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2021-06-07 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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.... guns, that is.

You might need them.

Citing firearm sale reports on the southwestern border, Chipman claimed the ATF defines an assault rifle as “any semi-automatic rifle capable of accepting a detachable magazine above the caliber of .22, which would include a .223, which is, you know largely the AR-15 round.”

So basically any rifle that fires one round for each depression of the trigger and can accept a magazine, other than a .22.

Why?

Because any rifle that can accept a magazine can accept one of any size.

Note that there is no legal definition of an "assault rifle."  By definition any weapon used offensively against a person is an assault, so such is an "assault rifle", since a person committed an assault with it -- whether it's fired or not.

The military has a definition, which is a select-fire rifle.  That is, a rifle which, by operation of a selector switch, can fire either once when the trigger is depressed or some number of times greater than one, including (but not necessarily) continually until the ammunition is exhausted.  In civilian and legal parlance a weapon which can fire more than once with each press of the trigger, whether all the time or by choice of the operator (e.g. by putting a switch in a specific position) is called a machine gun.

So what Chipman basically said is that he'd ban anything he could, Constitution be damned.

May I remind you that Miller, the "first" real gun control decision at the Supreme Court, said that weapons suitable for use by the military and infantry in particular, are in fact militia weapons and protected under the Second Amendment.  That case turned on whether a sawed-off shotgun was such a weapon.  The government lied, incidentally, in claiming it wasn't: Not long before that they had in fact not only ordered but used short-barrel shotguns in WWI.  They were rather handy in trench warfare, you see, where the length of a regular rifle was a problem for the person using it.

But enough of history -- oh wait, not quite enough.

You see, Chipman has apparently lied before; he was at Waco during the Branch Davidian disaster, but he apparently claimed last year that the Branch Davidians shot down two Texas ANG choppers with Barrett .50 caliber rifles.  Problem: Zero choppers were in fact shot down.  His was grilled on this during his testimony and now claims they were forced down.  Uh, there's no evidence of that either that I can find.

The reality of the BATFE is that much of what they do is unconstitutional -- blatantly so.  Then again so is much of other areas of the law these days, if you actually believe the Constitution means what it says.  For example, the Fourth Amendment is quite-clear and does not admit the capacity to search or seize without a warrant, yet that is violated daily.  Then there are all manner of constraints on taking, which did occur at the behest of various agencies and arms of the Federal Government over the last year.  Some people got very rich from all that taking and others got poor or displaced.  As just one example of many rent forbearance is flatly illegal by government mandate unless the government covers all of the landlord's anticipated cash flow including his profit because it is a taking by the government.  The 5th Amendment forbids this, except with just compensation.  There has been no compensation -- just or otherwise.

So-called "critical race theory" and set-asides as Biden put into place only for non-whites when it comes farms and other places is blatantly illegal.  So says the 14th Amendment.  Further, the 14th Amendment incorporates all of the Constitution's protections against states, forbidding the states to engage in discrimination.  That came out of the end of slavery -- and has been routinely ignored.

Note that the 14th Amendment does not care whether the reason is race, color, creed, religion or otherwise: Laws, policies or other mandates by the government, whether state or federal, that explicitly favor one person over another are unconstitutional -- period.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

How hard is that to understand?

The Constitution is never more than one action by the government away from extinction.  The entire purpose of the 2nd Amendment is that so long as it stands as intended it will never need to be used as the government and its agents fully understand there are more of "us" than "them", and therefore acts that are repugnant to the Constitution, should the people decide the government must stop them, will stop.

Chipman does not respect this.  In fact, he would set fire to the whole thing.

That hasn't happened before where he's conveniently been, has it?

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During this entire "COVID thing" the Government has demonstrated that it's prepared to murder every man, woman, and child not in its own closed circle of friends. Handing your guns, any guns, over to the Federals or their lackeys in state government is no different from handing your guns over to a bunch of psychopathic murderers who've invaded your home. In either case, eventually, the bad guys are going to get around to murdering you.
Better to keep your guns and be prepared to stand your ground. Start organizing neighborhood defense groups now before they're actually needed.
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Joe Huffman on his blog " A View From North Central Idaho", blog.joehuffman.org, has had this Face**** post pinned to the top of his site for some time now. Sure I am speaking to the choir here,but as Joe likes to repeat, don't ever let them say they don't want to confiscate your guns.

You *can* legislate culture. You just dont have the guts to do it. Prohibition was half-assed. The war on drugs is half-assed. Let me tell you how you *actually* get guns banned.

You use the ****ing data that the NSA has. You check membership in gun clubs, you check the surveillance footage to see whos a regular at shooting ranges. You check the people who are associated with the NRA. You get yourself a good long list of the people in America who love guns.

Then at random, regular intervals, you do spot checks on them. Stop-and-Frisk them in the streets, get warrants and search their houses, monitor their online activities. Conduct raids and spot checks.

And when you inevitably catch these ****ers with banned material? You dont haul them into a cushy prison. Once the gavel comes down, you haul their asses into the town square or the main road or whatever the local equivalent is and you execute them. Make sure everyone sees. Make sure they get a good, hard look at the fate that awaits those that disobey the law.

Perform this ritual thrice a month or more for the length of a full year, and we see how many black markets people try to set up, how many Mafia members try to muscle in, with the threat of summary detention, with the threat of public execution.

And if people rebel? If people get angry and erupt into civil war? Then you put them down. I do not care if they are MAGA NRA members or poor black people trying to scrape a living. Those who violate the law have no place in civilized society.

Perform things as I lay out, and I guarantee you that America will be free of guns in a years time. Except you wont because you pussies that care more about civil liberties than properly enforcing legislation.

Molon labe
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Joe has also been talking about such people as Ms. Aires, (author of above missive)
Being prosecuted under

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/.... or https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/....

basically conspiracy to deprive one of their constitutional rights. Maybe this ******* should be the test case.

We'll, a man can dream can't he?

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Riverrat, The person that wrote that piece is correct. You can cow a very high percentage of the population with those tactics. It worked in France for the Germans in WWII. The problem is the few that don't knuckle under. They can and will do disproportionate damage to your government and infrastructure.
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Riverrat

That might work.

But the germans couldn't get parts of Europe (not counting the USSR) to knuckle under using brutal tactics.

Greece had a number of active insurgencies the whole war.

So that will work in some areas, but not in others.
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Engineertype wrote..
The person that wrote that piece is correct.
No, the person who wrote that is full of crap.
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You can cow a very high percentage of the population with those tactics.
Correct, but only for a short time. Very quickly, the tide will turn.
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The problem is the few that don't knuckle under. They can and will do disproportionate damage to your government and infrastructure.
As others have written in the past, when the "don't knuckle under" types, instead of concentrating on the gov't and/or infrastructure, make the families of the gov't goons and officials the ones who pay the price for the actions of the goons and officials, the enforcement mechanism ceases to work. (For those who are appalled by such a tactic, I suggest that when gov't utilizes terror tactics against the people, the only viable means of resistance is terror tactics against the gov't and its goons. To do anything less is simply delaying suicide.)
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It worked in France for the Germans in WWII.
True, but the comparison is totally invalid. Attempting to draw parallels between a foreign military occupation and a gov't attempting to subjugate its own population is generally not fruitful. The French resistance could only take actions against the occupying German forces, and troop and materiel losses are always to be expected in all military operations. The resistance could take no actions against German infrastructure or gov't officials within Germany, or against the families of the troops or officials, thus it could not break the German will to continue their occupation. If the German forces and gov't officials knew that for every atrocity they committed, an equivalent or greater atrocity would befall their families, the occupation would not have succeeded.

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I imagine the terror would extend all the way down to individual voters whove loudly supported unconstitutional laws. Im no expert by any means but I imagine plenty of low level collaborators were killed by the resistance in the occupied countries during the war.

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If you want to change the 2nd Amendment then pass a new Amendment. Until then you can **** Off.

That should be the position of everyone. If we need to have this conversation and 2/3 of the states want to change it then do so. Until then - **** Off.

Anyone that doesn't understand that this is how the Constitution was written can **** Off now.

I personally might be more liberal minded than some of you on gun control. But I guarantee you I can read the ****ing Constitution.

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You can cow a very high percentage of the population with those tactics.

Even 99.99% wouldn't be enough.

Remember how much chaos two guys in an old Chevy Caprice caused in the DC area in late 2002?

Or a disgruntled former policeman in LA in 2013?
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Peterm, I understand your points, but respectively disagree. I personally believe that our present government IS an occupying force and therefor the comparisons are valid.
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Themortgagedude wrote..
If you want to change the 2nd Amendment then pass a new Amendment.

Wrong perspective.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't read "The people shall have the right to keep and bear arms"; it reads "... shall not be infringed".

Every person ever born started with the right to effectively defend themselves against unwarranted aggression.

Those unfortunate souls who died coughing-up their lungs in the "showers" of the Reich had the right to keep and bear arms. What they didn't have was the freedom (and will) to exercise that right.

Repealing the 2nd Amendment won't remove our right to keep and bear arms.
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If you want to change the 2nd Amendment then pass a new Amendment. Until then you can **** Off.


Every single person whose co-operation is needed to do this is a politician. Every single one. Article 6 says State Legislatures and Congress. The general public gets ****-all to say about it.

Further, the number of these people whose co-operation is needed amounts to a MINORITY of this group. 51% of 38 out of 50 Legislatures is ~ 38% of the State politicians. (The 200-odd Federal politicians needed are few compared to the total.)

With this advantage in the rules, that they haven't been able to bother to go back and do it right says... something.
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Whatever Constitutional interpretations we can argue from the confirmation hearing, can we all agree that Chipman is a total douche?
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Chipman needs a date with a wood chipper. Any agent of government making flat out lies should have been dismissed with no chance of rehire period.

This is how corrupt the law enforcement agencies have become

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@Vernonb -

Not just "law enforcement agencies" but the entire gov't apparatus, from top to bottom.

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@themortgageman

It takes 3/4ths of the states to approve a new constitutional amendmen.
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Pull that ****. Go ahead.

Splodey heads all around!


Once you start to kill us, you better make sure you get all of us, because if you don't we're going to erase your entire bloodline from your infant child up to your grandparents right before your very eyes.

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And lest we forget look at the chaos a few BLM and AntiFA members were able to cause with a few cans of gasoline and some matches in tinder dry California. That approach was arguably more effective than any "assault" weapon.
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They ain't changing the 2nd Amendment. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

They know it and that's why they try this incremental bull****. Change the amendment or sit the **** down. It says what it says. Shall not be infringed.

The reason they don't try to change is it two fold.
1. They know it won't pass.
2. To do so would acknowledge that "shall not be infringed" means what it says.


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@Peterm99
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Attempting to draw parallels between a foreign military occupation and a gov't attempting to subjugate its own population is generally not fruitful.

I agree with you on that much. The parallel, then, is to Josef Stalin. And unfortunately, the power of HIS state over its inhabitants was absolutely total. THAT, I think, is what we face if current trends continue.

The success of 2020's global psy-op depresses me. I myself was terrified of Covid for months. I'm reading Joost Meerloo's book "The******of the Mind" (bought it after watching the video about mass psychosis that I linked in my comment upthread) -- and to recognize that I myself had my mind raped for several months last year -- when I don't even have TV and don't get any newspapers! -- is profoundly disturbing. That's the horrible thing about mind control: You don't realize it's happening to you.
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Engineertype wrote..
It worked in France for the Germans in WWII. The problem is the few that don't knuckle under.

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But the germans couldn't get parts of Europe (not counting the USSR) to knuckle under using brutal tactics.

Greece had a number of active insurgencies the whole war.


Nope. The Axis powers lost the war in the most part because of the external force - USA, Britain, USSR - and compared to that, small insurgencies here and there were insignificant.

Yes, they helped where they could, in some places made a big nuisance of themselves, and helped Allies where they could, but ultimately, if there was no external force (USA / Britain / USSR) to actually win the war, they would have lost.

And these serious forces would have won even without any local insurgencies helping them. At most, these helped shorten the war for a bit, but they would not have won on their own.

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@Heartlander -
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The success of 2020's global psy-op depresses me. I myself was terrified of Covid for months. I'm reading Joost Meerloo's book "The******of the Mind" (bought it after watching the video about mass psychosis that I linked in my comment upthread) -- and to recognize that I myself had my mind raped for several months last year -- when I don't even have TV and don't get any newspapers! -- is profoundly disturbing. That's the horrible thing about mind control: You don't realize it's happening to you.

I learned mind-**** out of necessity at a quite-young age. Whether that's a good thing or bad in the general sense is a matter of some debate, but one indisputable good is that it has made me basically immune to it when others try to run it on me.

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@Tickerguy

Yes. The later parts of the book get into how to protect yourself against mind-rape. I'm still at the beginning, but I've flipped ahead enough to get the idea that you have that thing -- mental toughness, strong ego, keen powers of bull****-detection, or whatever else you want to call it -- that serves a person very well in immunity to thought-control.
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It didn't come easily.

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