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2021-04-23 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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What Seigel has to say here is just flat-out wrong and backward.

Anti-fear messaging is important to clinicians like me who attempt to help patients put risks in perspective. As a doctor who has both studied outbreaks and also the impact they have had on the human psyche, I feel it is important to provide context at all times.

Do you now?  Well then where's the context of these shots and reports in VAERS compared with the seasonal flu vaccine, which I remind you distributed 170 million doses last flu season?

On that data the Covid shots are one hundred times more likely to be associated with death than the flu shot was over a reasonably-comparable number of delivered doses, and like the flu shot, Covid shots were and are preferentially advised for older, more-morbid people.

Association is not proof of causation.  But it is certainly a safety signal and claiming it is not is a lie.

The CDC's death data also backs this up.  In addition it makes quite clear that the elevation in stroke and heart attack risk from Covid-19 is very real.  This is especially nasty because strokes and heart attacks kill a lot of people in any ordinary year; indeed, they are two of the leading causes of death, taking about 750,000 lives between them and putting another million or more into the ranks of the permanently disabled.  The roughly 8% elevation of that risk over 2020 compared to 2019 is very serious. 

Emerging science says that the spike protein alone is likely pathogenic and causes those events.  Indeed that specific pathogenic behavior is likely why Covid-19 kills virtually everyone who succumbs.  We did not know that in March and April of 2020; we simply took the spike configuration offered from the Chinese and presumed that without the "N" component of the virus it was harmless in the body.  We had exactly zero evidence for that belief.  The science is now emerging, which I remind you always takes time, that this was ruinously wrong; the spike alone causes coagulation disorders and obviously, in the blood vessels, that can lead directly to strokes and heart attacks along with severe organ damage leading directly to death.

We presume that the shots will stop the Covid-19 "infection" deaths and perhaps they will.  But dead is dead and why does not matter; if they stop Covid-19 deaths but potentiate strokes and heart attacks they may well kill more people over a few years than Covid-19 ever did while natural infection deaths may have already pretty much run their course!

We do not know at the present time but the signal in the data indicating trouble is there and is very significant.

This issue is not just in the J&J and AZ shots; it is also showing up in the mRNA shots.  So says VAERS, not me; go look it up.  The death elevation risk from heart attacks and strokes is likely to large degree due to serious infections with Covid-19 that become systemic and ultimately fatal.  But deliberately causing a pathogenic part of the virus to be produced by cells involved in the circulation, if indeed the spike protein alone is pathogenic as the science is now demonstrating, is criminally stupid for someone who is not already at high risk.

All of the current vaccines do this.

In addition people love to mix relative and absolute risk to deceive people on a regular basis and in every case doing so is a fraud.  This was repeatedly done in "selling" the vaccines to the public.  You must compare like with like or you're lying.  For example if the risk of death if you do not get the vaccine is 1/50 (2%) and the risk if you DO get the vaccine is 1/500 (0.2%) then while it is true that your risk of dying has been cut by 90% you only had a 2% risk of dying if infected in the first place.  That is, you were going to survive 98% of the time; now you will survive 99.8%.  That sounds like a fabulous improvement except if only 10% of the people got the infection in a year with no vaccine to start with then your base survival rate was not 98% since that presumes you got infected -- it was in fact 99.8% like you would survive the year without dying from Covid to start with!  That is there's only an 0.2% risk of death that can possibly be improved upon!  Thus you must now rate the risk of the vaccine doing evil things to you against the 2/1,000 chance of death, not 2/100 since if you get stabbed that risk is certain where infection is not.

But for those who are not morbid isn't 2/100 -- in fact the absolute risk if you are infected and not particularly morbid is, by the CDC, 1/50,000.  This is confirmed by the NY Coroner data, which when back-computed winds up in approximately the same place; for statistical purposes they are the same, and that is good because independent confirmation from actual "boots on the ground" in confirmation of a theoretical framework provides assurance that the "best guess" is likely close to reality.  Thus I am quite comfortable with that number.

The CDC also says that about 10% of the population (~33 million, approximately) people got Covid-19 in that they "tested positive" for it.  I do not believe that number because it is based on PCR testing with extremely high Ct values and we know that results in lots of false positives. But assuming it is correct this means that the actual risk across one year is not 1/50,000 it is 1/500,000 since you're only 10% likely to have gotten the infection.  Again, this is by the CDC data, not my data.  Note that if 2/3rds of those "positives" are false then the risk of death for a non-morbid person over a year would be approximately 1/1,250,000.  These are vanishingly small odds.

The CDC and so-called "experts" are all started out saying that the blood clot risk was 1-in-1,000,000.  Well, that appears to have been blatantly false too as the data on the mRNA shots says it's far more-likely than that and that it is not confined to the J&J vaccine. As more data comes in it appears that risk is more like 1 in 100,000-250,000.

That's a huge change and until it stabilizes, which will take several more months, I have no confidence in any of these figures whatsoever.

I remind you that the difference between the jab and infection is that the risk from the jab is assured if you take it while the risk from infection it only occurs if you get the virus, which by the CDC again was 10% over the first year and will fall each year thereafter with successive reductions in those who are not immune either by vaccination or infection.

Further, most of the deaths from clotting disorders caused by the shots are almost-certainly not going to be considered "possibly vaccine related"; a heart attack that results from thrombosis is not unusual and determining that the vaccine caused it with medical certainty may be impossible.  But we can certainly see an increase in heart attacks as a whole exactly as we did last year, nearly all of which are in fact caused by stenosis, that is, narrowing or blocking of the blood flow to the heart.

If that risk does not return to materially below the 2019 baseline when the data settles out through April we will have a screaming safety signal but there will be nothing we can do about it for those who already took the jab.  Why below?  Because many of those who had existing coronary artery disease had it potentiated by Covid-19 and are now dead; you can only die once.  Therefore that excess death should not only go away there should be a material dip below the previous rate until a new crop of people with coronary artery disease "mature" in their condition to take the former dead peoples' place.  The bad news is that we likely will not have a reasonably complete data set on the first quarter until sometime toward the end of June although I'll bet I have a decent if incomplete read on it by Memorial Day.

For people who are at materially elevated risk from Covid-19, especially if they're at serious risk of heart attack, stroke or are diabetic the determination of whether the shot is a "good bargain" gets much more complicated because we don't know if that elevation of risk also makes the bad reaction from the shot more-likely.  It might.  It also might not and be related only to natural infection.  But what is clear, even on the admitted data that Siegel cites, is that for someone not at particular risk the shot is more dangerous than the disease itself when adjusted for your risk of getting Covid over a year's time, and given that it is expected you need to take the shot again every year this will not be a "one time" risk either.  There is exactly zero evidence on whether if you get no bad reaction the first time that means the shot is safe for you or whether each jab is a new, unrelated trial on a body of one.

The bottom line is that you have to be crazy to accept a "therapy", no matter what it is, that is equally or more-dangerous as what it allegedly protects against.  Indeed the entire premise of vaccines is that they are much safer than getting the disease.  Let's compare with a common one that is also relatively new: Chicken Pox (varicella.)  Virtually every kid gets that stab nowadays.

Chicken pox kills about as many kids (IFR), on a risk basis, as does Covid-19.  Yet last year the Chicken Pox (Varicella) vaccine was associated with (not proved caused) ONE death and we stabbed about 4 million kids with it.  That is wildly (by a factor of about 100) less-dangerous than Chicken Pox is in a child and 2,500 times less dangerous than Chicken Pox is in an adult.

This is an example of a very safe vaccine against which there is little or no argument available on the data.  I will take a vaccine that reduces my risk of death or serious disease by a factor of 100 compared with the risk of infection adjusted for its risk of being contracted every day and twice on Sunday.  Indeed that's why both myself and my daughter have had accepted all of those common vaccines.

This is definitely not the case for any of the Covdi-19 vaccines when it comes to healthy persons; at best the vaccine is equally dangerous and it might be much more dangerous than natural infection since we have no data on intermediate and longer-term risk at all and it appears the clot risk is much higher than originally stated.  In fact on the evidence everyone involved lied about how "rare" these events really are.

These Covid-19 vaccines -- all of them -- must have their EUA's immediately modified by the FDA so as to prohibit their use in healthy persons as on the data admitted by people such as Siegel they are at least as dangerous as natural infection and on a risk-adjusted basis appear to be more dangerous, by a wide margin and perhaps as much as 10x so for non-morbid people.

To not do so right now, today, until further data is developed to fully understand said risks and scientifically prove they are much lower than the risk of natural infection in a non-morbid person is criminally insane.

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> is criminally insane.

Unfortunately, the criminals are the ones in charge.
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The medical community is pushing hard for everyone to get the jab. I have known my doctor for many years and generally trust him, but he wants to jab me. My thinking is that he is brainwashed by the CDC and the makers of the jab. I have shared some of Carl's data with him but he isn't buying it.
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Greater risk associated with the Astra Zeneca vaccine than with Covid-19 disease in Norway

Norway has come a long way in vaccinating the elderly, and we have thereby reduced the risk of death in many of the most vulnerable. Since the oldest have largely been vaccinated or will be vaccinated in the near future, this means that continued use of the vaccine would mainly be relevant for age groups under 65 if we were to use this vaccine in Norway.

Calculations have been performed based on Norwegian figures where the risk of dying from Covid-19 disease in different age groups is compared with the risk of dying from the serious but rare condition with severe blood clots after AstraZeneca vaccination.

Since there are few people who die from COVID-19 in Norway, the risk of dying after vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine would be higher than the risk of dying from the disease, particularly for younger people, says Bukholm.

In addition, a reason to assume that there is skepticism about using AstraZeneca vaccine in Norway , and it is uncertain hv or many who would have accepted an offer of this vaccine now.
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And on the vaccines intentionally generating the spike protein which alone apparently causes the clotting problem, here's a bunch of long term symptoms that sound clotting related. They specify "COVID-19 survivors" because no one is studying "'vaccine' recipients" and won't be. On reddit channels of 'vaccine' recipient experiences I've seen most of these symptoms being experienced immediately after receiving the 'vaccination', some severe, along with some "long haulers":

APRIL 22, 2021
Among COVID-19 survivors, an increased risk of death, serious illness

The study, involving more than 87,000 COVID-19 patients and nearly 5 million control patients in a federal database, appears online April 22 in the journal Nature.

"Our study demonstrates that up to six months after diagnosis, the risk of death following even a mild case of COVID-19 is not trivial and increases with disease severity," said senior author Ziyad Al-Aly, MD, an assistant professor of medicine. "It is not an exaggeration to say that long COVID-19the long-term health consequences of COVID-19is America's next big health crisis. Given that more than 30 million Americans have been infected with this virus, and given that the burden of long COVID-19 is substantial, the lingering effects of this disease will reverberate for many years and even decades. Physicians must be vigilant in evaluating people who have had COVID-19. These patients will need integrated, multidisciplinary care."

In the new study, the researchers were able to calculate the potential scale of the problems first glimpsed from anecdotal accounts and smaller studies that hinted at the wide-ranging side effects of surviving COVID-19, from breathing problems and irregular heart rhythms to mental health issues and hair loss.

"This study differs from others that have looked at long COVID-19 because, rather than focusing on just the neurologic or cardiovascular complications, for example, we took a broad view and used the vast databases of the Veterans Health Administration (VHA) to comprehensively catalog all diseases that may be attributable to COVID-19," said Al-Aly, also director of the Clinical Epidemiology Center and chief of the Research and Education Service at the Veterans Affairs St. Louis Health Care System.

The investigators showed that, after surviving the initial infection (beyond the first 30 days of illness), COVID-19 survivors had an almost 60% increased risk of death over the following six months compared with the general population. At the six-month mark, excess deaths among all COVID-19 survivors were estimated at eight people per 1,000 patients. Among patients who were ill enough to be hospitalized with COVID-19 and who survived beyond the first 30 days of illness, there were 29 excess deaths per 1,000 patients over the following six months.

"These later deaths due to long-term complications of the infection are not necessarily recorded as deaths due to COVID-19," Al-Aly said. "As far as total pandemic death toll, these numbers suggest that the deaths we're counting due to the immediate viral infection are only the tip of the iceberg."

The researchers analyzed data from the national health-care databases of the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. The dataset included 73,435 VHA patients with confirmed COVID-19 but who were not hospitalized and, for comparison, almost 5 million VHA patients who did not have a COVID-19 diagnosis and were not hospitalized during this time frame. The veterans in the study were primarily men (almost 88%), but the large sample size meant that the study still included 8,880 women with confirmed cases.

...the researchers identified newly diagnosed major health issues that persisted in COVID-19 patients over at least six months and that affected nearly every organ and regulatory system in the body, including:

Respiratory system: persistent cough, shortness of breath and low oxygen levels in the blood.
Nervous system: stroke, headaches, memory problems and problems with senses of taste and smell.
Mental health: anxiety, depression, sleep problems and substance abuse.
Metabolism: new onset of diabetes, obesity and high cholesterol.
Cardiovascular system: acute coronary disease, heart failure, heart palpitations and irregular heart rhythms.
Gastrointestinal system: constipation, diarrhea and acid reflux.
Kidney: acute kidney injury and chronic kidney disease that can, in severe cases, require dialysis.
Coagulation regulation: blood clots in the legs and lungs.
Skin: rash and hair loss.
Musculoskeletal system: joint pain and muscle weakness.
General health: malaise, fatigue and anemia.
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Another excellent article and far better than the CDCs own guidance.

Question: if Phase III trial are in process now, do you think these companies will be able to massage the data enough to show efficacy at reducing serious Covid-19 symptoms? Because, if so, then it appears these drugs may be legally mandated.

The other thought: how will we be able to point at the smoking gun in 1-3 years? Especially if some of these serious side effects may be difficult to attribute to this novel treatment? The reporting system seems purposely-broken. Their actions say one thing and their words another....
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My average patient at the VA I work at is about 75 years old. Of about 1200 patients on my panel, about 25 had CoVid w some degree of symptoms. Most were sent home to recover, including an 82 yo on continuous oxygen for pulmonary fibrosis who did fine (inhaled steroids, anyone?). 2 pts were observed without intervention, another needed some fluids, and all were sent home within 48h or less. One pt was hospitalized for about 2 weeks and had a rough go of it. No deaths.

Within the last 2 weeks, I was informed of one fatal stroke in a reasonable healthy 71 yo without medical history of strokes and was doing very well (golfing, happy and fit), and a nonfatal stroke in another relatively healthy 70 year old. Both recieved their 2nd Moderna vaccinations 4 -6 weeks ago.

I received a VA email sent to VA providers with talking points to convince fearful patients that the mRNA vaccines are safe. The message to pregnant patient was something to the effect of "while not tested in pregnant women, there is nothing in the vaccine that would suggest it is bad for pregnant women." This is not the way medicine is done.

Karl, having read your blog, and verifying with much independent research spurred by your insight (I'm the only doc in the clinic who has discontinued insulin in DM2 in several patients via keto), I have cautioned against the vaccine for my patients without significant risk factors. Unfortunately, too many were contacted by VA staff without my knowledge and went ahead with the "CDC recommended" vaccine.

Have I gone insane? Do I need a tinfoil hat at this point and how tight to wrap it?? The CDC and their waterboys are wrong on everything CoVid. But WHY do they remain willfully ignorant? Why are TPTB still spouting their crap that will either bankrupt you or kill you directly or indirectly?

Why do the conspiracy theories seem to be a simplest answer?
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BTW, how did they not catch this previously since the test for it was so simple?

"Scanning electron-and fluorescence microscopy revealed large dense anomalous and amyloid masses in whole blood and PPP of healthy individuals where spike protein was added to the samples."
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@Winston2020 - They didn't test and didn't look because they just didn't do the work.

@Garrett -- You make clear that you consider it a felony assault with intent to commit murder and will respond in kind.

Will it come to that? I would certainly hope not, but I wouldn't bet against it at this point.

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The data will be analyzed so as to make the vaccine approved, just like HCQ was made to fail. How many got the jab? How many bad outcome attributed to the jab? inverse ratio is how it will likely presented as risk. If the bad outcome seems too high, some will be discarded as not caused by the jab to make the numbers look good. Worse, the bad effects come in drawn out over time. Will not be attributed to the jab, but something else.
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See The CENSORED Gov. Ron DeSantis Public Health Roundtable Discussion In Tallahassee

At 00:52:08 Jay is asked about asymptomatic transmission. Listen to his answer.
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Well, my odds seem to be that I got natural covid this week.

Here is how the week has gone:

Sat/Sunday, felt like a bad cold.
Monday, sinuses inflamed, eye watering, little achy. No cough or fever!
Dose 1 Ivermectin

Tuesday, about the same feeling.
Does 2 Ivermectin, zinc, vitamins, etc.

Wed, DR for a PCR test, continued with multi vitamin.
Started Amox / Clav for sinuses (prone to getting infections)

Wed night, lost most taste / smell. Otherwise feeling a bit better.
Continue Amox / Clav, multi vitamin.

Thru, sinuses started to clear up a bit. Still no smell / taste.
Continue Amox / Clav, multi vitamin.

Friday (today) Sinus really draining now. Loss of taste / smell still.
Continue Amox / Clav, multi vitamin.

(PCR Test Results should be out today, waiting on Dr phone call)

Side notes: I'm torn on a 3rd dose of Ivermectin, it doesn't seem to be indicated unless symptoms fire up again. Though there is such little downside to using it I am considering it.

Luckily, I had a stock of these things. Dr didn't want to prescribe anything for my sinuses UNTILL the PCR test results were back. Hell, **** that I will not be waiting 3 days to start an antibiotic when I am prone to sinus infections, on top of if it could be covid.

Ivermectin was of course, also not provided by the Dr... Thank god for the internet eh?
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Criminally insane.

Gain of function research
PCR tests
Doctors refusing to prescribe safe treatments
Warp Speed Vaccines
Vaccine passports
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@Winston 2020: That is a retrospective study asking people about these symptoms. There was no clinical or serologic studies of whether these people have active covid19 infection, markers of inflammation like D-dimer/CPR/procalcitonin or autoantibodies.

It is interesting that these symptoms are from the very same organs that antibodies to the spike protein cross react to, no?

I would bet they have either chronic low grade viral production of spike protein. This would cause direct damage to endothelium as well as producing ongoing autoantibodies leading to chronic low grade attack to these tissues.

These covid19 long haulers are a real deal and need to be studied in detail - just like every single vaccinated person. But of course they won't be as there is no reason to collect data that will threaten the narrative.

The shifting goalposts, financial incentives and hysteria remind me of the silicone breast implant debacle of 25 years ago. A few crazy women + greedy lawyers + corrupt doctors managed to convince millions of women that their breast implants were going to cause horrible autoimmune problems. It was total BS but after a few big payouts, Dow Chemical folded. That there were oncologists acting as "experts" was shameful and disgusting.
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From the "study" that Winston posted:
The investigators showed that, after surviving the initial infection (beyond the first 30 days of illness), COVID-19 survivors had an almost 60% increased risk of death over the following six months compared with the general population.

What is the general population's risk of death from health issues over the next 6 months? I'd guess for my demographic (male, 51 years old, healthy, no morbidities), it's like, what, 1%? So I get the coof, survive, and now my risk is 1.6%? OH NO!!!!

Like Karl stated, they leave this data out on purpose. It's total fear mongering that works because most people don't know simple math.
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These Covid-19 vaccines -- all of them -- must have their EUA's immediately modified by the FDA so as to prohibit their use in healthy persons

I'll be happy if I just don't have to take any of them myself.
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People have been brainwashed and coerced into taking these vaccines even if they've already been infected.

A good friend of mine his landlord had covid several months ago. Took the 2nd Moderna jab, didn't feel well for several days but went into work. Was found dead at workplace. Died from heart attack.

Even one of my contractors, an intelligent guy, got the vaccine after he had covid. When I questioned him why he got the vaccine when he already had immunity he was like "I know, i know I probably didn't need to but..."

It is baffling to me how common sense has completely left the populace.
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Anyone expecting the medical establishment to stop pushing vaccines for people not at particular risk of covid when they are clearly dangerous should take a look at statins. How long will it be until a cholesterol level of 150 is deemed to be seriously high requiring a lifetime of statins? All that matters is making more $$$.
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Veal is tasty and recent surveys say that the an unusual spike of hunger occurs immediately after someone gets one of these jabs and dies among the decedent's relatives and friends.

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A lot of people are saying that if you had covid, it is more important that you get the vaccine then ever so you don't get it worse.

Neighbors had horrible reactions to the first jab. Get the second one today. They gave my the keys to their house in case they don't make it home so I can take care of their dogs.

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****ing insanity.

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Phenomenal interview by Bret Weinstein and Dr. Bossche. Excellent primer on the immune system and Dr. Bossche's theory around the danger of mass vaccination during a pandemic. Basically everything Karl has been saying.

I highly recommend listening and spreading to your friends if they won't listen to Karl.
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Why is there such an incredibly small percentage of people aware and cognizant of these dangers or any others for that matter??? Is there something special about us? No. There isn't but why are we able to think and do our homework when 97% of others can't or won't? It truly makes no sense to me. Like all of you, I also have my own world of family, friends, coworkers, and acquaintances and out of maybe around 30 or 40 people just in my world, there is only me and two others I know for a fact think this is all complete horse****.

Thank you Karl for this most excellent essay! This one is really all encompassing and articulate (not to say others aren't :)

I also very much appreciate our local docs and other med pros here such as Blackcrow. Very informative and interesting comments.

I am forced to embark on a week long trip next week for work. 3 different cities and 4 different airlines. Holy ****balls I am not looking forward to it. I am dreading the nightly dinners with these folks as I know I'll have to add my two cents on this ****. Ugh!!!! I don't like not telling anyone how I really feel but probably not the forum to do that. Game time decision.
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In an online meeting yesterday, I had a team member that just recovered from Covid mention that he just got the vaccine. They were told to wait a few months before getting the shot. He says he couldn't wait because he wasn't wanting to catch Covid again. I was speechless. The brainwashing is nuts!
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"The science is now emerging, which I remind you always takes time"

Sorry, but I find it absolutely -IMPOSSIBLE- to believe that considering how it has been known for a very long time that it is clotting which causes the worst effects of COVID-19 that it only recently occurred to someone to drop the -KEY- SARS-CoV-2 spike protein into whole blood to witness the resulting clotting and suppression of anti-clotting effects when that test is so incredibly simple to do and such an obvious path for testing even to a layman like me.

And the vaccine developers never saw this or even thought to test for it even though that spike protein is produced in the bloodstream by the vaccinated body. Once again, completely unbelievable.
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