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Koschei
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The 17th amendment could be repealed without Congress by application of 2/3 of the State Legislatures and subsequent ratification, per Article V of the Constitution:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof...

Unlikely to ever happen, but not impossible.
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@Koschei - That process, once opened, cannot be constrained. It has never been used for this reason; if it was to be you might wake up one morning to find the entire Constitution literally gutted.

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Whitehat
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The constitution has already been gutted. Why not make it official.

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Keeping the underground economy keeps the peace and allows rebellious elements to protest their condition without actually protesting the government.

What were you doing over the years as your children's future was being destroyed? Do not expect them to fix your mistakes or tolerate you for them.
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Any proposed amendments to gut the Constitution still have to be ratified by three forths the States.

At this point I'll take my chances on the Convention to bypass Congress. If we can't trust the supermajority of State governments to do the right thing, then Federalism is dead.
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The bigger problem is if the people are so apathetic to disregard the existing provisions, going through the hoops to put in "fixes" will only yield more things for which apathy will de facto eliminate.

If we dont give a **** that Obama and Harris were/are ineligible for the presidency, or that churches can be regulated during a virus, or that the First Amendment can be applied in a disparate manner, or that the Second Amendment is subject to emotions of the moment, or that Obamacare was a tax, or that abortion is a protected right, etc, we won't give a **** what the new amendments say.

The MSM runs this country on emotion and disinformation. You can't rise above that.

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Koschei
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@Tickerguy - The convention can only propose amendments which 3/4 of the states must ratify. If 3/4 of the states want to gut the Constitution, it is game over.
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Quote:

if it was to be you might wake up one morning to find the entire Constitution literally gutted.


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It seems that day has already arrived.

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I understand -- I'm simply pointing out that you're not getting rid of JUST A17 with a ConCon. Don't believe that for one second.

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Maybe that's a good thing.

The Framers put the provision in for a reason but we've had a lack of courage to use it, and instead been content with the Congress and Courts discovering new powers rather than explicitly granting them or restricting them.

Maybe certain things should be stripped. For years Conservatives have wanted to dismantle the Postal Service without going through the Amendment process just as for years Liberals have tried to add Universal Healthcare without going through the Amendment process.

Likewise other failed efforts like the Balanced Budget Amendment or Line-Item Veto have been held by by Congress for years because, it would limit their own power.

It is high time the States reclaim their power as a check and balance on the Federal government and without the power of filling the Senate seats, the Convention is the only tool left.

The Constitution is not a static document, it was meant to be revised from time to time as the need arises. Besides, at this point, any Amendment Congress did pass, I would view as more tainted than any that came via Convention.

I'll take the risk of the treatment, the current disease is killing us.
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LOL - We know you have a much better handle on that than most of our so called "law makers"

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Rbrown
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@Tickerguy...you are 1000% correct... we do NOT want / need a ConCon... nor a Convention of States.... IMHO we would find ourselves with a new Constitution ... we MUST avoid these !!!
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@Eleua: Not that I will vote for her, but are you saying that Harris is not meet requirements to be eligible for presidency? at least 35 yrs, born in us, residence for at least 14 yrs?
She has to be voted in(might never happen), but other than what is listed, what am I missing?
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Neither of her parents were citizens at the time of her birth. She is ineligible as she has dual allegiance.

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A ConCon would only be good for the people who have bought / control / own the representatives, and the citizen's Liberty, or ensuring its protection, would be at the bottom of the "To Do" list, never to be mentioned...just like it has been at the bottom for decades.

Bottom line...they're already out in the open with their intentions, and doing what they want right now: Patriot Act, NSA, ACA, et.al.

What makes you think a ConCon will save the day?

45% of the voting public will vote for a demented man running for President this election, which proves you could never get the needed 75% to right this ship.
Tsherry
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>>You can't rise above that.>>

Well, you can, but a wholesale slaughter would be required.

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Speaking of CW2, here's an interesting story out of Michigan. Was this just a local dispute, or is Antifa getting more creative?

https://www.abc12.com/2020/09/30/farmer-....

I imagine the goal was either to damage the farmer's machinery, make the corn impossible to harvest, or kill someone (it was feed corn, but the perp may not have known that). Reminds me of what Karl has often pointed out about the kind of damage a few angry men with $15 worth of screws and washers can cause.
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@Frieza That had to be a local dispute between farmers or others seeking revenge.
Cows would never eat metal parts that big. Also metal detecting feed rolls have been on choppers for years to protect the knives. I can't believe a farmer who harvested a thousand tons had an old machine. Cows will eat metal scraps of everything. Ever since barbed wire was invented around the Civil War era this became a problem. Stomach magnets to collect and isolate these scraps have been used for over 50 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_d....
Jw.
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That's one hell of a podcast.

If the USSC has already altered the Constitution to pursue the agenda then the path towards its further and full destruction is obvious.

The full on police state will come at the hands of both the right and left, as everything destructive in this country has to date. This election will the catalyst for its implementation.

Trump is part of this and most if not all will only see this after it is too late.

Kavanaugh let the Clintons off the hook in the S&L scandal, he is part of the machine.

It's all theater to keep people believing their party is 'fighting for them' while....

The rich keep getting richer and the rest of us keep getting squeezed financially.


Buh bye USA, it was an interesting ride.

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The 17th amendment was put there for a reason and the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side.

In the old days, senators were chosen in "smoke-filled rooms" and state legislators proved especially vulnerable to corruption. They ended up with railroad company senators, oil company senators, United Fruit senators, and so on.

Would you really want that today? You would end up with Google, Facebook, Twitter, and Netflix senators.
Erroldo
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As for Harris not qualifying, based on Karl's response to my post, it would seem to be a "natural born" citizen" would mean you must be born on US soil and at least 1 parent must be a us citizen at the time. Not sure if that is the case and from the little I read, being born on US soil makes one a natural born citizen and have been so since the constitutional convention. Natural born springs from its usage during English rule from English common law.
Not trying to nit pick this but I think such details are important if the rule of law is to govern the land.
Ebt
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Just had a thought. Why not so many Covid19 cases in China, and throughout much of Asia and parts of the rest of the world.

Covid19 was made in a lab. There could be 3 strains

1. Assassination Grade - like what they hit them with in Wuhan initially + the Iranian politicians in Feb
2. A bad strain. What we have had here, Brazil, Europe.
3. A benign strain. Doesn't do anything, but makes you immune.

Spread the bad strain here + throughout the world. But aggressively spread the benign strain through China and much of Asia.

And there you go. Explains exactly what we've seen.

Why does Fauci, CDC, NIH not pick up on it? Quite possibly because they're in on it. Globalists, get rid of Trump, depopulate, move the world towards wherever WHO, UN, et al think it needs to go.
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I don't think that is the case. The virus is about 30,000 bases of single stranded RNA and has been sequenced extensively. The mutations do show the path it took through the world. The errors keep adding so by tracking the errors the path and timing can be inferred. At the same time there had better be a bunch of Illumina reagents arriving at the Whitehouse to track the source of the outbreak there.

Illumina is the big sequencing company and it is just as easy to sequence RNA as DNA.

I don't think RNA has the same epigenetic "memory" for states outside of the sequence of bases. (Could easily be wrong)

Now, did they make sure it was less lethal for Han Chinese? Well of course they tried.
Whitehat
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Ebt wrote..
The 17th amendment was put there for a reason and the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side.

In the old days, senators were chosen in "smoke-filled rooms" and state legislators proved especially vulnerable to corruption. They ended up with railroad company senators, oil company senators, United Fruit senators, and so on.

Would you really want that today? You would end up with Google, Facebook, Twitter, and Netflix senators.

They were still accountable to the state legislatures which were still accountable to their state residents. A state legislature will still act in its home state's interest. A popularly elected senator plays to the people from a national point of view, what he can bring home to them from Washington, dividing the pie so to say. That is the job of the house members among other things. The senator is not to be about money to the detriment of his more important role. Making both house and senate about money to a large degree makes Washington too powerful. It is really the only tool that Washington has to control the country.

State legislatures have grown more corrupt, not less, due to this change. Severing their direct link to Washington caused them to turn inside of themselves and play graft and influence games. Essentially, the state legislatures lost the ability to roughly fifty percent govern the country and every member of them ultimately aspires to national politics as a result in the form of elected office or some appointment. This is where the real money is.

State legislatures must now be bought, not convinced.

A senator accountable to the state legislature is ensuring that the autonomy of the state and ultimately the will of its people is not subordinated to national politics. Absent this, the senator is forced to compete for popular votes by subordinating his state to Washington. He has no other logical option.

Do you see the problem? It forces senators to buy votes and the state's people are forced to settle for nothing more.

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Burya_rubenstein
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I favor, given the idea of States being semi-independent mini-nations, letting each State decide for itself how it wants to pick its Senators. Not only that, but how long they serve and how and under what circumstances they get replaced. Maybe, just maybe, one of them will come up with one with relatively low corruption results.
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