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2021-04-15 12:02 by Karl Denninger
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And Now Proof: Covid Vaccines are MORE DANGEROUS Than Covid
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in the non-morbid.

I suspected the data would be forthcoming showing this given the VAERS reports and now we have it:

Using an electro nic health records network we estimated the absolute incidence of cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT) in the two weeks following COVID-19 diagnosis (N=513,284), or influenza (N=172,742), or receipt of the BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 COVID-19 vaccines (N=489,871).

The incidence of portal vein thrombosis (PVT) was also assessed in these groups, as well as the baseline CVT incidence over a two-week period. The incidence of CVT after COVID-19 diagnosis was 39.0 per million people (95% CI, 25.2–60.2). This was higher than the CVT incidence after influenza (0.0 per million people, 95% CI 0.0 – 22.2, adjusted RR=6.73, P=.003) or after receiving BNT162b2 or  RNA-1273 vaccine (4.1 per million people, 95% CI 1.1 – 14.9, adjusted RR=6.36, P<.001).

Wait a second.... you said the vaccines are more dangerous yet the data says that Covid-19 is ten times as dangerous as the vaccine for the same condition.  So how can the title of this article be correct?

Simple: For every reported infection somewhere around ten are not reported.  Either they're completely asymptomatic (about 30%) or mild enough that the person in question does not identify it as potentially Covid-19 and thus does not get tested.

Yet both of the latter confer immunity just as does a symptomatic case.

Further, you're not guaranteed to get the disease.  You are guaranteed to take the risk if you get the shot.  Therefore we must adjust for the risk of contracting the disease which is not certain; you may have already had it and not know it and, in addition, you may have cross-reactive immunity.

Therefore the shot is close to or even more-dangerous than the disease.

The baseline for approval of any therapy is that it must be much less dangerous than the disease itself.  When it comes to vaccines the usual expectation is that it should 100x or more safer to get the shot than the disease, simply on the basis that you are not guaranteed to get the disease irrespective of how bad it is.  If the disease is particularly lethal either generally or to you then a risk that is material for the vaccine is acceptable.

What's even worse is that this risk is basically identically in both mRNA and viral-vector (e.g. J&J) formulations; they both cause the same result in the same percentage of recipients, yet the FDA is still allowing the mRNA vaccines to be administered!

Covid-19, in non-morbid (young, but not exclusively so) people, only kills about 1/50,000 times -- so if the shot gets you 1/250,000 times it's a bad risk since a huge percentage of infections are not medically known as they are clinically significant and you are not guaranteed to be infected at all since you may have already had it and not known it or be resistant due to a previous infection with some other coronavirus and thus not at risk of developing clinical disease.

These shots are not approvable on the math for other than materially-morbid individuals.  In healthy adults and especially healthy children they should be prohibited outright as they are, on the math, more dangerous than the virus.

Indeed the FDA must immediately revoke the EUAs for all of them in any person who does not have a pre-existing morbidity that materially raises their risk above baseline and require prior antibody testing (said tests cost a couple of dollars in bulk and read in 15 minutes or so, I remind you) to confirm that existing immunity is not already present since in such a person there is no evidence whatsoever that the shot provides any benefit yet the risk remains material in their administration.

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Absolutely. The confidence in knowing who received the vaccine has got to be close to 100%. The gubbermint is taking steps to record everyone, for purely peaceful reasons, mind you. But the confidence in knowing everyone who was infected is much, much less.

And there is no long term data on these "vaccines", and they do differ a bit from how they do what they do, and so may have different adverse events. But as the rollout continues, and time marches on, expect more to be reported.

As has been stated before, unusual health problems post-"vaccination" will be more noticed in the younger, healthy population, than in the elderly population, where age associated incidence may make "vaccine" AE's go unnoticed.
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No doubt this will be completely ignored in Ontario, Canada but I will now simply point anyone raising the scary specter of variants to these two studies.
For months we have been hearing excuse after excuse from the OST and the MOH's in Ontario about variants.
Both studies found NO DIFFERENCE in symptoms, severity, or deaths from the B.1.1.7 variant vs non B.1.1.7 variant. They also found no increase in hospitalizations from the variant. There was also NO difference in re-infection rates.
They did find SOME evidence that it MIGHT be more transmissible anywhere from 2% - 69%. However, they did not observe an Rt > 1 during the period of the trial so it's possible that the increase in transmissibility is in the low range of 2%. They did find a small increase in viral load, which might explain the increased transmission.
Again, Ontario has been using the B.1.1.7 variant to scare everyone into further lockdowns. They have never produced any quality evidence to support it. Now we know why.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronaviru....

https://secure.jbs.elsevierhealth.com/ac....

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It has puzzled me why individuals have not been tested for antibodies presence BEFORE administration of said 'vaccines'. Not doing so would appear to be akin to prescribing an antibiotic for an infection, but not testing for whether that infection be viral, fungal, or bacterial. One additional point, I've noticed that many of these 'injections' are being given via a 'drive-thru' venue. What kind of meaningful medical history can be ascertained from such an encounter? As a retired healthcare provider, I look upon this as grievous malpractice, worthy of SEVERE consequences for those involved.
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Karl, you wrote about Mareks' disease in chickens not long ago. What is the chance that the vaccine creates a situation where the unvaccinated die in mass due to disease mutations from the vaccine and is that lesser or greater than the risk of ADE complications for an unrecognized mutation of the disease?

I'm betting on the later since I have no plans to get the jab regardless of how many social activities they decide to cancel my access to without a "vaccine passport".

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The media will be too busy polishing Dr. Fraudci's halo, so they won't have time to report this. smiley

A new religion has emerged around these lethal injections, and I'm glad I'm not a member of that faith.

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Are we still only getting only 1 in 10 cases reported? I knew we were this time last year but figured it would be a lot lower now with all the testing.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


Who couldn't see this coming?

Pfizer CEO says third Covid vaccine dose likely needed within 12 months.

(Maybe annual boosters)

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-c....
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My question is, if the spike protein causes clots, will spreading it permanently through a body do it also? I'm getting the idea it is possible it would. Evidently, the failure of immunity to stop the spread is what causes the disease itself. A video I posted on the prior thread, the doctor makes the distinction between having the virus and the disease.

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Thing is, the tyrants will pull the vaccine and claim the only way forward is perpetual social controls. These tyrants must be ignored.

Tocqueville concluded that a free people could willingly enslave itself. Clearly we are seeing this enslavement play out in liberal enclaves.

"After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd."

"It is indeed difficult to conceive how men who have entirely given up the habit of self-government should succeed in making a proper choice of those by whom they are to be governed; and no one will ever believe that a liberal, wise, and energetic government can spring from the suffrages of a subservient people."

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Quote:
Pfizer's CEO said Thursday that COVID-19 vaccine recipients will likely need a third dose between six to 12 months after theyre fully vaccinated and suggested vaccinations for coronavirus could be needed every year.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/54....

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Small town local to work is now "selected" to perform experiments on children. These people should face the same as World War 2 folks experimenting on humans got. Total evil and/or brainwashed by the same mentality.

Didnt Germany do this in camps in WW2 and Japan did experiments on children in Unit 731?
http://www.portlavacawave.com/news/local....

Why yes, they did. So did the US...and now the US continues only now the masses have been fear-porned and brainwashed into believing it is necessary or we'll all die. The above link indicates it is still happening only now its out in the open.
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Jc3: By not hiding it, they're making sure we all share the guilt.

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Neither my employer nor any of my customers are making them mandatory. Neither are any of the airlines (as far as I have heard). My concern is if the FDA grants full approval to these vaccines, employers and airlines may require them. Can anyone comment on the legality of this.
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@Abelardlindsey - Can they try? Sure. And you can eat their family too.

IMHO the approach there is to hit the FDA with all barrels on the adverse reaction numbers and particularly the CVT ones, which make them non-approvable for anyone who is already morbid, just on the data alone.

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Yay, the mathz win again!

The probability of getting the virus here in GA is around 1 in 10, or 0.1. Based on the total number of cases statewide over the past year, which is near 1M on the high side, and a state population around 10M.

So if I multiply my risk of getting COVID (0.1) times the risk of getting PVT with COVID, I get the same 4 in 1M chance as getting it from the shot.

No thanks! And I am not factoring in the chance that even if I get COVID it is non-reportable/mild. Or false positives which I think is the same thing - essentially of those 1M cases some are bogus which means my risk of getting it is even lower. Over a year period. Beyond that too many other factors come into play, like immunity wearing off or having to get "re-vaxxed" and adding more risk, or the whole thing burning itself out.

I maintain that these vaccines were never about public health. They're about "operation gaslight 'em" ... conning the nation of suckers into resuming their frenzied buying spree so the system doesn't collapse.

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In terms of punishment for ww2 "activities", the scientists from Unit 731 were given immunity by the good guys (that's us), in exchange for their research data.

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Yep, and they conveniently left out the unreported cases despite trumpeting for the last year that this is WORSE than the numbers.

Statistics - One college instructor I had took great glee in "proving" both sides of every argument using every statistical trick in the book.

But the Karens of the world will not believe and I have given up.
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I don't care at this point and in fact I hope they all die.

And that it hurts.
A lot.

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Damn Karl, I wouldn't want to be your wife.

I guess I'm just as bad. I tell the suckers the sad news, when they say they took it. I can't fault someone my age (65), but the healthy people under 40 are just stupid. There should be some liability to media and social media for hiding the truth, which conflicts with the Fourth Reich. Sucker **** should be stripped of every dime and put to work in the salt mines, as should the heads of most multinational corporations. They should sell tickets to be executioners of the talking heads, who have lied to us.

One thing I will say is the guilt, of Germany should be removed. All you have to do is look around and you will realize the majority of Americans would have gone along with the same stuff. I was in line to get gas and noticed most people were wearing masks. My first thought was they would make good NAZI's. There is no limit to the size of the bag of **** these people will swallow.

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I'm done with nice

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It seems like the vaccine acts like the virus once in the body. If you get a strong reaction you get the same dangerous blood clots as if you have a sensitivity to covid. I am convinced the increase we are seeing in covid cases is people getting flu like symptoms from the vaccine and getting tested to find out they already had covid.
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Hey, I'm not sure I ever had that "nice" thing of which you speak.

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Canadian Study support Casedemic

Scientists in the UK have been pointing out the problem of casedemic related to the use of PCR positive tests to define "cases". Especially in jurisdictions where they use extremely high Ct values (like Ontario).
Now, we have a study published in CMAJ using Canadian data that shows that only ~1 in 5 positive tests in children actually contains a viable virus.
That means ~80% of the positive test results are from people that pose no threat of transmission. In adults the number was half as bad (i.e. only ~44% of positive cases have viable virus).
That means that 80% of the school closures or kids sent home for weeks to quarantine are false. 55% of adults sent home to quarantine.
What an immense waste of resources and resulting damage to people's lives.
We are going on 8-9 months since this issue was raised in the UK, and still we sit idly by closing schools based on numbers that are largely false.
This is not science. It is mob rule.

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/early/2021/0....
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I am getting tired of being asked, mainly by customers, am I vaxxed or when am I getting vaxxed. I have fallen back on I've already had covid, so I don't need it, change subject or walk away. They are all proud of getting the Guinea Pig Poke. Good for them. I won't miss you when you are gone. I've said it before, I have no use for religious zealots, no matter what your religion may be.
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