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2021-06-03 09:08 by Karl Denninger
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Ok, so now we got it.

All the BS that happened at the start of the pandemic is now clear as to cause and why Fauci went bat****.

He knew he was in this up to his neck due to the NIH grants to Ecohealth.  And he had estimates coming out to him, not being disseminated to the public, of fatality rates in the 2-4% range.  That would mean two hundred million dead worldwide and somewhere around 4-8 million in the United States before the virus burned itself out.

There is also, in that email trove, a claim of exactly how the virus was generated in the Wuhan lab.  I cannot verify that as I don't have the chops, nor can I prove the provenance of the person who sent it to him -- never mind that unless that person had inside knowledge it may be a guess rather than proved fact.

If that CFR had been anywhere near accurate (it wasn't by the way; the IFR is actually around 0.15%, which is very close to a bad seasonal flu, but with a wild skew in risk toward older and more-morbid people) Fauci also had to know that anyone that had anything to do with the Wuhan lab and how it got funded was going to be lucky to get a decent burial; they might be hanged and left for buzzards to eat.

You can't argue with the provenance of the emails as they were officially produced under an FOIA, so the usual screaming of Russia-Russia-Russia and claims of tampered evidence won't work.  It is what it is, and what it shows is a man who was trapped and tried to "mitigate" his way out of a disaster his fingers were all over, and which he knew would be discovered since the grants to Ecohealth produced reported studies with the grant numbers on them.  There was utterly no way to prevent that from becoming public eventually.

This also fully explains the international fear porn game.  Virology is not a uniquely American or Chinese thing.  Research is done all over the place, the researchers hold symposiums and conferences, trade ideas, and as with any other profession there is a close-knit community of experts in the field.  They all knew damn well within days -- in January of 2020, in fact -- that their entire field was about to have an asteroid land on it as it was that early that the whistle was blown on sequencing in the virus that was extraordinarily unlikely to have occurred by chance and thus the probability was that the best possible explanation was an accident in Wuhan and the possibility of a deliberate dissemination could not be ruled out.

As I have pointed out in a discussion in The Bar on my system, just before all this crazy started -- right in front of Christmas, in fact, I witnessed Asian people, likely Chinese, in three separate WalMart stores across two states running their hands all over the laptop computers on display.  At the time I thought it was likely an organized ring attempting to figure out whether the security plugs (that set an alarm off if you try to steal them) were active or if someone had missed one, or if the lockdown bars were all secured.  After all these are high-value things and even in NW FL and TN in December it gets pretty chilly so concealing one under a coat is not hard.  Once this all started I had to wonder -- were those people attempting to deliberately spread virus around and sent over here by the Chinese government?  We'll never know, but it was enough of an oddity that it stuck in my head at the time.  Given the number of cameras in the typical WalMart I'm willing to bet that pattern was noted internally but likely thought of as a loss-prevention issue.  How's that theory looking now folks and gee, you've been awful quiet haven't you WalMart?  Where does a lot of your crap come from?  Uh huh.

But what we do also know from those emails is that Fauci tried to cover up what had apparently happened and he was thanked for "debunking" the lab leak hypothesis on television -- by EcoHealth which was doing work in the Wuhan Lab and thus was aligned with the CCP.  There is also a very odd coincidence between the furin cleavage portion of the virus (without which it would not be very infectious in humans at all) and a patent several years ago taken out by Moderna.  Moderna, for its part, has some interesting ownership connection "coincidences" reported that I cannot easily verify -- right back into China's CCP.  And finally there's the matter of said sequences being extremely unlikely to be random chance simply because they're in a conformation that is very unlikely in other than humans.

As I've said all the way back to the beginning of this thing when I noted those sequences my working hypothesis is that they were attempting to make a viral-vector vaccine of some sort, perhaps against SARS, and it got out "half-baked."  That's a reasonable explanation for the original event but not the cover-up, other than the fact that since this work was shut down by Obama due to this exact risk if it happened and was confirmed the entire profession was likely to get nuked from orbit, and all the people involved worldwide knew it.

The so-called "MSM" isn't even debating these parts of the email dump -- they're playing Ostrich instead, hoping they can bury it by "touting" all the "pressure" that was seen in the trove while ignoring that the archive damns not one man but entire professions including the vaccine/pharma connection.  Yes, there is even evidence that the intentional refusal to look at and use existing drugs and the "decision" on how they were going to deal with this goes back that far, before the first American died.  Bluntly put these people didn't just ignore the evidence that accumulated by the summer months they literally ignored it all the way back to the start and thus it can be reasonably argued they are personally responsible for all of the deaths.

If you want to know how you generate international hysteria you don't need some cabal pulling a puppet string.

All you need is for an entire profession involved in some very dangerous research to realize that they ****ed up and believe that through their ****up one percent or more of the population in their nation is about to die with nothing they can do about it, and if it gets pinned on them as it should since they caused it every one of them deserves to be swinging from a rope.

Oh, incidentally, Fauci also knew that masks in the general population were worthless.  He pointed this out directly; that the virus was too small and would go right though it.  His own words folks, as I've repeatedly pointed out but cannot say as "it's against the consensus of experts", according to Google, Facebook, Twitter and others, without being de-monetized, having videos pulled and risking being banhammered.  Now we know factually that Fauci stated this himself, so now the media and other "tech companies" are enforcing a position that the so-called "expert" generated with an intentional lie and they've maintained and forced that intentional lie for a year and are continuing to do so to this day.

Now you know how the hysteria, cover-ups and outright lying happened.

Now contaminate that with pharma money and you get what we're doing now.

Oh, you think this is not simply explained by fear (on their part) and corruption?

Do you believe they're telling the truth now about jabs when we now know, factually, they were lying all the way back to January of 2020?

Sorry folks, Occam's Razor says you're wrong if you buy into their bull****.  You were wrong then and you're wrong now; there is zero reason to believe they told the truth about anything, including early treatment, masks, distancing and the origin of the virus.

Put the so-called "research and public heath" institutions on this list too.  Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins, Mayo, all of them.  They're all in this up to their necks as they are all "feeders" into the CDC, NIH and FDA, they all run on grant money and all three of them and more knew damn well what was going on.  Every one of these institutions must be held criminally accountable, along with all the corporate "health" organizations that banned the use of early therapeutics and heavily-pushed both population level constraints (e.g. lockdowns, capacity restrictions, business closures and similar) along with known useless masks and now stabs.  That Fauci was involved in that up to his neck with regard to therapeutics was known originally; he himself was involved in a paper stating that chloroquine was a "near cure" for the original SARS!

There was no "evolution" in the thinking as time went on; these emails evidence an intentional coverup and the number of people he corresponded with make clear it was organized and intentionally spread through both public health and the entire virology and infectious disease line of work and were not the act of one man alone.

The real question is whether you will demand justice, and if the governments of the world will not organize and provide said justice ala Nuremberg up and down the line for everyone involved from so-called "scientists" to private-sector actors to government stooges then will you sit for that or not?

If not, and your loved one died as a result, where are your nuts?

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I enjoy watching overeducated ****heads squirm like worms. Does that make me a bad person?
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How do we demand justice from an utterly corrupt and compromised court system? Do you think there is any rule of law remaining in America? It is spotty at best. Certainly tar and feather and rope and lamp posts would work. But courts and lawsuits? Don't hold your breath.

Then there is another difficulty. A good percentage of the population has bought into the lies - hook, line and sinker. I have a colleague who thinks Fauci walks on water. Seriously. As this information gets out I can predict her response: fake news is attempting to discredit him.

It is far easier to con people than to convince them they have been conned.

Evidence, research, debate, contrary views, video documenting vaccine injury ... all of it has been censored and supressed. I have screamed into the wind to try and encourage folks not to get the death jab. I have failed miserably. I am done. They deserve it and own it all.

I have a neighbor who would tell me that if it isn't on CNN, then it didn't happen and isn't real. She and her husband would never watch Tucker Carlson's interview with Dr. Peter McCollough. Anything that contradicts the official narrative is cast aside as false.

I think we all know what needs to happen but it can't be written and/or printed.
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To add: when Fauci did his original position switch from "Masks don't work" to "Everyone mask up!", someone did call him on it. We were finally told - from Fauci - that he originally said that masks don't work because he was afraid we wouldn't have enough for the healthcare sector.

My comment at the time, and continues to this day... "OK Tony, were you lying THEN or are you lying NOW? You've already proven to be a ****ing liar, so why the **** should we believe ANYTHING you say at this point?"

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Fauci often moved to phone conversations, with little incriminating evidence in his outgoing mails.

Can his mobile records be found? This could be very interesting.

His boss Francis Collins seems to also be in on this.

Scientists that thought they were too smart with everyone else being dummies.
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NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE, on team jab has even given a thought to the FOIA requested emails. The vast majority live and breath CNN / MSNBC which won't even cover this story. This "email release" is a non-event to them. I brought this up to a friend yesterday, one of my few remaining liberal friends, and he had no idea what the hell I was talking about. He didn't see it on the "news".

The MSM needs to be held accountable as well as they are part of the cover-up.
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I think he lied to prevent serious panic and outrage.

N95 or better were bought up and shipped to Zhina before the big breakouts in the USA.

Industrial suppliers such as Grainger were limiting sales to emergency services, medical, and "Essential" workers.

I bought the last 4 P100 half mask Respirators in the South Atlanta Grainger.
They had no idea when they would be restocked.

Imagine telling 70% or more of the nation that they weren't Essential enough to get something that had a chance of actually protecting the wearer.

Early on we were told 40 mobile incinerators were sent to Wuhan.

I was genuinely afraid for my family and was prepared to not set foot on our property until we knew what was happening.
I didn't want to bring home a disease.

It wasn't until the Diamond Princess Cruise ship passengers making it through their ordeal with only 20% infected and most surviving that I felt some relief.

Nobody caught the importance of that in the independent media but KD.

Saved me a lot of greif.

Still caught an Asymptomatic Case myself.
Likely in a truckstop bathroom.

Nobody in my immediate family has been diagnosed.

We remained rational but prepared.


We, meaning TF readers, are a tiny minority.

We can be optimistic about ourselves but pessimism is the logical outlook when dealing with the misled and lazily uninquisitive mobs.


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This is an excellent article which can be used to introduce a person to the arguments that are presented here.

On this note, what is amazing that very common people, some who would be supposed to be rather stupid, know and understand all of the above. How, why? It is not the major media, perhaps vernacular use of the internet is a good thing.

What it does tell us is something that i pound here a lot.

People who know about how bad things are and all of the historical corruption make a decision, purely binary. It is fight or adapt. One is admirable; the other of differing value depending upon who is asked, seems to work.

People have overwhelmingly voted to get in on the scams and find their own way to exploit the system using tragedies such as this and crimes leading to since our decline started.

Right now parents who know the truth and are angling for themselves as to how to avoid the vexxing injury for themselves and their children such as do we bribe someone to say we got it, or forge paperwork, whatever, are doing something additional.

They are telling their sons and daughters that the places to pursue a career are in the government agencies that Karl mentions here, and how they must speak and act in school as well as what kiss-ass things that they need to do to get in the right programs where they will get the right job recommendations by doing the right academic projects coming up with the right science and medical tech opinions. I saw this each and every day during my research days. Notice how i said right opinions, not accurate results.

I know a lot about and have insider information regarding a key component of Fauci's education during the progression to young manhood. It is not about him per se, but a lot goes on there. Definitely some factors overlap to his formation of morals and values. Maybe i will say in The Bar, maybe not, but it is indicative if you start looking.

Why parents do this; because if they do not guide their children to play the game, they will in many cases fail. Then they would themselves face their collective failure in leading the society, and have to explain to their children what they birthed them into and left as their cultural inheritance. Their egos cannot accept this. If their child can buy a house, nice car, take vacations and send their children to relatively safe schools and have some material wealth and the impression of success (My child is a doctor, works in the NIH, makes great money, you get it), they know that their children will not blame them for their sin of omission.

Parents make a decision about their children early on. They can either look good or be good.

Humans suck.

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No big deal. Its actually quite common that degenerate POS government officials perjure themselves under oath. Nothing will happen.
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I feel everyone's frustration. Barely anyone I know gives a crap. They bought into the propaganda and turn it into a dems vs. repubs. I give up. If I didn't have a young child I wouldn't care but now I am super depressed.
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Yep! I am with you Susanlauren ("I have screamed into the wind to try and encourage folks not to get the death jab. I have failed miserably. I am done. They deserve it and own it all") I also tried to help. I recommended, and encouraged family members, and friends to read, and look at the dangers, and risk of getting the Jab. I wasn't trying to force my opinion. Before I could even get 1 minute into my conservation with some them, I was attack viciously with words that were hurtful. I was called a "KooK", Stupid, Dumbass, etc. When I forwarded some of KD'S columns to them, I was told to get off the internet, and stop reading conspiracy blogs like this one. Oh well I did my best. I will continue to stay here, and stay informed.
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I witnessed Asian people, likely Chinese, in three separate WalMart stores across two states running their hands all over the laptop computers on display.

I remember hearing about that/seeing video clips.
Something else that has been nagging me: Remember all those video clips we saw coming out of Wuhan, that showed various people collapsing and spasming in the streets and in hospital hallways? How come we NEVER saw anything like that over here? Were they just putting on a show for the cameras? Ratcheting up the fear porn?

I'm also a little frustrated with all the credulity I see in people I know who are running to take the jab. I think I'm going to quietly tell the ones I care about who have succumbed to the propaganda, to try to get their hands on some ivermectin. It might be what saves their lives.

BTW what is this Bar thing I hear about?

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@Edwardteach - The Bar is open to people who have a history of useful contributions and/or were donors from back when that was a "thing" (a LONG time ago.) It's automated and if/when you reach the threshold it will show up on the top page.

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I hope Fauci enjoyed his 18 months of fame. It's all hell from here on out.

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"The real question is whether you will demand justice..."

The next question is what happens after justice is demanded and those demands are inevitably ignored. That's when you find out if it was a true demand or a polite request.

Tucker Carlson and Rand Paul can deliver angry monologues that half the country will automatically dismiss because of who said it. Some of us have made an effort to find islands of sanity like The Ticker where rational discourse takes place. But I'm not convinced there is a critical mass of informed people with the conviction to truly demand a damned thing. Hope I'm wrong.
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The Bar is open to people who have a history of useful contributions and/or were donors from back when that was a "thing" (a LONG time ago.)


We all know that I had to buy my way in... smiley

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Remember all those video clips we saw coming out of Wuhan, that showed various people collapsing and spasming in the streets and in hospital hallways? How come we NEVER saw anything like that over here? Were they just putting on a show for the cameras? Ratcheting up the fear porn?


Exactly. This is one of the major reasons I think much of this was designed, and China is at the center.

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I'm not really optimistic about this turning around. It seems that relatively few people are able to acknowledge that they've believed wholeheartedly in a deception, much less been duped into doing something that might kill them. Institutions certainly are not capable of doing that. However, as things like the emails become more known, it might prevent further advancement of the agenda toward mandatory and serial injections and passports.


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I guess we'll know the narrative is completely collapsing when Fauci "commits suicide" by putting a bullet through "the back" of his skull. Currently, the psychopath is "on air" in damage control mode. Odds of some entity shutting him up?
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"The real question is whether you will demand justice..."

Someone once said, "Better chance of having the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders show up and blow me" or something to that effect. Can't quite remember who that was.

I'll use that retort now in response to above question.
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The population infected with Rona Hysteria falls back on the same defenses they used for previous lies from Fauci and other government sources - "it's a novel virus," "we learned more as we went on," "officials wanted to preserve stockpiles of PPE for healthcare workers." And that is just the Leftists on social media. This is the same lying narrative that is used when the public takes it up the ass due to major errors by government and elites. For example, the general theme of the basket of lies run in the immediate aftermath of the financial crisis included "nobody could have seen it coming" and "nobody did anything illegal."

In recent days, the professional propagandists television have fallen back on the tried and true method of putting a microphone in front the most ignorant conservative civilians and politicians, and run more Q-Anon **** to discredit dissent as being from uninformed, uneducated, ignorant, conspiracy theorists.

I would prefer the conservative movement be represented by more politicians like Ron DeSantis. Politicians who are well spoken and highly educated, able to push back hard against the Left in a well spoken manner, and not devolve into WWE-style pep rallies and fourth grade name calling.

The MIT analysis from a few months ago showed how the anti-mask movement (and generally the anti-lockdown movement) is supported by actual data that the unorthodox conclusions, contradicting official medical orthodoxy being recommended and propagandized. In my opinion, this scientifically illustrates the success of the Left-wing propaganda campaign claiming "science", while ignoring official data that contradicts their narrative. They skillfully discredit dissenting opinions as misinformation and conspiracy theories.

Being in government, I am well experienced in how a very small number of experts can influence and control policy and official assessments. Being a subject matter expert on one niche myself, I have seen how my work is copy and pasted, summarized, repackaged, amplified and regurgitated by a large cadre of other personnel throughout DOD (similar to what the media does with non-pharmaceutical interventions-NPI). You see how there is a "party line" or "corporate opinion" that you may not even agree with, which may be the most watered down version of the analysis of all the experts in the organization. Our DOD customers desire/demand to know confidence levels, caveats, assumptions, alternative analysis, quality and date of sources/data. If this is the standard used for DOD officials and the POTUS to make national security decisions, then why isn't the same standard applied to recommendations disseminated to implement hugely impactful NPI's? The media portrays the corporate opinion (e.g. from CDC) as having no dissent, no alternative conclusions, no assumptions, etc. It's settled science, and if you don't believe in it, then you're a wacakadoo conspiracy theorist. Unfortunately, this is standard business practice for the Left Wing Media Industrial Complex (including the social media companies). It existed before the Rona, and it will remain after the Rona.

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I just looked, with Google, for Fauci and emails. The MSM is starting to cover it but boy are they softballing the sh*t out of it.
Of course CNN says the lab leak emails have been misinterpreted.
People don't want to admit they made a mistake so they cling to anything that supports their actions and beliefs. So the MSM version of this WILL be the truth, even to people who get sick or their kids die.
"Must have been one of those evil variants."
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I tend to think the end-game of this is Pearl Harbor 3.0 (vaccine antibody-targeted bioweapon with massive loss of life) leading to war with China.

It's not a desirable, good, or moral outcome but it would solve some problems for some people and provide a convenient scapegoat.

I really hope that's not the plan.
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I think there is too much investment in the series of lies by far too many organizations, businesses, professions and individuals for this situation to get turned around. The Fauci emails may stop some who have not taken the death jab to politely decline. But otherwise ...

I just learned of a twenty something friend of a friend who is now looking for a fertility specialist. There was someone in her life who tried to talk her out of getting vaxxed. She wouldn't listen. Now she and her husband can't conceive a baby. Bitter tears and much heartache because of one unwise choice.
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Collapsing in the streets has a possible explanation that makes some sense.

They were people who didn't go to the hospital and had their O2 fall too low. Remember we've seen people with o2 levels that should make them unconscious up and walking around - or at least functioning. The alert our body gives for low o2 apparently doesn't work, or doesn't work as it should.

It's very possible they were simply walking around sick, sicker than they knew and just passed out. I'm pretty sure I've seen reports of the same thing here in the states, but I don't recall for sure.

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