Walmart. Ace is super stupid, I will never shop there and I don't need to as there is a great lumber yard/hardware store that has never bought into the masks just a mile away from Ace. Safeway has gotten rid of the floor signs but most employees are still in masks. I will only checkout with a maskless person. I only speak to or look at the maskless. Walmart is also stupid with stupid shoppers. I avoid the place and order online from other sites.

I have never ( I really mean NEVER.) worn a mask and will not get the stab.

Medical is the most difficult. My doctor sees me without a mask and I can get lab work done but if I was to have a serious illness I would more than likely die. It is my hill to die on and I will not change my mind. Frankly, death is more appealing than to live in this God forsaken world.

We live close enough to go to the dentist in Mexico. We are going to try that this week, if at any point I am not welcome without a mask I will simply leave.

Other than that, live is completely normal. Lol!!!
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I wonder how many other INTJs out there have decided not to take the jab? I bet the percentage is high.

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I live in Vancouver, on the Washington-Oregon border. Both states still have some sort of mask mandates. Both places I'm working at require them for moving around, but not sitting at one's desk or working alone in any room. My gym says you don't need the mask if you're vaccinated. In practice this means a "don't ask, don't tell" policy. I wear a neck gaiter coming in and going out the door, but not in the rest of the gym working out. Same for restaurants. I don't know about stores because my wife does most of the shopping. She says its about 50/50 on the mask wearing.

My general impression is that all of this is winding down. There is talk of the mask mandates, in Washington State, going away for everyone by the end of July. I don't know about Oregon. Kate Brown (governor) is being a twit. But the election is next year and she is not popular. She is to blame for the homeless problem (in Portland area) which is totally out of control.

Managers and office staff are keen to get vaccinated. Operations people are avoiding them like the plague. No surprise here. If the worse case ADE scenario materializes (which I actually think will not happen), we could end up as a country comprised mostly of operations people. This is not a bad thing at all. Not at all.
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The don't ask/don't tell approach will hopefully be what most employers use, even if there's some official pressure to encourage vaccination. I've gone into don't tell mode myself, and hope I don't have to resort to less indirect/more confrontational (Title VII) means.
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I wonder how many INTJ's are still at this forum. Karl did run a survey many years back and the numbers were pretty high.

Also at another forum I visited years back (now closed but info still exists) the Oil Drum.

They also had a huge percentage of INTJ. they ran the test there first and where I took it.

Interesting that both of these forums attracted INTJs, yet not. INTJ's go where the info is and determine if the sites are BS or stay and use them. I have always spread the OIL DRUM info and Karls, because as far as I have found it is always solid.

Be interesting to run that again for those that have not taken the "exam"

Me absolutely NO JAB, only wore a mask when it was an emergency or in a .gov building doing business that had to be performed. And I wore an old west bank robber bandana.

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We will be stuck with masks for a long time still. Its not about money or even the covid numbers. All these idiots have to now unlearn what has been psychological conditioned into them for a year before they will ever hear the truthful info. Come cold and flu season this will all start up again. I have already heard the set up--flu numbers disappeared last year probably due to the mask or distancing...Joe Rogan. Dont throw em away yet.

Still if you think about it, the whole thing is an interesting solution. Nobody uses biowarfare even as a cheap deterent because it goes all over and hits yourself. However if you could get a bad bug that isnt very communicable but lethal otherwise spread around enough to terrorize people and then give a vaxx miracle cure that incorporates the lethality of the original bug, well then the delivery system problem is solved!

Im still looking for a paper anywhere that shows how the ADE problem was solved.
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Here in Alabama I've not worn a mask since February. I ignore mask required signs and have decided I will walk out if challenged.

The mask mandates expired back in May and governor memaw's state of emergency ended yesterday. She and a whole host of other officials are trying to just get things back to normal and sweep the fact they were wrong for a year under the rug.

The health officials who led memaw about by the nose for the past year continue to pontificate and come up with completely wild nonsense like I posted about in the last thread. I have to suppress sinful levels of rage when they show up on my TV.
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This is a deep bunch of bull**** Karl and it is around the idea of extortion, not pandemic.

I heard Fauci had passed out $800 billion since he took that job years ago. I don't care how many years that is, he has been up to something with that much money. Over $20 billion a year. Forget about Wuhan. What the hell has this guy been doing that they were allowed to terrorize the world with this nonsense.

They evidently did a test run in 2019. It came out the bureaucracy was totally ill prepared for a pandemic. This ****er was released on us. It wasn't Trump that was ill prepared. It was the money pit called Washington DC that was and they weren't going to do anything to get ready, because they live off crisis and not off of success. If they had no plan in 2019, they didn't have one in 2014, 2009 (Swine flu and no restocking) or at any time. **** it up to the maximum.

What has Fauci been funding? Looks like a lot of mad science to me. Moderna supposedly had the framework for a vaccine in 2 days. Did they or did they have it given to them by some lab? How many of these bastards were loaded up on Moderna stock? Using our money to **** us.

It is time we get an investigation of our own. That is, the people instead of the government. An idiot knew the virus got out of the lab in China. But, was that the virus that hit us or another one? Are we having our attention diverted from what was really going on? Fauci owned the research industry at universities and other places. Were they all planning to screw us? Why no solution?

Social distancing and masks and wait? That is like being erect and having a beautiful woman ready next to you and going to sleep. No HCQ, no ivermectin. John Cullen did a video and the permit to use the vaccines was maybe illegal, as they had approved Remvesidir (SP?). They denied HCQ and ivermectin and the inhaler. Sit there and find out if you are going to die. The tests were also emergency use. Remember, the response was always Trump isn't a doctor. Well there seems to have been a lot of stupid doctors feeding the nonsense. Or were they just lying crooks, with a lot of government money to spend?

They have been playing with fire with these research projects, taking harmless viruses and making them deadly, so they can play with vaccines. Well, how many people did they kill this time? How many are they killing with their solutions, when they had a cheap solution.

How much allied nonsense did Fauci buy over the past 35 years or so with our money? You can buy a lot of silence, when you are dishing out $20 billion to God only knows how many universities every year. Isn't that where the******of American is happening, medicine and Educational institutions?

$800 billion is enough money to make 80,000 grants of $10 million each. Like Foreign Aid, now much of that money is just being stolen? The military budget for a year isn't $800 billion. What kind of monster has Fauci bought with our money, to use against us?

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@Bikemechanicdeux That's interesting. I didn't know about The Oil Drum, but I recognize the name Euan Mearns, as he occasionally posts on Small Dead Animals, which is on the SHORT list of sites I visit daily.

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My general impression is that all of this is winding down.

I think this is an illusion, and it's deliberate. The shots are being called (so to speak) by cold, calculating, sociopathic totalitarians. They have a process. And one of the steps -- the phase we're in right now -- is to let up the pressure for a time, give us a breather, lull us into relaxing... and then BAM!! Come down on us hard -- harder than before. They will repeat that cycle, ratcheting things up tighter and cruelest each time, until the populace is utterly defeated.
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@Mannfm11 I checked out https://reporter.nih.gov/ and it looks like NIAID hands out around $4.5 billion per year in publicly listed grants. For years it was in the $2 billion - $4 billion range per year.

I'm not sure what else Fauci may have influence over given his position, but even at $4 billion annually, that's still plenty of cheddar to spread around and buy the loyalty of an entire industry.
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You say you don't think the horrible ADE scenario most of us are dreading won't actually happen. Would you share with us why not?

I could use some hope today. As you can tell from my previous comment, I'm feeling pretty black-pill these days. If you've got some white pills, do share! Please!
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@Tinker88: Arizona here too. You will be pleasantly surprised by the dentists if you are going to Algodones(Yuma border). Been there and pleased with the outcome and price. And plenty of ivermectin 6mg tablets over the counter.
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Damn straight!! 1000% agreed!!! Just damn straight good sir!!! You rock Karl. I love to see truth and hear truth speakers. Please dont ever stop!!!

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Interesting...the major fitness chain I'm a member of got rid of all of thwt nonsense about 2 weeks ago. Almost like 2019 again there with exception of a few masked morons.
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Im with @Heartlander. I think its all an intentional plan to lull us into letting our guard down. Our rulers are psychos.

The whole world is one big ****ing scam
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