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Capcomp
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Speaking of VAERS, https://vaers.hhs.gov/ has been down for routine maintenance since Friday night, bullsh*t.
Susanlauren
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@Tickerguy. Oh **** is right.

@Edwardteach. I don't think it would be preexisting condition because they have been on that health insurance plan for years. Pre-existing condition only excludes for a couple of years and this is someone with absolutely NO PRIOR cardiac issues. I am going to work to find out why it is being denied.

@ Jcw. That is excellent advice. Pro tip of the day. I will pass it on. There is nothing to prevent one from saying on recorded device that the conversation is being recorded and you assume consent since they (the health insurance or life insurance company) are recording the conversation from their end.

I don't know if a representation by the customer service people will bind the company to coverage if the summary plan description includes a zipper clause or something along the lines of verbal representations are not a guarantee of coverage and cannot invalidate written provisions of the plan.

In other words, if exclusion from coverage is in writing in the SPD it may not matter what customer service or an insurance agent said. I think everyone here should get a copy of their SPD/ policy because I willing to bet there is language along the lines of No Coverage for health complications arising out of experimental procedures.

@Heartlander. Yeah. I bet there is reluctance/ disincentive to report adverse reactions if it means no health insurance coverage. "We have no idea how this happened, Rare occurrence. Luck of the draw. Nope. It can't be vaccine related."

The father of your nephew in law is lucky to be alive. That is the type of set up for massive hemorrhage ... Very scary. I am sorry that happened to him.


Asimov
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Quote:
"My guess is Pfizer mRNA is considered an experimental study drug with exclusion under the health insurance plan for any complications stemming from the jab."


I can tell you that there's nothing, or at least nothing easy to find, in one of the nation's larger health insurer's knowledge base concerning this.

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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

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Lemonaid
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People are sheep.

It's not hyperbole either.

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"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved." Ludwig von Mises
Zappafan
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I know it is stupid to lionize one man, but De Santis is a hero in my eyes. He's also a Harvard Law school grad.

God looks after fools, drunks and Florida. A few thousand votes in the other direction and they would have had a literal crack ***** for a governor.

These lame-ass, woke CEOs folded up like the eunuchs they truly are. Nice job, De Santis!

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The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue ... At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they'll just take down the scenery, they'll pull back the curtains, they 'll move the tables & chairs out of the way & you'll see the brick wall at the back of the theater
Lemonaid
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Yeah, DeSantis better get voter ID laws firmly in place.

These ghouls will be gunning to rig the next Florida governorship runoff.

Control the governorship and then let the vote shenanigans blossom.

Florida is precariously Red.

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"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved." Ludwig von Mises
Jw.
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If my healthcare does not cover the issues created from the jab they will need to explain why they issued me a letter that says the jab "is perfectly safe and developed properly just like the flu vaccine".

Can't be selling me something marketed as good but then not be on the hook for the bad involved in the product you're selling.

Not like I will ever get the jab produced these medical retards.

And I hope the entire healthcare industry goes under from their lack of following the actual science behind this COVID bull****. Any doctor that supports this vaccine should be hung. Any hospital that denies care from the shot they administered should be forced to pay out every penny they have and then be shut down.

Good riddance.

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"Why yes, I am trying to destroy the planet. I want your children to live in the hell they deserve..."
Susanlauren
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@Whitehat. On one level I completely understand where you are coming from. I am angered by how friends and neighbors have responded to my attempts to warn them against the jab. I have taken personal and professional risks to make information available to them. To the person, every single thing I have said along with every article, resource, research study, etc. has been entirely disregarded. I have no doubt that when they become seriously ill, it will be MY FAULT in some strange and perverse way.

On the other hand, I get how people trust the system, trust their doctor and trust the local public health department that sends out a lovely glossy post card encouraging people to do their part to protect themselves and their community by getting the jab. The truth is being censored and hidden and supressed. Yes it can be found and people are busy with jobs, family, church and community activities. No one expects this level of evil to show up at their doorstep.

What I feel is sadness and grief for this couple/ friends. I do not wish them harm and it is very likely that both of their days are significantly numbered. If I weren't as critical and cynical and well read and maybe just lucky to happen upon the resources I have ... I could be them. This saga, I fear, is going to play itself out again and again and again until no one remains who got the jab. Hell on earth awaits us all -including those who REFUSED the jab.
Rickylc
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Lansing Michigan
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Thank you @Whitehat.

Mjsmith
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United States
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Susanlauren wrote..
I am going to work to find out why it is being denied.
Speculating here, but one possible explanation may be the insurance companies see a tsunami coming?

The insurance companies don't need VEARS for reliable data. If there's so much as a miniscule deviation in certain kinds of claims from their actuarial projections, I guarantee you, the insurance companies are 100% aware of that deviation, and are in possession of the best available data for revised projections.

Of course I'm speculating here. The explanation could be as simple insurance company greed. Deny claims and make them sue you.

Susanlauren
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@Mjsmith. It has to be a tsunami of claims on the way. I can't believe the actuaries factored in any of these high dollar complications which are more likely than not related to the death jab. These people should be very low cost in terms of health care expenses - not exceeding deductible amounts for an entire year. That is not what is taking place. What is the cost of ideopathic thrombocytopenia with a week long hospital stay and a complete cancer work up only to find nothing wrong? Multiply that single case by a factor of God knows how many. Pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis, clotting and bleeding disorders side by side, strokes, seizure disorders, neurological issues, pulmonary compromise and damage (hypoxia, acute respiratory distress and failure, pneumonia), cardiac issues, life threatening anaphylactic reactions and the list goes on. And in YOUNG people. None of this should be happening. Each of these health insurance companies will be eating "safe, effective and necessary" with respect to the death jabs. Bull****. I suspect health insurance premiums for next year will literally skyrocket. You know damn well that the insurers won't be eating these costs. And it isn't just about the money; it is about people's lives and futures. If they live, we are talking bout severely compromised functioning/ lives - maybe forever.
Shadowmask
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@Susanlauren

Do your part by...
Eating carby foods, especially grains;

Popping pills, pills, and more pills to "fix" side effects;

Taking an experimental medical treatment.

The glossies never explain that they're doing their part lining medical coffers, but some folks stop trusting when the medical advice makes them feel like **** every day. Others really are either lazy or stupid and they pay for it. And there's not a damn thing anyone else can do about it.

It sucks watching people commit suicide by lifestyle.
Tickerguy
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A True American Patriot!
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@Susanlauren - Yep.

I wrote those premium checks for a young workforce when I ran MCSNet. I also have a fairly decent idea of exactly how much health care those employees used. "What is Zero, Alex?"

Statistically speaking I would be willing to bet on an actuarial basis this roughly doubles the exposure for people in this age group.

Yeah, that good and no, they won't eat it.

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Kokobeware
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The WTF moment of the weekend for me.

Took a relative to get their 2nd jab on Friday evening at the largest "jab center" in the state. As we approached the check-in area, here were a few of the signs; "do your part", "stop the spread", "keep everyone safe".

It's was like a ghost town. There were 30-40 staffers and ZERO, yes ZERO, people waiting to get jabbed. It took my relative 5 minutes. No wait at all.

On our way out, there was a single sign ... "SIGNS OF A STROKE" ... Good Lord. RUFKM!!! What a FKD up world we live in.

The good news, it certainly appears peak jab is behind us as there is literally no demand where I live.
Mjsmith
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Susanlauren wrote..
Multiply that single case by a factor of God knows how many. Pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis, clotting and bleeding disorders side by side, strokes, seizure disorders, neurological issues, pulmonary compromise and damage (hypoxia, acute respiratory distress and failure, pneumonia), cardiac issues, life threatening anaphylactic reactions and the list goes on. And in YOUNG people.
That's my point. For all these events that "we" hear about anecdotally first hand, second hand, third hand, through whatever grapevine or alt-media we have access to...

The insurance companies have near 100% complete, near 100% accurate, near real-time access to to every single one of these events (where the person sought medical care that involved insurance billing).

You can be sure the insurance companies, for their own internal use, are slicing dicing and analyzing that data along every dimension conceivable.

If there's even the tiniest blip anywhere it doesn't belong, they are fully aware of it, well ahead of anyone else.



Susanlauren
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I want to thank each and every one of you on this website. I can't begin to tell you how much I appreciate your insights, feedback, life experience and so forth. You keep me sane and grounded. This is my sanctuary. It is the only place I can come for critical thinking and an honest assessment of what is unfolding in our world today. No one (or at least very few in my world of friends, neighbors and colleagues) get it. Well, they will get it eventually, but by then it will be too late. I appreciate each and every one of you and I am grateful to our host for making this virtual platform available to us all.

Karl. What is absolutely astounding to me is that I would expect, at minimum, businesses and organizations to act in their own best (financial) interests. These companies are going all out to encourage the death jab when it will likely double their health insurance costs and exposure? That is simply madness if you want to continue as a going concern. How does anyone remain in business with this sort of decision making? For heaven's sake, why is this happening?
Scottj175
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Vandiver, AL
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@Tickerguy...apologies for just jumping in on a thread but wanted to bounce something to you without using Twitter just yet.

On my 10PM local news I saw Dr. Don Williamson, head of the Alabama hospitals association, interviewed. He let the cat out of the bag on how they're going to try and pin anything adverse from the jabs on the unvaxed.

In the interview he said that one unvaxed can transmit to another unvaxed and in that process a mutation happens that will get around the current vax.

I've been trying to find a version of the interview I can link to no avail but thought you'd like the heads up as to what one of the next likely lie is going to be.
Edwardteach
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Here be dragons
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@Susanlauren There are a few other good places out there. SDA in canada is pretty good, and there are a few firearms forums too that have a lot of like-minded people.

I'm glad I stumbled onto this place too. I just happened on it by accident...the Science Catches up and Burns You article was posted on another blog I frequent, and I thought it was so good I downloaded it to my hard drive in case it disappeared (I've been doing that a lot). It was essentially a distillation of much of what I'd already been thinking for more than a year, especially the bit about the Diamond Princess. I was gratified that someone else I'd never encountered had reached the same conclusions (I like to add the Theodore Roosevelt into that analysis as well). Then when I looked at some of the comments, I decided it was worth hanging around.

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Fumei
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Susan, in da biznes wurld in the USSA, at least since the Gipper was el presidente, focusing on the next quarter is more important than next year, which more important than the year after that. Long term planning is for communists. They especially love 5 year plans. Amongst their generational plans, the Long March through the Institutions has been an outstanding success.

The USSA is currently being run using the Guinean business model known as "the bust out", in which quarterly profits are the most important.

Eventually the businessmen will sell rope to the communists, because that is the next hot and growing market. You cannot get richer and richer if you are in heaven.
Goldbrick
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Those companies' costs will only increase if the affected person is still alive next year. Sheesh, not long ago I would have called a statement like that crazy talk.

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--Michael Corleone

"Instead of cursing the darkness, light a CONgressman."
Txdg00
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Part of what's going on: Most businesses and organizations are run by people who, while they may be "book smart" in their respective fields, cannot think critically and make decisions for themselves. They can't think ahead beyond the next 6 minutes, or the next 6 inches, in front of where they are right now.

Combine that with the fact that they tend to be petty tyrants who suffer from a god complex. Then add in the never-ending brainwashing and their willingness to abdicate responsibility by going along to get along because it's so much easier to follow the "experts" (even when the experts contradict themselves or are obviously wrong or lying).

Robackrman
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@Susanlauren Their health insurance costs have not doubled yet but if they do it would be ironic if those *not* vaccinated became desirable job candidates (through whatever subtle mechanism that would be determined).
Mannfm11
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DFW, Tx
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Hopefully there will be a full investigation on Fauci and the other NAZI actors, in these organizations and the entire country will give them the finger. The lines should put in a waiver for Ivermectin and provide a doctor, if they need a script. You never know, it might make the cruise safer in other matters.

On an aside, I heard a Doctor say Fauci had passed out $800 billion over his career. I wrote back to my brother in law, who sent me something about Doctor Social Distancing and Mask. I thought to do the math. $800 billion is 8000 grants of $100 million and 80,000 for $10 million. Wonder who got this money and what they did with it? Fauci has been protected like an Emperor, likely due to how much of this money found its way into the pockets of media and politicians. This guy holds the purse strings to many billions annually for universities, big pharma, international swampers and who knows what else?

There should be a citizens committee look into what Fauci has been doing with this money, who has been getting it, if it produced any real results. About all I can tell, from where I sit, is he has put a lot of emphasis on finding uses for failed, useless and dangerous drugs and vaccines. $800 billion is over 10 years budget for the State of Texas government.

One other thing I heard was they knew in 1974 that HCQ was effective in inhibiting viral replication. Think about the flu vaccines and stuff like Tamiflu that might have never come about, had HCQ been used. In short, how many trillions has this bastard helped rip off?

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Mannfm11
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The real crime is anything not endorsed by the MSM is a conspiracy site. There is no investigation in media any more and censoring of anything that goes against the narrative. You can bet the doctors and researcher reporting anything negative are not of Fauci's payroll. I wonder how much of medias ad revenue comes from pharma?

There is enough out there on how dangerous these vaccines are potentially, I'm shocked almost nothing is reported about it. The truth comes out and they hammer it down. I suspect the death toll, from the shots exceeds deaths solely caused by CV19. Note, a positive 40 cycle CV19 test confirmed death associated with CV19, but death or sickness following a shot? People under 60, the shot should be a big suspect, not ignored.

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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Susanlauren wrote..
What is absolutely astounding to me is that I would expect, at minimum, businesses and organizations to act in their own best (financial) interests. These companies are going all out to encourage the death jab . . . How does anyone remain in business with this sort of decision making?
Short answer: Contrary to what most people tend to believe, even "smart"people in responsible positions tend to have exactly the same type of response to subjective, emotional factors as the average person in the street. They are generally much better at decision-making ONLY if they are fact- or experience-driven objective decisions. You should note that the proffered arguments for the COVID jabs are NOT objective, logical arguments to persuade rational people of the benefits, but are almost purely emotion-laden, fear-inducing propaganda coupled with "appeal to authority".

Thus, since there is no basis from which most people can make rational decisions about the jab***, the decision is almost entirely fear and emotion driven, even for people in responsible positions. Only much later, when the fear and emotion is not uppermost in their thoughts about COVID and the jabs, will they include things like bottom-line impacts in the cost-benefit calculus - of course, by then, it won't make much difference as the actions will already have been taken.


***Actually, there is, but it requires more time, effort, etc. (to say nothing of sufficient intellect to assess the information) than most people are willing or able to expend.

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". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance beyond Orwells imaginings falls into place." - Fred Reed
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