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Glassmaker
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@Ticker

Thanks, I appreciate that. I don't have all the biology in the world so I wasn't sure about the probabilities.

I'm quite upset that Trump got this kind of thing through with so little testing and I want my ammunition against the vaccine to be solid.
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Correct Village.

This is why SARS disappeared -- it was TOO deadly and thus failed to infect someone else too high of a percentage of the time before the person it "got" died.

Thus, from an evolutionary standpoint, it failed as a virus.

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Well, (Re the Carlin video) I think swimming in poo water is pushing it a little. But I do agree with allowing moderate exposure to Germs. Let each person decide for himself.
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Tickerguy wrote..
We just invented that tag and now we're putting in our people. If an enemy can exploit that WE ARE ****ED.

A further complication...

I suspect there is a big push to get doctors/nurses vaccinated.

If the premise/conjecture of this article is correct (and I have no reason to say it is not), then once Phase II starts as described the healthcare community will be wiped-out, nearly to the man/woman.

At the very worst possible time.
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Yep.

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We don't know how much the Norks got out of the hacks, but I think it's safe to say the clock is ticking.

https://www.cnet.com/news/north-korea-re....

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The Norks don't have a biolab in which to exploit such distinguishable antibody.

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Talking Chinese population numbers...

Heard this very interesting fact a while ago and it's pretty amazing.

China has more cigarette smokers than the USA has people....

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one of the key problems dealing with authoritarian liberals and left wingers in general is that their mental lies leave them only with the option of doubling down when a plan of theirs is failing.

Thus, a mass illness or fatality event among healthcare workers would be the best thing that ever happened for the libertarian, conservative honest thinking crowd. The only thing that works with liberals is massive public failure and defeat. Some of the lesser evil actually wake up from their delusion.

Most of healthcare work is supportive and routine. Much of the work is done by lightly trained aids who do work hard but can be replaced.

If there was a healthcare worker disaster, many people myself included could show up in the crisis and wash, change and administer care to the patients with organizational assistance from the surviving higher trained professionals. Those of us with business or organizational skills could essentially take over the newly abandoned medical facilities and probably run them better in the crisis than they were during normal times. The great crisis would be better described as a great purge. Many of the actually useful doctors and nurses would survive to take care of the professional stuff. The smart ones probably avoided this vaccine. How many who were on the outs with the profession would show up? Others come out of retirement? Retired people just decide to show up and learn and work, often for free?

For generations after such a mild disaster the story of why and how would be burned into the culture protecting it from medicine ever running amok again. People will also have record of how people stood up, rolled up their sleeves and cared for their neighbors.

People like myself would show up at the door for what would probably be over five, possibly ten years of unpaid or very low paid work to reboot the system. It might not be a bad way to spend the last ten years of one's life.

There is a possibility here if it just would happen. The worst case might just be the best case.

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smiley Gonna be a wild ride.
smiley Nuclear war is survivable.

Ameri-morons will finally learn when that one last stupid mistake unleashes consequences of compounding the previous mistakes into an epic, salient lesson. http://www.amerika.org/politics/arete-th....
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...and the military was also pressed into getting the phazer.

imagine that. our adversaries made sure that our medical facilities and military facilities full of dead or dying, ripe for the taking.

and the over 60+ killed off too so they don't have to support most of our old dying population.

and a sizeable portion of the useful idiots too.


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China is definately targeting the unique antibody for sure.

That's why they are not distributing the mRNA gene therapy to their own people and instead pushing a lukewarm attempt at a traditional deactivated virus with coin flip efficacy.

They don't care. They were busy doing large hospital studies on things like IV-C immediately when the virus broke in their country. They know how to deal with it.

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The potential for DNA change w/mRNA jab...
https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2021/02/15....

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@Vernonb:
Nature is a bitch when people forget she is THE ultimate ruler of the survival equation.

Great quote.
As-demonstrated with viruses, hurricanes, the garbage we are experiencing in Texas right now, and what happens when humans lose the fight with gravity in a flying vehicle(plane, spacecraft, balloon).
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Quite frankly, I intend to get the vaccine as soon as I'm allowed. Because I have terminal lung cancer, and if such a bioweapon is released, I would rather die quickly from ADE than slowly waste away in a nation without doctors (and based on the past year, I am sure leaving the US after such attack would be damn near impossible).
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, I would rather die quickly from ADE than slowly waste away in a nation without doctors

Why not take a few of the enemy with you?
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and here ya go..


JUST IN: North Korean hackers tried breaking into the computer systems of pharmaceutical company Pfizer to access information on the coronavirus vaccine -Fox News
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@Sloonie - That was a frightening article.
While I have not gotten the vaccine, I know plenty of older folks who have. So far, they all believe the vaccine has saved them from the Covid. But what has that shot done to their DNA as a future potential autoimmune illness?
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Nobody knows @Bluebird.

That's the problem.

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Look satan himself won't take the vax.


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@Sloonie since most of the cells that are you are actually bacteria, I wonder how Crispr-CAS9 enters into this scenario. Bacteria capture and retain a section of viral genetic material in their own DNA. Is this what continues to manufacture the viral DNA fragments that get picked up by PCR? Is this cleared by Z-Pak or Doxycycline?

Oddly, even though DNA mechanisms are, usually, retained, humans don't have this CAS9 tool to copy viral DNA. We do have other reverse-transcriptase to change RNA back into DNA. But without the CAS9 to snip open the DNA there is no clear path to put this into the cellular DNA.
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The reality of this comes ever more closer when you consider this Chinese Vaccine is based on traditional methods:

Please see: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-chin....

Quite Frankly this article has swayed my decision on how I will approach vaccination in that I wont be getting an mRNA based vaccine.
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NickDanger

In the part 2 below of Dr. Sherri Tenpenny's blog entry, a study is described:

"The investigation was undertaken to study the effect vaccine-induced, spike-protein antibodies have on preventing SARS-CoV infections and to examine the possible effect the spike-protein antibodies have on the immune system.

What the researchers discovered was startling.

Sixteen macaque monkeys were given two injections; half of the animals received a modified vaccinia virus with an inserted spike protein (ADS-MVA) or a control vaccine made with a modified vaccinia virus without the spike protein antigen (ADC-MVA). Three healthy, non-vaccinated monkeys were included as additional controls.

The animals were sacrificed between weeks 9 and 21, after receiving the second injection; the vaccine containing the spike protein induced very high antibody responses to the spike protein (anti-S-IgG). Although the antibodies had reduced the viral load in the upper respiratory tract, they caused a serious, antibody-enhanced injury in the lungs. In fact, there was a direct and positive correlation between the level of antibody in serum and the degree of lung injury. The tissues had evidence of diffuse alveolar damage (DAD), with various degrees of exudate (pus-like fluid) and hemorrhage (bleeding).

Even more, the lungs were large filled with large quantities of macrophages (pus) that had been weakened and inactivated.

Macrophages are a type of white blood cell that engulf, digest and eliminate microbes and foreign proteins through a process called phagocytosis. There are two primary types of macrophages. The M1 cells kill pathogens by secreting pro-inflammatory mediators and the M2 cells, which have an anti-inflammatory function and regulate wound healing. Antibodies formed against the SARS-CoV spike protein binds to the surface of M2 macrophages and weaken their function, allowing the M1 macrophages to release unchecked quantities cytokines. Instead of healing and repairing the infected lung tissues, the anti-S-IgG antibodies stifle the M2 cells and promote M1-caused inflammation. The results are a disaster."


Part 2 goes on to also describe ADE, which is another risk.

There are too many reasons NOT to be a guinea pig.

https://vaxxter.com/the-covid-vaccines-p....
https://vaxxter.com/covid-vaccines-part-....
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What about people that have gotten the vaccine and then donate blood. Are they passing that contamination to unlucky recipient of that blood?

This is really making me feel uneasy
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@Conradboston - In whole blood or plasma, yes, but I would expect the titer to wane in a fairly short period of time since the rest of your immune system is not aware of the previous insult.

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