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Austin
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and what about the fates of those who were in the vaccine '' trials last year ? no info ?
Aaron
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Don't forget that pfizer claimed the vaccines grant 100percent reduction in covid related deaths, even in the case of breakthrough cases. But we now have dozens of fully vaccinated deaths from covid... Setting aside the vaccines as causes.

They also claimed no side effects except maybe a sore arm. But now they say most people SHOULD feel like **** and that's just your immune response. They completely changed their claim and no one noticed.

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@Pavolley said:
Johnson And Johnson Rolls Out New 'No More Clots' Vaccine
April 29th, 2021 - BabylonBee.com
https://babylonbee.com/news/johnson-and-....

They've renamed it: "No More Fears, No More Clots"
Main ingredient: heparin.

TV in the next room is saying:
"This is our shot. This is our shot to see relatives again, do things we used to do, blah blah blah....followed by a lot of lying MF'ers preaching we'll give it to you safely and the many different smiley lying MFers singing the Covidism hymm's chorus, Hymn # 1 in your hymnals
"This Is Our Shot"
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Any theories on why the harm from the spike protein did not register in the trial data submitted to the FDA for the EUA's? Were the trials rigged? Should we expect another explosive ticker on this soon?
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It did.

They ignored a serious adverse event that was reported, and never monitored for it (e.g. d-dimer and platelet levels)

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Gotta love this claim from the CDC (bolding theirs)"

Quote:
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the "spike protein."

From: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco....

Pretty brazen of them to claim it's harmless with all this data going back many months. I guess they've been getting away with lies for so long that they just don't care.
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Of course they don't care.

Who has been held to account for said lies?

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Karl, regarding your answer to @Raftermanj,

It should be noted that there is evidence -- at least from computational modeling/analysis, that one of ivermectin's mechanisms of action is: binding to the spike protein. That's significant, don't you think?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33867777....

Also, according to this video, JAMA recently published an article on this topic.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VlP3rIAw6r....

I am interested to see more on this, since the niece of a dear friend of mine is near death from adverse reaction to the J&J shot. Since we now know that so many of the fatal or debilitating effects of Covid are due to the spike protein and the microclotting it causes, mightn't a molecule (ivermectin) that binds to the spike protein possibly help injected people whose bodies are now churning out spike protein? At any rate, I'm encouraging her family members to demand ivermectin. It sure couldn't hurt, and it might save her life. WORTH A TRY.
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I do not know.

Would I personally try it? Hell yes, since the odds of it hurting me are extremely low. But would I have high hopes in this sort of circumstance? Not if this is the classic problem that appears to be the pattern with these situations; low platelet count AND elevated d-Dimer (clotting.) There IS some anecdotal information (and that's ALL it is right now!) that immunoglobulin may be of help with the platelet depression.

If you get hit this way it's a damnable problem because you get the paradox of BOTH a clotting disorder AND the risk of severe hemorrhage at the same time. Obviously doing things that help one can potentiate the other which is VERY nasty.

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Quote:
A good question for the lot of you. We had a swine flu in 1976 that we were gearing up to vaccinate everyone until a bunch of people came down with Gillian-Barre syndrome. What does the percentage of vaccinated people with side effects with the covid-19 vaccines compare to the rate of such with the 1976 flu vaccine?


From memory, I recall the push for everyone to get the swine flu shot at the time (I was 23 in early 1976). When media started reporting cases of Guillan-Barre syndrome, and cases of heart attacks from the vaccine, that was it for me. I decided I'd rather take my chances with the flu than that so-called vaccine.

This was the year I made my first grand tour of the US. I drove from Cali to NY, up to Montreal for the Olympics, down to GA to visit family, and back to Cali. I drove about 7500 miles in 3 weeks. There were no travel restrictions at the time, and I never got sick that year.

Hmmm, just crossed my mind that this was another vaccine push during an election year that resulted in a DemonRat ousting a sitting Rethuglican President. Of course, Ford also had the Nixon pardon hanging over his head during that election.

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Dang, I love John Cullen....see the real flu/pneumonia deaths...
https://www.subscribestar.com/posts/3283....

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If Ivermectin binds to spike p. as says in the document, then this is huge in more understanding of how it helps covid. So the vacc prevents virus from entering cell by having immune system detect it and squash it, along with adding the risk of having the body make spike protein.
Now we have IVM binding to spike p. from virus and thus potentially neutralize the virus. Thus it would seem that you would want to have a good concentration of IVM circulating in the body at time of infection.
The mechanism of action here does not produce the side effect and risk of the vacc.
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Be careful about prophylaxis if you are at low risk. Nutritional supplements with no known issues of significance are always good as being deficient in any of those is always bad.

But -- pharmaceuticals are another matter. None of them is without risk. If you are at high risk then the calculation is a different matter, but for those who are not I caution that playing around with drugs in this fashion is like playing with recreational pharmaceuticals -- they may harm you and they may not, but the benefits are likely non-existent.

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If the media wanted to sink Trump permanently all they have to do is properly publish this info. His name is Mudd. Trump and his ego is directly responsible for butchery.

But the Dems exponentially multiply stupidity for the sake of power and control. Burn them all I say along with every pharm executive to the docs making these death jabs.

Need blood?.... Bidding starts at $1,000,000 a pint for mine.

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Of course it's always the innocent that suffer. The blood supply may be so contaminated they won't consider it an issue if the recipient got the shot ...


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An overview of this study previously mentioned here:

Grobbelaar, L. M. et al. (2021). SARS-CoV-2 spike protein S1 induces fibrin(ogen) resistant to fibrinolysis: Implications for microclot formation in COVID-19. medRxiv preprint. doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.03.05.21252.... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/....

Note the "*Important Notice" disclaimer at the bottom, so keep calm and carry on!... if it just wasn't for the two other studies confirming it...

The overview:

SARS-CoV-2 spike S1 subunit induces hypercoagulability
10 Mar 2021

https://www.news-medical.net/news/202103....

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And some other really excellent stuff:

An overview of spike protein antigen COVID-19 vaccine candidates
22 Feb 2021

https://www.news-medical.net/news/202102....

The VERY detailed document upon which the above article was based with specifics about every vaccine development then in progress:

Severe acute respiratory syndrome‐coronavirus‐2 spike (S) protein based vaccine candidates

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/action/c....

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Early suggestion that it was best to target the spike:

SARS-CoV-2 spike protein: a key target for eliciting persistent neutralizing antibodies

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-0....

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And a potential hazard:

Journal of Translational Autoimmunity
Volume 3, 2020
Pathogenic priming likely contributes to serious and critical illness and mortality in COVID-19 via autoimmunity

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar....
Riskyliberal
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Karl, The first paper tells us that the vaccines may help prevent the spike protein from the virus from causing damage. It doesn't seem to say the vaccine will cause a problem.

This conclusion suggests that vaccinationgenerated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from
SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury and ultimately
decrease cardiovascular complication-associated mortality in COVID-19 patients.
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IF you get antibodies WIThOUT getting ****ed.

Yes, antibodies help. Acquiring them by systemic invasion of the spike protein is dangerous.

Read all THREE papers in FULL, not just abstracts.

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Yeah, the VAERS reports are full of people who thought the lethal injections would help them.

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Anybody unconvinced how stupid the vast majority of the population is can hop over to R/Covidvaccinated

Imagine trusting science and then signing away liability
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That odd **** killed you chart hasn't quit going up. The prior elevated level, which was moderate was probably masks killed you. I wonder how strokes, heart attacks and diabetes look? If this is all correct, those who didn't take the shot will look like geniuses.

I saw some political clown and his wife get the shot, on the net. The normal way of giving that kind of shot is to squeeze the muscle to do the injection. The nurse was 3 feet away. grabbed nothing and gave the shot. I'm not sure she even stuck the needle in, but shot it behind them. I find it doubtful any of these political bastards are taking the shot. They couldn't stand the publicity of one of them dying or ending up in the hospital.

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I would love to see a link to the source data for the "Odd **** killed you" chart.

Thank you.
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@Catbirdsings - It's in here: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-....

You also need the 2014-2019 data set for a comparative. Note that it is VERY COMMON for the recent weeks to be incomplete or revised; be very careful, especially with data from the last 4-8 weeks, when attempting to draw conclusions from the current-year data set.

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