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Goldbrick
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There's truly two separate realities that we are living through now. Tune into any so-called mainstream media outlet and you can see one of them - - a place where people cheerfully and cluelessly can't wait to get their second jab so they can go out and party!

Then there is the reality where the truth actually resides, here, among those of us who are not only well informed of the dangers of the jabs, but also of the treatments for early intervention against Covid illness.

Mass propaganda and mass vaccination are hallmarks of the alternate reality.

I was just reading last night that now there is a push in Europe to create a digital ID for accessing any online activity, so that any dissent can be instantly tracked down and the offender canceled. Truly Orwellian.

So thanks again Tickerguy for having this meeting place where the truth can flourish.

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Narsoplimab is the answer for all endothelial problems it appears



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Karl,

On the odd **** that killed you graph, what is the tail off of those two weeks in the numbers? Not intuitively getting what that is. I see that that consecutive week numbers are climbing, but why do they not end at their peak?

Might be a stupid question...but would like a smart guy to answer that for me. smiley

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Last night I was doing some research on Novavax's new vaccine. I was trying to determine if it was using the mRNA technology. What I did find is that it's vaccine was using a so called artificial Spike Protein created in the Lab. This sounds just as dangerous as the mRNA Spike Protein.

Karl what is your take on this?

Novavax, just like Moderna, has never had any sort of vaccine ever approved by the FDA. So here is their chance to make money also on a untested experiment, still sounds like Gene Therapy to me.
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Autoimmune disease drug companies licking their chops.
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Pathogenic priming likely contributes to serious and critical illness and mortality in COVID-19 via autoimmunity

"Here I provide an assessment of potential for human pathogenesis via autoimmunity via exposure, via infection or injection. SAR-CoV-2 spike proteins, and all other SARS-CoV-2 proteins, immunogenic epitopes in each SARS-CoV-2 protein were compared to human proteins in search of high local homologous matching. Only one immunogenic epitope in a SARS-CoV-2 had no homology to human proteins."

"Autopsies of Chinese citizens who have died from COVID-19 following SARS-CoV-19 infection show evidence of interstitial changes, suggesting the development of pulmonary fibrosis [1]. This suggests, at least partly, an autoimmunology basis of the pathogenesis of COVID-19."

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In SARS, a type of priming of the immune system was observed during animal studies of SARS spike protein-based vaccines leading to increased morbidity and mortality in vaccinated animals who were subsequently exposed to wild SARS virus. The problem, highlighted in two studies, became obvious following post-vaccination challenge with the SARS virus [2]. found that recombinant SARS spike-protein-based vaccines not only failed to provide protection from SARS-CoV infec- tion, but also that the mice experienced increased immunopathology with eosinophilic infiltrates in their lungs. Similarly [3], found that fer- rets previously vaccinated against SARS-CoV also developed a strong inflammatory response in liver tissue (hepatitis). Both studies suspected a cellular immune response."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article....
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The mRNA used in the "vaccines" is not composed of the natural bases of AGC and U, I read that the uracil has been replaced by a different molecule. This may slow the degradation of the mRNA. N1-methylpseudouridine replaces uracil.

"m1Ψ-dependent enforcement of secondary structure in the coding sequences of synthetic mRNAs can increase their functional half-life."

mRNA drives protein synthesis in ribosomes then slowly breaks down. The "vaccines" have also been given a long poly-A tail to resist the breakdown, say some bases break off at the end of each synthesis, then the long poly-A tail lets the mRNA persist through more synthesis cycles. Poly-A just means a bunch of A bases repeated over and over.

"An unusual 3′-terminus consisting of two segmented poly(adenosine) tracts. The poly(adenosine) stretches increase mRNA stability, "

For non-biologists, DNA and RNA is always read and written from the 5' end to the 3' end.

Double stranded DNA looks like this:

5'-------3'
3'-------5'

mRNA feeds into the ribosome like this:

3'AA...AAA-------5' --> Ribosome --> protein (in this case the S-Spike)
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The news just keeps getting worse. These demons did not care about the science or the research. It was full speed into hell and many good but poorly informed people will pay the price as a result. Some will pay with their lives and others will pay with their health. None of this will end well and that applies to those who took the death jab and those who didn't (and won't).
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@Pilot -- The data comes in late but from last year after about four to six weeks most of it is in the system. This is why those last few weeks have that downturn; the data is simply not there yet for those deaths. I wrote about this extensively last year when people said the "last few weeks" said the dying was over -- I pointed out that while you could raise this as a hypothesis it was not proved and might in fact be false, and was why I couldn't evaluate the excess or real death numbers until a couple of months into 2021.

@Jfms99 - While it does directly introduce the protein now that we now with a high degree of confidence the protein ITSELF is dangerous I would not take that one either. There are NO safe Covid-19 vaccines available anywhere in the world today given the science. None, including inactivated whole virus.


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"Just a side note: over at barnhardt, she has a post about self spreading vaccines."

Vaccines that don't need a jab? Take a wild guess what philanthropist Bill Gates has his fingers in?

Genetically modified mosquitos that can be used to spread vaccines, whether you want them or not.

Just lovely, huh?
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@Crossthread

Page 1 of the comment thread, you gave a link to a LifeSiteNews article that does not work.

Here is the correct link to the story about the Covax-rekated vision problems:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/19916-....
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Karl, would ivermectin offer any protection from the spike protein, particularly from a transfusion standpoint?

Ive a surgery coming up in May and now Im spooked about the possibility of transfusion contamination

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@Raftermanfmj - I do not know. If it does it would be inflammatory-related and not spike-binding related, as there's nothing in the literature that implies that it directly addresses that part of the process.

Inflammatory response, however, does appear to be a major part of "Long Covid" as Ivermectin has anecdotal response in those cases. No hard science on that yet, and that will be a problem to get too because much of what is called "Long Covid" isn't physically documentable, nor is that unique to Covid; extended-term symptoms are extremely common with viral infections generally and many people who have them are accused of being psychosomatic and not actually having a real problem.

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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthc....

Quote:
COVID-19 spike protein damages blood vessels: The "spike" proteins that the coronavirus uses to help it break into cells inflicts other damage as well, according to a new study that shines a spotlight on the many ways COVID-19 attacks organs other than the lungs


I think mainstream media is too dumb to realize this means the vaccine as well....

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For the moment, but not for long.

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My understanding of the mRNA process was that the spike is constructed and then "displayed" on the cell membrane; and the subsequent immune response will then flag and kill the cells.

Is it known whether in addition to "displaying" spikes, they also are in some cases produced and just ejected into the body? Can it be isolated in a blood draw post-jab?

Does each mRNA strand serve as a template to make a single spike or do they persist and keep producing many copies?
Heartlander
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@njca

Haven't read the paper in its entirety, but just skimming through, these sentences blew me away:

"A number of causal bases of autoimmunity from exposure to viral epitopes is well established, whether the route of administration be by
exposure via infection OR VACCINATION." [emphasis mine]

"[T]the involvement of pathogenic priming in re-infection by COVID-19 is a theoretical possibility; of course NO VACCINE AGAINST SARS-COV-2 HAS YET BEEN TESTED IN ANIMALS and therefore we do
not yet know if pathogenic priming is in fact expected." [emphasis mine]

That intelligent, educated people are lining up to get something that has not even been tested in animals -- lining up to be HUMAN GUINEA PIGS -- utterly blows my mind. It is sad testimony to two things: 1. The power of our censoring government-pharma-massmedia cabal, and 2. The human drive to conform.
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@Neonsignal - The payload mRNA carries works almost-exactly as does an actual virus, with one exception -- what it produces cannot replicate because the part necessary to do that is missing.

When a virus gets into the cell the RNA in the virus "programs" the cellular metabolism to produce copies of itself. This is "replication competent" and after some number of copies, usually in the range of 1,000 to 10,000 is produced, the cell is destroyed and the copies released. Each is capable of infecting a new cell, thus it is replication-competent.

mRNA works the same way that a virus does, EXCEPT that unlike a virus the mRNA itself contains the replication instruction and the instructions are intentionally defective, causing only part of the whole virus to be produced. For this reason what gets produced is NOT replication-competent. So the cell takes up the mRNA, the cellular machinery produces the copies as programmed in the mRNA, but what's produced cannot cause more copies to be made since what's made is incomplete. In this case what's programmed to be made in the mRNA is the "S" or spike protein.

Those copies, while they can AND DO bind to cells in the body exactly as does the actual virus (thus producing the pathology and also triggering the immune response) they cannot cause another replication event (and thus go exponential) because the other part of what's necessary for them to do so (the "N" or nucleopcapsid section) is intentionally missing from the mRNA instructions.

Note that in a viral infection MOST of the virons produced do NOT successfully invade a new cell. IF they did you'd die every time because viral replication is exponential and within a few days every single cell in your body would be infected and destroyed! In addition you couldn't pass the infection to anyone else because every viron would invade a new cell in your body; there would be none to expel in your breath, cough, feces, blood, semen, etc.

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@njca

That whole frickin paper is mind-blowing. Thank you so much for alerting us to it.

"Only one immunogenic epitope in a SARS-CoV-2 had no homology to human proteins." [i.e., all the others they looked at DO match up with proteins in normal human tissues! Possibility of damage to multiple organs!!]

Many here have heard about the Syncitin-1 problem. That's a crucial protein in human placenta, and it's similar to the spike protein. Attack Syncitin-1 and no pregnancy can come to term.

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny has said that at least 27 different tissues in the human body are potential targets of antibodies to the spike protein.

Unbelievable.

The author of the paper you linked first came to my attention with his bold testimony to the Pennsylvania legislature recently. He is not only an expert scientist, but a man of bravery and integrity:


https://rumble.com/vftsv9-dr.-james-lyon....
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https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-no....

news from Salk..Holy Cow..

The novel coronavirus spike protein plays additional key role in illness
Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease
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Question. Do you guys think it would be wise and say I "join" the First Church of Christ, Scientist? (It is a religious sect that believes in faith healing only)
So let's say a company mandates it I could claim religious exemption. Or is it just better to move on to another company?
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@tickerguy

Thank you for the response! That's a slightly different mechanism than I thought it used, and actually sounds quite a bit more dangerous than my concept.

My understanding is that the dose contains about 5B particles containing mRNA; any of those that enter a cell would then hijack it. What causes a hijacked cell to stop producing spikes? Does the immune system kill it, or does the cell burst and release the spikes?

My original understanding was based on this review paper
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017....
figure 1(b) which shows a lipid particle being ingested and displayed (rather than being manufactured and then released when the cell dies.

There's also this "official story"...
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco....

Which claims that only one spike is made per mRNA strand, and that it makes a copy and displays it, but doesn't release it. That sounds less dangerous, but can still surely cause clotting, esp if the hijacked cell is in the blood vessel wall.
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@Neonsignal -- I don't think we have a clean answer to that, nor does it really matter. Without replication-competent production it's immaterial since it's a "once through" process and then is done.

The problem is that natural infection starts in the upper respiratory tract and, if it turns into a systemic infection, becomes extremely serious. Most of the time it does not, just as with other upper respiratory infections.

But a shot into a muscle intentionally is systemic on an immediate basis. That is, the mRNA will be intentionally taken up by whatever it contacts first in all probability; for an IM injection that means the epithelium of the blood vessels throughout the body, since muscles are heavily-perfused. Within seconds to a couple of minutes of the injection you will have distributed that material with most of it "landing" on the cells lining your blood vessels and those are where the spike will be produced and the antibody response occur. That's insanely bad if the spike ITSELF is pathogenic because the VERY LAST PLACE you want any sort of pathology is in the lining of your blood vessels, and we now know that indeed the spike alone is pathogenic.

Incidentally this also may mean that there is NO SUCH THING as a safe vaccine delivered as a shot for a coronavirus, since ANY introduction of the spike protein into the circulation is dangerous and likely to produce severe damage including but not limited to strokes, heart attacks and thrombus of the organs damaging or destroying them. We know most natural infections do not wind up being systemic as is evidenced from the data on professional athletes that were infected and yet very few suffered any sort of systemic or circulatory harm.

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@Njca wrote
"Autopsies of Chinese citizens who have died from COVID-19 following SARS-CoV-19 infection show evidence of interstitial changes, suggesting the development of pulmonary fibrosis [1]. This suggests, at least partly, an autoimmunology basis of the pathogenesis of COVID-19."
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Wifey had heart surgery in 2017, got put on amiodarone(I call Satan's drug,it kills or destroys vital organs while controlling V-tach) for V-tach. One fatal side effect is pulmonary fibrosis. I found a study
https://print.ispub.com/api/0/ispub-arti....
that showed L-carnitine prevents pulmonary fibrosis in rats loaded with amiodarone...so she supplemented while on that crap and she did not have lung issues. It still damaged her thyroid as it overloads you with iodine. Wonder if L-carnitine can help Covid lungs?

Funny thing about amiodarone. FDA-approved for V-tach ONLY, yet cardioDocs give it out like harmless candy to patients with A-Fib prescribed OFF-label....yet they won't do this for ivermetin or budesonide inhalers when it comes to Covidism.
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@tickerguy

If the CDC link is accurate, then the spikes will generally not be floating around free, but given that the particles are likely taken up by epithelial cells, they would still be projected out from the cell membrane into capillaries, causing clots.

If that's true, then this could cause the clotting phenomena, but without free floating spikes at least some of the other potential pathologies are less likely?
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Anyone expecting something that is introduced into the circulation to not wind up everywhere is crazy. It will; the only question is "how much?" which is of course a function of the injected dose.

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