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2021-01-31 09:15 by Karl Denninger
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Many questions remain unanswered about the origin of SARS-CoV-2, and we are certainly not the only scientists that have them. There are likely benign convincing explanations to everything, but to date we have not seen them. 

Some will say: why does knowing the origin matter? It matters for several reasons. First of all, it will help us plan for the future. If this indeed was a virus that arose from close contact with wildlife and humans, this contact in the future will have to be managed. Secondly, if in the unlikely event this was perhaps escape from a lab, then lab procedures will have to be evaluated, and lab experiments with infectious possibly pandemic viruses will have to be additionally regulated. Finally, if this again was an unlikely escape from a lab, then knowing the exact type of virus we are dealing with would help us manage the current pandemic.

The story starts, we believe, with a noble goal: to prevent the world from ever having the type of pandemic we are currently experiencing, through production of a vaccine effective against all coronaviruses past and future.

Coronavirus vaccines can be difficult to make. In animals, while vaccines are sometimes successful, toxicity of the vaccine as well as incomplete immunity can happen. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7284272/ .

SARS-CoV-2 (COVID19) is a lot like SARS-CoV (SARS). SARS initially hit China and East Asia in 2003, killed 774 people, infected over 8000, and scared everyone. For the past 17 years there has been an enormous effort worldwide to develop a vaccine not only against SARS but also against all coronavirus strains. As we have detailed in another post, scientists knew in 2006 that recombinant spike protein RBD vaccines to SARS didn’t protect all animals from a re-challenge from a slightly different mutated coronavirus ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7124095/pdf/978-0-387-33012-9_Chapter_101.pdf ). Young animals can gain immunity, but it can be harder to get protective immunity in older animals ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17194199/ ). 

Killed whole coronavirus vaccines in animal models of SARS infection demonstrated that in some animals such as ferrets, killed whole virus vaccines gave a predominant Th2 response (you want Th1) and that there was an antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) of lung toxicity in mice ( https://jvi.asm.org/content/85/23/12201 ). This led to the idea of a live attenuated coronavirus vaccine ( https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro3143 ) ( https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.2972 ) ( https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt.1635 ), which is a vaccine that infects and reproduces in a human, results in immunity, but does not cause severe disease.

This has been an important issue since the SARS pandemic in 2003 and was reinforced by MERS epidemic in 2012. Enormous amounts of resources and human effort have been thrown at this problem, and these resources have come from just about everyone: governments, industry, NGOs, and philanthropy. 

Various live virus attenuated recombinant vaccines have two issues among many. First, these vaccines have to be able to be grown in culture in great quantity for testing and for mass production. Second, the vaccines can mutate and revert back to severe pathogenicity once administered, especially in those with weaker innate immune systems. These dual problems have confronted vaccine developers. 

To make a recombinant attenuated live coronavirus vaccine that you can grow in culture, it should be pretty obvious that (a) you have to have it gain function to make it more viable in culture; and (b) while at the same time make it less pathogenic and less able to recombine. These are somewhat contradictory goals and can be hard to do.

Live attenuated vaccines can be hard to make without them mutating a lot in culture in ways you do not expect, not being able to grow them in culture to make lots of virus to work with, and without them reverting back to a dangerous live virus once someone (animal or human) is vaccinated, as happened in 1998 with a live attenuated poliovirus vaccination on the island of Hispaniola (Haiti and the Dominican Republic) ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11896235/ ).

Virologists have been making recombinant man-made coronaviruses to try to find one that is safe and will work as an attenuated vaccine for over 15 years. To do this they use “reverse genetic systems” to make the virus they want in bacteria or yeast ( https://www.pnas.org/content/100/22/12995 )( https://www.pnas.org/content/110/40/16157 ). In these reverse genetic systems, to make man-made viruses with specific functions, mutations are inserted into the DNA copies of the virus. Bacteria or yeast make lots of these DNA copies, which are added mammalian cells in culture to provide live RNA viruses in the fluid surrounding them. These fluids containing the man-made viruses can then be used to infect animals or people ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19036930/ ). The goals of these experiments were likely twofold: (1) to find out how viruses like SARS can jump from bats to humans, to develop countermeasures; and (2) to develop universal vaccines to protect the world in the case of a coronavirus pandemic.

Scientists have used several man-made strategies to make viruses weaker to use as possible coronavirus vaccines. These strategies included increasing the number of attenuating mutations in the virus through alteration of a necessary viral RNA proofreading enzyme called ExoN ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3518599/ ), but these types of viruses were found to revert to a more aggressive phenotype with long term culture of 250 passages ( https://mbio.asm.org/content/8/6/e01503-17.abstract ). Viruses also were mutated to not recombine with each other (possibly increasing virulence through recombination) by changing a viral RNA “leader” sequence (ACGAAC to UGGUCGC) possibly responsible for this recombination ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-018-0175-7 ).  Additionally, there has been consideration to mutate viruses in a way, called “codon de-optimization” in which the RNA of the virus is changed to make the same viral proteins, but make them slower, and thus have slower virus growth ( https://jvi.asm.org/content/89/7/3523 ). This has been done for multiple viruses including influenza ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20543832/ ). 

As noted above, a major issue with experiments like these is that to fully examine the ways viruses jump from bats to people, and to fully develop man-made recombinant vaccines sometimes viruses are unexpectedly made that have the potential to become much more transmissible in animals and possibly in humans. These are called “gain-of-function” experiments. This appeared to happen in at least one experiment in mice published in 2015 ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26552008/ ). The danger of these experiments needs to be carefully weighed against the possible costs, since leaks from laboratories of viruses are not uncommon ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC416634/ ), and if a gain of function strain were to escape, we could have a pandemic similar to the one we are currently experiencing.

The US scientific community held a symposium in 2014, which led to the banning of funding of these “gain of function” experiments https://mbio.asm.org/content/5/6/e02366-14 . This ban was rescinded in 2016 https://osp.od.nih.gov/biotechnology/gain-of-function-research/ . Minutes of the meetings of the advisory body (the National Scientific Advisory Board for Biosecurity, or NSABB) to help the NIH and Secretary of Health (at the time, Sylvia Burwell) to decide to rescind the ban were heated ( https://osp.od.nih.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/NSABB_January_2016_Meeting_Minutes.pdf ). The NSABB members asked for multiple safety “guardrails” for this research to proceed.

In 2013, six miners in Yunnan Province, 550 miles south of Wuhan, were cleaning out a copper mine of bat droppings. They all developed a severe pneumonia with symptoms very similar to SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia, and three died. During the workup of these miners it was determined that several of the miners developed antibodies to a SARS-like coronavirus ( https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6981198-Analysis-of-Six-Patients-With-Unknown-Viruses.html ).

The WIV (Wuhan Institute of Virology) became involved, and in 2013-2014 isolated viruses from fecal swabs of 276 bats in the cave and found novel SARS-like coronaviruses in 138 of them. These samples were brought to Wuhan for further study. Manuscripts describing these viruses were published in 2016, but for some reason the publication left out the deaths of the miners from the cave ( https://www.pnas.org/content/100/22/12995 ) ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7090819/ ).

Investigators then determined that about 9% of residents of villages around the Yunnan cave had developed antibodies to a SARS-like coronavirus, yet none of them appeared to have severe symptoms. All of these villagers described bats flying around, and none of them visited the cities where SARS was endemic in 2003, so they likely developed an asymptomatic infection ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6178078/ ). 

This experiment of nature likely became a matter of intense interest. How could these humans around the cave be exposed to bats carrying a supposedly lethal SARS-like coronavirus yet have no or minimal symptoms? The implications of the answers to this question were obvious: (a) bat to human transmission could be probed in depth, and (b) a live attenuated vaccine to coronavirus could be developed by mimicking the natural process that led to an attenuated virus that caused antibody production to a SARS-like coronavirus without symptoms.

It is entirely possible that investigators at the WIV could have been performing such experiments in coronavirus gain-of-function manipulation, trying to obtain a live attenuated virus for an attenuated vaccine, based on coronaviruses isolated from Yunnan province or elsewhere, when there was a laboratory accident/leak of virus sometime in the fall of 2019.

Prominent virologists argued in a letter to Nature Medicine in early March ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 ) that lab escape, while not being entirely ruled out, was unlikely. Yet there are a number of unusual features of SARS-CoV-2, as well as some unusual scientific behavior of Chinese and US investigators, that requires explanation. Hopefully there are simple and trivial explanations, and that SARS-CoV-2 can be explained as a natural experiment that mimicked very closely a series of laboratory experiments performed in the exact place (Wuhan) where the virus was initially found in humans.

These questions point to a manipulated virus, which may have escaped from a WIV lab. These questions can be answered by an independent audit of the WIV P4 laboratories where the novel coronaviruses were being studied, which would have been one of the first steps international authorities usually take. Such an independent audit has not taken place, which is highly unusual scientific behavior.

Hopefully there are simple and trivial explanations, and that SARS-CoV-2 can be explained as a natural experiment that mimicked very closely a series of experiments performed in the exact place (Wuhan) where the virus was initially found in humans.

These questions, in no particular order, are as follows:

  • Why didn’t the investigators mention the 2013 deaths of the miners from a likely novel coronavirus in their 2016 paper describing the sequence of novel Yunnan coronaviruses ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7090819/ )? This would have been a matter of intense interest worldwide.

  • SARS-CoV-2, from its earliest isolates, appears to have optimal spike protein binding to ACE2, with very few new receptor binding domain (RBD) mutations in SARS-CoV-2 ( https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.03.074567v2 ). Usually viruses like coronavirus adapt their spike protein over time to bind human ACE2 more tightly. Can this be explained naturally?

  • A pangolin coronavirus isolated in 2019 under study at the WIV and elsewhere appears to have an RBD of its spike protein is very close to SARS-CoV-2 (97.4% amino acid homology) where the rest of this pangolin coronavirus has less homology (85-92%) ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2169-0 ). RaTG13 has a lot less homology in the RBD with SARS-CoV-2, yet is more than 96% identical to SARS-CoV-2 over the entire virus ( https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(20)30262-2.pdf ). Recombination to make SARS-CoV-2 from an ancestor of these two viruses would be an extremely rare one-time event. Is there a natural explanation for this?

  • In 2018, experiments with a novel recombinant SARS coronavirus substituted the typical TRS transcription leader and body sequences with a novel sequence (UGGUCGC) in an attempt to further reduce recombination in animal models as a live vaccine candidate ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-018-0175-7#Sec7 ). This TRS leader sequence, supposedly novel, is found starting at nucleotide 1465 in SARS-CoV-2 and could result, if utilized, in a novel viral RNA transcript that deletes part of the nsp2 protein of the ORF 1ab polyprotein. It is also found at nucleotide 1446 in RaTG13, one of the viruses found in the Yunnan cave in 2013, which has been proposed as a precursor to SARS-CoV-2. It is found in that area in no other coronavirus. This novel TRS sequence is also found in the 3’ ends of viral spike RNA transcripts of SARS-CoV. Why was this not mentioned in the 2018 paper describing the novel TRS sequence recombinant viruses? Is there an explanation for this? 

  • A recombinant SARS-like coronavirus (SHC015-MA15) containing a human SARS Urbani spike protein sequence inserted into a mouse adapted SARS-like coronavirus was found to develop increased pathogenicity during infection of aged but not young mice compared to the parent MA15 strain in a 2015 publication ( https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 ). The RNA sequence of this recombinant manipulated coronavirus was not deposited in Genbank until May 2020, five years later ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0924-2 ). This is highly unusual behavior. Is there an explanation for this?

  • In the publication of SHC015-MA15 above in November 2015, the attribution of funding of Shi Zheng Li by the US NIAID was initially left out ( https://www.nature.com/articles/nm0416-446d ).  It was reinstated in the publication in 2016 in a corrigendum, perhaps after the meeting in January 2016 to possibly reinstate NIH funding for gain of function virus research. This is also unusual scientific behavior. Is there an explanation for this?

  • After amino acid 604 of the spike protein of RaTG13, there is no difference between the spike of RaTG13 and SARS-CoV-2, yet other coronaviruses have multiple differences in this area ( https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(20)30262-2.pdf ).  The only difference between these two viruses is in the PRRA furin cleavage site, and there are novel nucleotide changes apparently inserted into SARS-CoV-2 that allow insertion of this furin cleavage site into RaTG13 ( https://medium.com/@yurideigin/lab-made-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748 ).  Is there a natural explanation for this?

There are quite possibly very simple and very benign explanations for all of these questions as well as others. They likely can be answered by a simple independent audit of the WIV P4 laboratories where the novel coronaviruses were being studied. This is one of the first steps international authorities usually take. Such an independent audit has not taken place, which is highly unusual scientific behavior.

The origin of the virus is extremely important in helping us determine what is going to happen going forward in the pandemic, as well as to suggest what possible therapies could have activity. 

It is therefore critical that we determine a precisely as we can the origin of the virus.

We are not the only scientists considering this.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bies.202000091 

We do not want in any way to cast aspersions on individual scientists or countries. All we want to do, as we have done from the beginning, is ask questions of the data.  We hope that there is international cooperation to put this issue to rest, hopefully with a benign conclusion. We also hope there is again widespread honest discussion about the risks and the benefits of gain of function viral research.

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This was all known by honest researchers last spring. https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03....
And this
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Why is it always assumed to be an accidental release? If one wanted to loose a bioweapon where would be the best place? Asking for a friend.
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"The WIV (Wuhan Institute of Virology) became involved, and in 2013-2014 isolated viruses from fecal swabs of 276 bats in the cave and found novel SARS-like coronaviruses in 138 of them."

Fecal swabs.

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Nice to actually read some logic and questions versus the ignorance and fear mongering. The media has sure convinced a lot of people of a plethora of unscientific information.

Was on a call Friday with my CFO and VP as well as some key Directors - all they kept saying was why cant people just wear masks? The people not wearing them dont believe in science - and they dont respect others. Can you believe people are walking around outside without masks??? 🤦‍♂️ Needless to say I said nothing but as they were laying out their fact-less points, I had points that could refute everything they said. And these are the people making policy and other important decisions without having really read any of the science themselves.
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Place swab on the exterior side of a mask on a covid patient. Test the swab after a certain period of time.

This is America where we test everything. The only reason this has not been performed is fear of the outcome.

Does accidental or intentional really matter anymore? This "research" changes the Darwinian process of millions of years of chance into a few years of lab manipulation. The odds favor no possibility of retention.
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@Wileycoyote40, those are some stupid mother****ers running that company.

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Facebook's Oversite Board in Case Decision 2020-006-FB-FBR has reversed Facebook's decision about removing a Oct 2020 post about HCQ:

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Only took about 3 months.

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Hey Karl - Sounds like the Reddit Mob is trying to disrupt the SLV Shorts in a similar manner to Game Stop. Are you following this and do you have any thoughts on this?

Sorry to bother you on a Sunday
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Good questions.

Viruses have escaped from weapons labs before-- smallpox in the UK, for example.

That .gov and .com are protecting the Chinese shows how far we have fallen.

@wiley-- I'm in a maskhole town. Funny how they keep getting da vids.
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So, if I understand the implications, then this likely came out of the Wuhan Lab even if their intentions were sound but dangerous science. So quick question, why is the IC so convinced this virus didn't come out of the Wuhan Lab? Has china taken over our intelligence community? Are we seriously that screwed??
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@Wileycoyote40 probably good you didn't out yourself for thoughtcrime.

We really are to that point. You dare not question the "experts" or you will be un-personed.
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'''The story starts, we believe, with a noble goal: to prevent the world from ever having the type of pandemic '''

My tinfoil hat says '

The story starts with [a noble goal] lots of money going into RNA vaccines [to prevent the world from ever having the type of pandemic '''] , and an experiment /test carried out worldwide. WITH 2 CONTROL STATES , NZ and Sweden.
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I would like to thank the author for laying out the post in an understandable format as well as providing links to referenced source materials.

Lots of questions.

Location of origin is important but also intent. Was it not reported that the lab in Wuhan destroyed much of the virus research? If so why do such things unless you have something to hide? No honest researcher conducting legitimate research would do such a thing.

Even failed or unintended consequences must be properly documented to prevent errors in the future with PROPER science. I have had experiments that failed to produce the results I desired but gave data to produce entirely new products and techniques.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article....

Or course I don't trust most media these days either.



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@Wileycoyote - literally the stupid leading the blind. Or possibly the reverse. Or maybe blind AND stupid leading even more blind and stupid people. It starts to compound after a while.
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Good article and the weblink was also very good. Thanks
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Thanks for giving this amplification. I copied it all as a keeper when seeing it yesterday. Buttresses the view I have expressed since February last year.

But I have otherwise given up attempting to engage people on the source and intent of this crisis. I don't know quite what metaphor to use to describe the state of public swallowed narratives at this point.

Society has a Day of the Triffids feel...
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Good article, however logic is not coming back nor will it ever. Why you might ask?

Simply because all of the companies especially retailers are heavily invested in this ****! From signage to expensive audio propaganda basting over the sound system and of course bull**** "training" videos for the workers!

You got that? Or do you by now still don't know what it means?

Okay, time to put down your echo Chambers and realize that yes *******s, it does turn out that big time retailers have tons of control over your asses and you don't even have to work there!

They set the trends and standards via business practices, so that small shop will have to follow suit oh and your "health department" will help see to it!

Yes sir you don't work retail and thus you think it doesn't effect you! Well then mr and mrs ******* what will you do when your job does indeed require that you get the jab? And don't be too sure it's not going to happen!

After all dollar general was requiring it for all pee ons and above they said they will pay employees 4 hours worth of work to get the jab! But now they say they're not going to require the jab!

However many companies have firmer hands and will end up requiring the jab!
It's going to work place required at some point if not in 3 months perhaps 6 months or perhaps a few years if not rona it'll be the next big thing, but it's coming to a work place near you dinner than you may think!

Hey it would be great if it would cause a general strike from coast to coast, perhaps then we really could live upto the big myth that mericans are tough and don't take ****! Perhaps we won't have to sit in our red white and blue prison cells watching europe strike and fight back!

While we also gather round and worship those in government costumes ignoring that those are the very ****s the government will send in after us!

Yeah continue to support those troops and those cops I bet you'll be able to go on being a federal reserve puppet while job worshiping and doing all for the beloved corporate cocks!

I bet you too will always be deemed essential! Yes buddy they love you and care about you that's why they want you to wear a mask in the store!!

They even said so over the sound system! They care about you workers and customers, they only have your well-being on their mind!

Oh I bet where you work they just adore you and wanna make sure you're all safe their requirements are there for your own good!!

Dr fauci and others in the 80's and 90's told us all to wear a condom, meanwhile in 10th grade sex Ed... it was revealed the condoms are practically useless particularly for disease because they "protect" only the area that's covered is the shaft so no point in wearing a balloon on your dick enjoy what's natural and the hell with it...

Yes your corporate loons listen to Dr fauci and other tards on the topic!

You want the internet and phone plus electric and gas... You want and need but by law if you have kids you must have gas and electric or they take your kids...

You want a car, some pussy perhaps man meat if you're a woman or you go that way... You want and need to the tune you can't and won't walk away from this **** bag controlled costly false life chasing after not enough money bowing to corporate cocks!!

Most of you will choose the system over freedom any day because you need the TV and internet you crave it, you crave the mindnumbing sweet voices telling how much better everything will be with their products in your hands!

You've become scared about homelessness the fear porn has gotten to you and you think walking away from the system means homelessness and that homelessness equals drug users!

You are ingrained into the system that you are superficial to the point of ignoring life and living on the surface with material things and shallow thoughts and feelings!

You need the system! You won't ever leave it! It's not really America anymore, it's just made to look like it!

Sleep just sleep it's all you can do in jail from what I've been told! You can dream about being the great American fighters you are not, you can dream about fighting those evil forces and making a stand for America but you can't do it in real life!

Let's get some more corporate goop and continue jerking off!

Let's Nick name the evil monster corpy, perhaps corpy won't be angry if we just comply, corpy will give us rewards like badges for doing the "right thing" and doing the Corps bidding!

Board of this life? You don't want to help n serve corpy? Well then join the others and off yourself, one less depressed or showing they are depressed person!

Corpy only gives and gives and does it for you and your wellbeing! Your just being a brat or you don't really want to work and that's why you resist the jab as you say!

Corpy says we should refer to it as a vaccine and or shot, not the jab!
Corpy doesn't like being mocked when corpy is only trying to help make the world ybetter place!

Remember when corpy is upset your family could pay for that, so watch your actions, no one is responsible for you but you, you need to control yourself and comply with corpy!

Don't make your family suffer, just comply corpy will treat you good and fair!



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Small hat grabblers are behind this all!! Notice how Jewish controlled and run Pfizer gets all the credit for the vaccine?

So how long is it going to be, to say you or someone you know had bad reaction to the fake vaccine is considered anti-semitic?

How long before it's a hate crime to say anything about Pfizer? Joey woey biden gonna kiss their ass too!

Yes you do realize that the presidency changed from one Jewish kiss ass to the next?

They're all the same they're all puppets for the same entity largely the Federal reserve and we all know who that's controlled by!

Reason: Wrong words
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A well written and cogent presentation.

I don't know where we're going; every 'prediction' I've made for myself and a few close friends has been 180 off. But, wherever we're headed...

...I don't ****ing like it.

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Tsherry... you probably didn't hear this factoid: though one percent of the Spokane pop, Marshallese are thirty percent of covid cases.

In other words, ****eaters.

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The case of Israel, leading the world by far in the mass vaccination contest, doesn't leave much maneuvering room for skeptics. Since Israel launched its vast vaccination campaign in December, it has been witnessing an exponential rise in COVID-19 cases and deaths. By now, the British Mutant has become Israel's dominant COVID strain. Israel's health system is on the brink of collapse.

In my article Guinea Pigs United I pointed out that the rise in cases and deaths correlates with the distribution of vaccines. In Israel, the Orthodox Jewish communities that were vaccinated en masse saw COVID cases rise 16-fold, while Israeli Arabs who at large refrained from vaccination saw numbers of COVID cases dropping sharply.

But Israel is not alone. Some other states have followed a similar path and their situation is becoming as catastrophic as the crisis we witness in the Jewish State.


https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/a-brief-exam....


And the Genocide continues around the world.

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Winston2020
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"They likely can be answered by a simple independent audit of the WIV P4 laboratories where the novel coronaviruses were being studied."

Uh, sure, like any incriminating evidence would still be present...
Winston2020
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If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

New cover-up fears as Chinese officials delete critical data about the Wuhan lab with details of 300 studies vanishing - including all those carried out by virologist dubbed Batwoman
- Chinese government facing fresh accusations of cover-up after data is deleted
- Deletion of evidence reignited fears China is trying to whitewash investigation
- China has been accused before of suppressing vital evidence about virus origins
9 Jan 2021

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article....

The Chinese government is facing fresh accusations of a cover-up after officials deleted crucial online data about the laboratory suspected of being the source of Covid-19.

The Mail on Sunday can reveal that hundreds of pages of information relating to studies carried out by the top-secret Wuhan Institute of Virology have been wiped.

Details of more than 300 studies, including many investigating diseases that pass from animals to humans, published online by the state-run National Natural Science Foundation of China (NSFC) are no longer available.

As part of the NSFCs purge of online studies, it has deleted all reference to those carried out by Shi Zhengli, the Wuhan-based virologist who has earned the nickname Batwoman for her trips to gather samples in bat caves.


Mobile Phone Activity From Wuhan Lab Suggests 'Possible Shutdown' In October Due To 'Hazardous Event'
11 May 2020

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/mobile-....

An intelligence report conducted by private analysts and presented to the US Senate intelligence committee suggests that there may have been a "hazardous event" at the Wuhan Institute of Virology between October 6 and 11, during which time roadblocks were put in place to prevent traffic from coming to the facility, according to the report obtained by NBC News.

The 24-page report includes an analysis of phone data from around the institute, including a pattern analysis of devices that frequent the WIV, show no mobile phone activity from October 7 to 24

The analysis shows that device traffic "in and around the WIV in the months prior to October was consistent," but that "Beginning on October 11th, there was a substantial decrease in activity," suggesting that the 'window for incident' was October 6th - 11th.

"During this time, it is believed that roadblocks were put in place to prevent traffic from coming near the facility."

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Tsherry
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Drifter: Absolutely correct.

Friend is a teacher in a middle school in NE Spokane with an enormous Marshallese population. A 2 bd apartment will have 15 people living there in a multigenerational environment; they share everything. They are generally nice people when they arrive, and their predecessors in the community quickly educate them as to the many welfare options out there.

According to my friend, none of them work; they don't need to. The .gov takes care of them 150%. Fraud is rampant. This is not limited of course to the Marshallese; the gypsies, Hispanics, blacks and cheap trash of other cultures all do it. It's just quite focused right now with the islanders.

By the time the kids hit middle school, they are fully indoctrinated into graft life. Most don't finish middle school. My friend has taught there for 40 years; she has had the grandchildren of her first middle schoolers as her students...because they get pregnant at 12-14 y.o. in that part of town quite frequently. It pays well.
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