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2021-06-06 09:17 by Karl Denninger
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It's over folks.

All it takes is one.

In a news release touting "comeback for summer sales", Royal Caribbean said guests were strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated. 

However, those who were unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination would have to go through testing and other protocols, which the cruise line said it would announce at a later date. 

Which will be, I predict... nothing.

And here's why -- Florida's law as of July 1st, which is before their first sailing, fines businesses $5,000 for each person who they demand evidence of vaccination from.

So no, they can't ask in a way that matters.  If they try to segregate you in that fashion it's $5,000 per person who they obtain the information from and use.  If they attempt to play fast and loose with this they'll lose.  Notice they're not talking about what protocols and testing at this time -- it's simply yet another threat to try to get you to take the jab.

**** 'em.

These ships hold thousands; this is thus a several million dollar fine per sailing.  Ain't gonna happen.

I'll bet Carnival will be right behind them, and in addition there's another wrinkle too; nobody as customers are going to put up with constraints on shipboard life, such as masks and such.  If it's not the experience people expect, especially considering that there's none of that crap anywhere else in the country anymore there will be lots of empty ships and bankrupt cruise lines.

Oh sure, some of the old folks will go anyway, and not care.

But not many, especially if there are "social distancing" and "mask" requirements.  I personally like cruises but I will not book anything if I will be expected to wear masks, distance and cannot go to the buffet, bar, casino or lounge in the hottub with a drink.  Sorry, that's non-negotiable and I'm not taking the jab either.  It's my money and if you want it you will provide the experience I expect and have had in the past or I'll spend the money somewhere else.  I will not considering booking such a cruise until and unless it is clear I'll get that experience and the representation is made in writing and thus is enforceable.

I predicted the crazy would end, and it is.

It's not completely over yet, but it only takes one leg to get kicked out from under a three-legged stool and it's over.

All of this has gone one direction now for months.  Expecting it to not continue, including the folding of those screaming for "muuuuhhhh mandates!" is the wrong-way bet.  Place it if you'd like but I'll take the under on that.

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Blanca
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I can't figure out what's going on with these woke businesses. Do they really want to reduce their customer base by one-third? Do they think most people will be willing to wear masks around the swimming pool?

I'm with you. Let them go bankrupt. They will get no money from me.

Kudos to Florida.
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Yep.

Go ahead,******off one third OR MORE of the nation and see how your customer count looks.

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The most normal social experience in America is a Southeast Conference college baseball stadium.

God bless the SEC.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g3MkT9Kjbr....

This video should be required watching for ALL institutional leaders who deign to persist COVID restrictions.

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The most normal social experience in America is a Southeast Conference college baseball stadium.

Super spreader event.
Reckless bastards!
I bet the bodies are piling up in the streets as we speak.

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It's obvious that the government, and the corporations that profit from the jabs, are having to employ new tactics to persuade, cajole, or force people to take the jab. I don't see the remaining adults who have chosen not to be vaccinated changing their minds at this point unless life can be made extremely unpleasant for them. Those I know who have refused the jab have been made more resolute in their decision, particularly with the increasing evidence that the vaccines are not safe or effective.
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local place that pre COVID-BS i really enjoyed going to reopened a few weeks ago. Have not been there. Person who works at the place contacted me and asked if i was stopping in. Asked if i walked in would i see ZERO masks, employees and customers alike and ZERO modifications from the pre-BS period. The answer did not satisfy. In addition i informed that the requirements from me are that the business ban any customers from doing things like wearing masks. Since i knew that my message would get to the owner as my contact asked if she could relay the thoughts, i closed with that i am the money god to any business. Not that i expect to walk all over people in their private concerns, it is mutual agreement but i am ultimately what he needs not the other way around.

Side note that some here might remember that this was the place that i was seriously considering purchasing right before COVID-BS. The owner is a good guy, no way would kick a man when he is down. The reply to his employee was to help him understand the gravity of the situation.

Folks, this is how to win which in many cases we are doing, just not enough. It is not simply enough to accept no mask requirement. No, you want them banned. Whenever one is winning in battle or a fight, keep hitting when the opponent is on the ground until he does not get up. When conservatives and libertarians win by getting rid of an offense they STUPIDLY forget to gain ground. It is not enough to hold the enemy back and then go back to being responsible chumps supporting the system. Never be satisfied. You want to punish, take, grab, destroy and serve an example that they are going to pay a price for this ****.

It is not enough for the govt inc to stop this **** and let people get back to life as is, you want heads to roll figuratively, agencies closed and dismantled, careers destroyed, dishonest researchers mowing lawns for new careers.

Get the taste of blood in your mouth.

Related example, it is like we say to White men who have been intermediated by affirmative actions and other things. it is not enough that the meritocracy is restored. We want reparations, restorations or else no peace or contributions.

Demand the impossible or the very costly and one usually gets it.

DO NOT SETTLE. Have a lot of non-negotiable demands. Make it clear that if certain compromises are all that you get, you want nothing.

This last point is something that they really hate in so many venues.

How much stuff even before this **** did you tolerate? You got used to tolerating for way too long that it became a habit.

No more bad habits. Just say no.

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I'm sort of surprised that BLM, et.al, have not gone after cruise lines as being a White Man Thing, with oppressed workers being the slaves to the rich oppressors on the upper decks. Visiting slave ports as tourist destinations, that sorta thing.

It's probably just a matter of time.

ZFG.
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I was scheduled to donate blood to the red cross last week. I cancelled the appointment when I found out I would need to wear a mask since I am not vaccinated. I sent an email to the Red Cross explaining my cancellation, their response, they will remove me from their contact list. I guess the blood shortage is not critical after all. I would think they would want my clean blood.

I agree, if the business has a sign up regarding any CDC mask nonsense, my money stays in my wallet.

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Do they really want to reduce their customer base by one-third? Do they think most people will be willing to wear masks around the swimming pool?

Those companies have obviously been infiltrated by Marxists during their continuing Long March through the Institutions. Ruining capitalist markets is deemed necessary for a Red Revolution. A country that is not communist and has a functional economy is a country robust to communist infection. Sheeple have been wearing masks for over a year, so the longer they can be buffaloed to wear them the more pliable they become. If the Marxists could they would like to sodomise the passengers to collect fecal samples to be tested for the Wuhan coronavirus, just like the Gooks do in Zhina. https://asiatimes.com/2021/02/beijing-fa....
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Financial and personal responsibilities won't allow me to move, yet, but I will. I currently live in Washington and work in Oregon. Even though both have said you can go without a mask if you have been genetically modified, I rarely see anyone in any business that isn't masked. It is happening, but not often.

I am guessing businesses are trying to comply with the 'orders' and 'mandates' and do not understand these aren't laws. Some state governors are still operating under emergency powers and until those are rescinded, licenses can/will still be suspended and fines given out, for not following "the rules."

I am certain that is true in these two states.
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I admire all you guys and needed to hear this rousing call to non-tolerance. I'm a work in progress. My boldest step so far has been not wearing a mask even w
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. . .******off one third OR MORE of the nation and see how your customer count looks.
Not arguing against what you write in this Ticker, however this works in both directions and some businesses are caught between a rock and a hard place when "legal" mandates or prohibitions force them into taking one side or another of a controversial issue. With the country as polarized as it is, it's often a matter of which segment of the population they are forced (or choose) to******off: although they are prohibited from using "vaccine passports" or the like, they can choose to enforce masking, social distancing, etc. and lose people like you as potential customers, or they can choose to not enforce them and lose the "sheeple" segment of the potential customer base. Either way, they lose potential customers and they will have to figure out which position will cause them to lose the least. (I expect that the "sheeple" segment is much larger than the "reasonable" segment, at least while the truth of the entire COVID story continues to be suppressed from the general population by TPTB.)

Absent legal mandates, the most reasonable option for not pissing off segments of the customer base is to take NO "corporate position" on any issue that is not directly applicable to the core function of the business, e.g., some fast-food company's opinion on whether transvestites should be allowed to compete in girls' athletics should interest nobody and the company should not take a "corporate position" on the issue. However, if they choose to do so, then either they support it and******off the right-thinking part of the customer base, or they oppose it and******off the "woke" side of the customer base. Either way, they will lose some customers they wouldn't have lost had they not articulated a corporate position at all.

It is little wonder that the "woke" phenomenon remains alive and even picking up speed as the "woke" crowd seems to be much more principled and less hypocritical in matters like this than the allegedly "non-woke" segment of the population. The "wokesters" actually apply economic and other pressure to businesses who oppose their views, the "non-wokesters" generally do not. E.g., most "non-wokesters" have no problem with drinking a Coke while ordering Nike-branded apparel from Amazon on their iPhones, etc., etc.

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I rarely see anyone in business that IS masked. I think I'm on the other side of the state from you Ceiii2000.
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Blanca wrote..
I can't figure out what's going on with these woke businesses.

They are FULL of WOKE snowflakes coming out of college.
Shareholders will have the ultimate say in this bull****.

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Progress. Small steps. Not to be the cup is empty type but what if: sanity and normalcy begin to return, and then ADE or midterm consequences and complications or cross reactivity to a similar virus or prion disease (or whatever) rears its ugly head. Say this happens going into the fall and winter. Then what. Folks are again terrified - even more so than before. Everything slams shut tighter than ever. I anticipate a lull and then the next phase or next level. I can't find the article at the moment, but I remember reading somewhere that the Chinese tried this same type of "vacine" with 100 human test subjects. In 18 months every single person was deceased from some sort of complication. And how many million in the US and around the world have gotten the death jab?
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I admire all you guys and needed to hear this rousing call to non-tolerance. I'm a work in progress. My boldest step so far has been not wearing a mask even when I go into places with a masks REQUIRED sign. This makes me feel like an outlaw -- a role I never asked for and am not comfortable with. I have been confronted by employees a few times, but I calmly refuse and start asking THEM questions, e.g., have they read any of the studies showing the near non-existence of asymptomatic transmission, or have they seen the studies showing the ineffectiveness -- indeed, harmfulness -- of masks?

I finally made a little card to hand to people:


Masks: Learn the facts

1. Masks don't stop viral
transmission.
https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

2. Asymptomatic spread is
extremely rare if not non-existent.
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/ready-hor....

3. Wearing a mask harms your own
health, depressing your immune
system.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article....

4. Wearing masks -- and constantly
being surrounded by masked people
-- is gravely harmful to children.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/202....

5. Masks are dehumanizing, which
damages the social fabric that holds
us together.
https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2....
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Oh dear God. It begins. I just got off the phone with a friend. A mutual friend - her husband and herself - got the death jab in January. By the end of March he was in the hospital. Cardiac issues and lungs filled with pus/ infection. He has been hospitalized three times over the last two months and still is not our of the woods. Forty something. No history whatsoever of cardiac issues. Perhaps the spiked protein collected in his heart and caused damage? Hospital would not file a adverse reaction report. She called the CDC herself. They refused to take a report from her. It gets better (or worse) - now her health insurance plan is refusing to pay the medical bills. Not sure why - my friend did not ask as so much information was being thrown at her all at once. She was just trying to process emotionally the news of a serious health issue in a good friend's husband. My guess is Pfizer mRNA is considered an experimental study drug with exclusion under the health insurance plan for any complications stemming from the jab. It begins. This is just my little world.
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@Susanlauren "My guess is Pfizer mRNA is considered an experimental study drug with exclusion under the health insurance plan for any complications stemming from the jab."

WOW.
I really really really would love to hear confirmation that this is in fact so.

...or are they simply trying to claim that he had some sort of "pre-existing health condition" that he never "disclosed" to them?

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@Tickerguy, score one more for the good guys.

@Susanlauren, that's just terrible news. So many people have been led to believe that the jabs would help them, and that freedom awaited via a needle. And then to be kicked in the nuts with crushing medical bills is simply evil.

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@Susanlauren and all:

This "you're not covered" bullshirt was expected.
Living in a one-party consent state, both medical insurance co and life insurance co have been "recorded for quality and training purposes" telling us that vexcine injury is covered like previous medical maladies and deaths.

If the insurance co's "crawfish"(not cover vexcine injury) on any co-workers who did not heed advice to avoid "this is our shot" and become injured, it will be tempting to share the above info with said co-worker.

For reference, Zoom makes amazing digital recorders for reasonable prices.
Daughter was given a Zoom H2 for recording college lectures(20 hour battery life on rechargeable Eneloop AA's). Also, I've been using a Zoom H4 for many years to record live music events. Both work great for recording speaker phone conversations if it is legal to do so in your state.
H2n: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/....
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Father of my nephew-in-law had his aorta separate after the shot --inner wall of the aorta PEELED AWAY from the outer wall (or vice versa), if I understand it right. Have you ever even heard of such a thing before?!?!

He is very fortunate that he is doing okay, is home, has been instructed to take it easy, and they're just monitoring him very closely. If it doesn't repair itself, they might have to do surgery.

Don't know if it's been reported to VAERS; my guess is no. Don't know about insurance, though now I'm keen to find out.

@Susanlauren, your story makes me wonder: Do you suppose some people are failing to report to VAERS precisely because of this insurance issue? That is, if you admit it's vax-related, you won't be covered, so it's best not to make explicit the connection between the shots and whatever horrible problem you experience? Best to say, "Gee, we can't imagine why this happened, it just came out of the blue"?

In my nephew's dad's case he did have pre-existing hypertension, so maybe they could somehow blame it on that. At least for insurance purposes...
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this is really turning out to be my day! This newest tragedy regarding Susanlauren's contact has me smiling. Financial ruin, family lives destroyed. It is like a Disney World of evil out there!

Think that this is mean, you ain't seen nothing yet. The worse that this gets, the better our job will be done for us.

I expect adults to have common sense. Well this contact of Susanlauren and their familiars just got an education in the concept.

All this **** where those of us desperately try to convince people to not do destructive things to themselves and then have to put up with the emotional drain, done.

Like most others would even consider doing the same for you. What's next, we get to fight for them and risk everything for some cause. Yea, been there, done that, nope.

This is going to turn out to be the biggest gods be damned told you so ever.

Turning out to be a great day.

Hope that he is miserable for the rest of his ****ing life. Maybe he will be appropriately motivated to use what is left of his existence productively.

Stupid should hurt.

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