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2020-11-20 07:25 by Karl Denninger
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Seriously? This Is A Scam
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Just read this here folks....

From 2010...

Yeah.

In the context of Georgia and the scamming that is descending on the state, you tell me how stupid you were NOT to stop this bull**** 10 years ago.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=164378

I hate it when I'm right.

Ok, not really.

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Expat_tom
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But Tickerguy, corporations are people and should have political speech, and the right to discriminate all they want based upon title whatever, regardless of race, color or whatever furry they identity as...

Unless they are a tech company...then when they editorialize or engage in speech and politics we are going to forget the idea that we can pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and make our own platforms and demand the government DO SOMETHING.

If I was rich enough, as soon as guys like Cruz started going on their kick about going after ****erZucker and Finding Dorsey, I would have bought market-ticker, treehouse, Breitbart, parlor and free Republic, added Single Sign-on, the ability to post cat memes and instant messaging and called it: RightBook

Just to ****ing shut up their hypocrisy. This was a mess that we allowed the politicans and judges to create and they ought to have to ****ing live with it.
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TG,
I seem to recall around the beginning of October there were many posts regarding COVID and the curve of the cases bending or dropping dramatically once a region/state hit around 1.5-2.0% cases in a population. I can't find any of these posts anymore. I was looking at some states, such as TN and CA and others and it looks like that isn't holding anymore. I am probably not remembering the point exactly but if I am is there a new or modified hypothesis?

TIA
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@Royhobbs - The "Maskhole" area has the posts, but the issue that arose is the intentional pollution of the data set with false positives, which I detected in the middle to late summer and thus stopped updating those projections.

The problem is that if you have a county of 100,000 people and report 2,000 positives, if there are 10 asymptomatic and not-tested for every one who is you've got a good model. With 30-50% pre-existing T-cell reactivity that's a 50-70% prevalence of resistance and its over.

This looked good through roughly the middle of July, and then it started to blow up. When I looked at the positive test numbers there were clear dislocations -- but when the actual problem occurred can't be determined from that, only that the problem exists.

Well, if you report 2,000 positives but only 500 people really ARE positive..... oops.

And that appears to be the case; when I found this originally I tried to get the CT numbers from the TNDOH. They said they didn't have them (either false or intentionally not recording it) but with that reply there was no further point in tracing infections and projecting based on them, because for all I knew 5 out of 10 were not real. I could try to sue them but that's about all there is when you get told to pound sand.

Notice that NOBODY has reported seropositive studies since roughly July. Guess why? Those are REAL cheap ($2/test) and can be done on a mass, no-id-required basis (other than to check that you live there) and give you VERY good results in terms of immunity levels. Only JAPAN has reported one of those studies since, in September, and showed that they had reached suppression in Tokyo. We have not, and the obvious reason why not is that if you DID report one of those it would instantly make irrefutable that the so-called "positive" test numbers are abject frauds.

What it looks like is precisely that, so now all you have is HX -- so I'm now working backward on that on the premise that it's a (lot) harder to fake a body, whether live in a bed or dead in a hole.

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Well the governor of the live free or die state just imposed a mask mandate both inside and outside when social distancing is not available. no fines yet so i assume the purpose is to give the green light for Karen's everywhere to impose their demands on everyone else. Divide and conquer remains alive and well.
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Well since the motto is "Live free or die" that leaves only one question:

Who dies?

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]]]]]]]]]]Only JAPAN has reported one of those studies since, in September, and showed that they had reached suppression in Tokyo.


Karl, do you know if that study has passed through peer review now?

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Haven't looked in the last couple weeks.

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TG here is an article in Medical Xpress, a cov-antibody study by University of Arizona

October 13, 2020

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-s....


SARS-CoV-2 antibodies provide lasting immunity

by University of Arizona Health Sciences


Earlier studies extrapolated antibody production from initial infections and suggested antibody levels drop quickly after infection, providing only short-term immunity. Dr. Bhattacharya believes those conclusions focused on short-lived plasma cells and failed to take into account long-lived plasma cells and the high-affinity antibodies they produce.

"The latest time-points we tracked in infected individuals were past seven months, so that is the longest period of time we can confirm immunity lasts," Dr. Bhattacharya said. "That said, we know that people who were infected with the first SARS coronavirus, which is the most similar virus to SARS-CoV-2, are still seeing immunity 17 years after infection. If SARS-CoV-2 is anything like the first one, we expect antibodies to last at least two years, and it would be unlikely for anything much shorter."

The scientific verification of the high level of accuracy of the UofArizona Health Sciences antibody test is the other finding highlighted in the Immunity paper. Of 5,882 tests completed, only one returned a false positive, a rate of less than .02%. The test received U.S. Food and Drug Administration emergency use authorization in August.

Dr. Nikolich-Zugich said the team now has tested almost 30,000 people. Antibody tests still are available for anyone in Arizona age 18 and older at multiple locations throughout the state. Visit covid19antibodytesting.arizona.edu for more information and to sign up for testing.
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TG... under another heading there was an indication that you would like to be on live camera / with 10-20 different types of ballots and you could note in a brief time ( I believe 10 minutes ) if shenanigans took place ... at some point would you care to expound on those thoughts ... TY
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I've sent an email message to one of the doctors involved in the study. Maybe he isn't able or willing to say anything, but worth a try.

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@Thethinman - Coronaviruses are known to run in cycles from 2-4 years; my base level expectation is that cross-immunity and infectious immunity (or any other sort, including that induced from a vaccine) is likely good for 2-3 years and perhaps longer.

It would be shocking if this was not true; it has been my base presumption since this started, since we have quite a decent amount of data on seasonal coronavirus infection curves over the space of a couple of decades. There is utterly no reason whatsoever to believe that this specific virus behaves any differently than the others in the family when it comes to antibody life cycles.

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Captain Obvious here...

There really isn't any reason to believe this virus has an entirely different set of properties than other viruses in its family. However, whenever any policy could be based upon standard understandings of basic epidemiology, it suddenly changes for some miraculous exception to the rule.

Chief among them is the entire concept of seroconversion to the virus through natural antibodies. Such antibodies will, by definition, be more effective than any vaccine that is produced. When we are told that the vaccine is the key to our liberation, and that previous exposure and seroconversion are unreliable at best, you have to know it isn't about virology and best-practices medical policy.

At every turn, we are told that "this time it's different."

What is it? three cases worldwide, where someone who caught CV19 got it again? How do we know the data is correct? Even so, do we corrupt the entire world understanding on a 3 in 500million instance?

EVERY DOCTOR I TALK TO says what KD says. I had to see a doc over the past few months to rule out something. We had to all do the mask hole theater, but once he got into the room, I told him that I prefer that we both not wear a mask, because in matters this personal, I prefer to see the face to face communication. He was elated and couldn't agree more. His response? "I wish I could get COVID and get it overwith, since we are all going to get it anyway."

This virus has been a perfect fit for EVERY SINGLE POLITICAL AIM OF 2020. No matter what the globalists wanted, the virus was there to deliver.

Had it not been for the massive show that China put on in January, the intentional seeding of it worldwide, and giving it a name, this would have, at best, been nothing more than background noise against the standard seasonal virus data. You would have to have been looking for it, with an eye to separate it out from what happens every year, to even know it existed. 99% of the docs would have given you the Flu A and Flu B test, and shrugged their shoulders, sent you home, and you would fight off whatever it is and be back to normal.

The virus now exists to condition us to jettison the foundations of a prosperous society.

Always ask, "Cui Bono?"

Always.

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Eleua: In the case of China, I suspect because of panic and cross inflections their initial fatality rates were much higher.

You had hospitals packed with people who had flu and sinus infections already and THEN they got Rona on top of it, so they were initially seeing higher fatalities that caused them to freak their ****.

They basically had to lockdown at least Wuhan after their ****-up Superspreading parties and then all of the cross-infections from poorly ventilated hospitals and apartments.

Also don't forget that there is some circumstantial evidence that repeated exposure leads to worse outcomes due to viral load. So if you are in a poorly ventilated apartment and ten people get it and you are being exposed to them, you are going to have a much higher viral load and shorter leadtime on doubling before your body has a chance to mount and immune response.

China ****ed up with a lot, especially when they could have controlled it early on, but after a certain point they were screwed and couldn't really do anything else but shut down till they figured out what the hell they were dealing with.
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Also don't forget that there is some circumstantial evidence that repeated exposure leads to worse outcomes due to viral load.

Bull****. Possible with a bacteria, not a virus.

Why?

Because viral replication happens at an exponential scale of 1000x and up per "turn." (Bacteria double.) As such even if you got 10x or 100x the dose of someone else required to get infected it makes no difference since that gets overrun with the first replication.

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Tickerguy, I was going on the premise that perhaps some of the cross-immunity (since we are dealing with a novel pathogen) isn't quite a binary choice and what we are seeing is that for some people T-Cell response is not an all or nothing choice but a gradient.

Maybe some of body says, 'oh yeah I know what the hell the is' and other tissues are saying 'da fuq you say?' and it takes a given amount of time for the tissues that are responsive to mount an effective defense rather than an immediate one.

But I don't know enough about epigenetic expression, my reference frame is for tissue selection of anabolics. While that is a hormone response and not a pathogen, the concept seems like it could be congruent, you can dose a human up with say, Dianabol and while their traps respond well, they may be a poor genetic responder to developing calf or bicep muscle, know matter what compounds or amounts are thrown at them.
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Doesn't matter. It's a math thing.

Dose-dependence matters for fungi and bacteria since they are complete organisms and reproduce in a binary manner.

Not so for viruses; they reproduce exponentially.

Now it DOES matter when it comes to immune response; you can have a partial response ala a flu vaccine "close match.". This likely is in play with many asymptomatic cases; not enough to prevent infection but enough to prevent symptoms.

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