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2020-10-11 19:39 by Karl Denninger
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And Now The Hammer Falls: CDC KNOWS Masks Worthless
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Hoh hoh hoh look what we have here...

Publication date September 11th, prior to Redfield's testimony before Congress.

He committed perjury and there is proof.  His own agency's report documents that masks have no statistical benefit.

 

Note that unlike the other data in this report this table has no CI  bands displayed.  The reason is obvious when you look at it; the two associations that are statistically-significant are being in close contact with a known case (duh) and having a family member who was the close case.  Interestingly enough what is also borne out in the data is that people who are friends are negatively associated (in other words you're probably not getting it from someone asymptomatically as your friends stay away from you when they know they're sick) and the same negative association is present for work colleagues.

But the screaming data is at the bottom.  70.6% of the people who got the bug always wore cloth face coverings (or better) in the 14 days prior, .vs. only 74.2% who did not get the bug, and there was only one tick difference between those who "often" wore a mask.

This is statistical non-confirmation folks and while this is an observational study and thus cannot prove causation observational studies can disprove a thesis.  In this case exactly that occurred:  It disproved the effectiveness of masks.

This is in fact the CDC's own weekly report folks and it was issued five days before Redfield testified before the Senate.

He LIED, knowingly.  His own agency produced and published this report five days before his testimony.

Lock that SOB up for perjury and drop all mask mandates.  They're worthless based on the CDC's own statistical data.

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Asimov
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It is so extraordinarily frustrating. I can't even express it.

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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

Festina lente.
Greenacr
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Yep, Masks are worthless and so is the CDC, WHO and NIH
Mangymutt
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Sadly masks are doing exactly what they are intended to do.

Control you and I while small businesses close down forever, make us fearful of those who want to believe REAL science, put the fear of the flu into our children forever.


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Greenacr
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Masks are worthless and so is the CDC, WHO and NIH


Your list seems to be missing A LOT of agencies we don't need along with their stupid regulations.

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Your list seems to be missing A LOT of agencies we don't need along with their stupid regulations.


True that,especially organizations with the letter W(orld) or U(nited). Usually they are far from that besides in order to exercise a somewhat effective control a national stucture seems the superior one. Better still people should be encouraged to take their own responsability.

Anyway, vintage post. Busted. Masks do zilch. Yet people seem to draw a weird sense of comfort and security from them. Here in Holland they are not mandated (except in public transport) yet ppl seem to pine for them. Beats me.
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I do not care what sort of personal fetish people have.

I've got mine -- they tend to be associated with specific traits in women. If yours is wearing a diaper on your face, have at it.

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Masks keep everyone involved in the "COVID story" and keep the fear level at a high boil. In this way the Elite's can ram a vaccine down our throats and the people won't offer much resistance.
I'm not sure where the tech is today, but, ten years ago bioengineers had built an anti-HCG DNA sequence that would generate antibodies that, in effect, render the recipient of the sequence sterile. (HGC is a naturally occurring fertility hormone.) This engineered sequence was included in a smallpox vaccine, Vaccinia, and it worked.
It would be trivially easy to put this material into any vaccine. It's nearly undetectable. You'd have a sterilized population before it ever knew what hit it.
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Karl,

I looked at the info on the CDC website and noticed that the section you posted has been "Corrected".

Is that recent?
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The table was not changed nor any of the actual data as far as I know. The erratum merely changed the contact email address.

I am of course assuming that the CDC did not tamper with the contents without notice, and their erratum is correct and complete.

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If yours is wearing a diaper on your face, have at it.


Yep, have at it... as long as you don't DEMAND THAT I HAVE TO DO IT ALSO!

That's been my mantra since early on... you absolutely have a right to be frightened, wear a mask, keep yourself and your kids home, keep those same kids out of school and sports. I truly believe in freedom.

That said... YOU DO *NOT* HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEMAND THAT I DO THE SAME. If you disagree, you're a petty tyrant, and our esteemed host has mentioned a certain rusty chainsaw ...

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It's like the miasma thing and strong smells before disease was understood.
Masks are a way of feeling like you're doing something against a danger that you can not control.

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Festina lente.
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It is time to bring out the "Rabbit Foot" once again, a talisman that can be used to ward off the "bogeyman" or "Sasquatch" or "the monster under my bed" -- whatever creeps you out, basically.

The Karens in our region are about 80% "still hiding under the bed" while the other 20% are selectively foraging locally with masks on, vigilantly searching out mask deniers as they make their purchases.

They are invariably, Leftists.

I will not wear a mask. I get no pushback at the local gun range (we are all armed, lol) but I catch a few stink eyes at Walmart, Home Depot, etc.

Seeing masks on toddlers breaks my heart. I want to shake their sheeple parents but there are too many of them; they are so compliant that they actually believe that they are doing good by their kids.

When seasonal H/N variant influenza emerges, masking will morph seamlessly from Covid19 to the former;
you can take that to the bank.
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@KD: "...specific traits in women"?

Here, as a public service, I present the following:

https://www.returnofkings.com/97863/13-s....
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So...when do we organize to pursue Civil RICO case because the DOJ is not going to do jack ****.
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Oh yeah, and apparently there are no samples of the virus available. For a virus that we shut down the entire country and a good portion of the world. How the **** does that work?
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Masks do zilch. Yet people seem to draw a weird sense of comfort and security from them.


I blame television.
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It's like the miasma thing and strong smells before disease was understood.


I don't know, sometimes the old ways are best. I can think of many people who could benefit from a good bleeding.

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In the discussion section the glaringly obvious lack of correlation to mask use was completely ignored. Guess they are so used to P hacking for small values that when a huge value shows up they just pass right over it. And a lovely graph of confidence intervals but oops, forgot to graph the mask vs no mask.
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Oh absolutely.

And then there's another one that hit today where the abstract's summary claims that masks work. Except.... they also say that there was no correlation with the TYPE OF MASK and further, that THOSE WHO WORE MASKS WERE MORE LIKELY TO SOCIALLY DISTANCE.

The first correlation is physics and that it's missing is proof of NON-effectiveness. The second is the confounder that they deliberately ignored.

Both of which are why you have to read these damn things; the deliberate scientific dishonesty these days is ASTOUNDING.

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When woke Karens hound you to wear a mask, here is the question you need to ask them:

When you are under thick blankets at night during the Winter and you fart, you eventually get to smell it, so how can your mask prevent you from smelling / inhaling a virus, when your mask is much thinner than your blankets?


P.S. Instead of dropping money in my tip jar for the free entertainment, please look to the right, and click to purchase the book Leverage if you have not.

The host will much appreciate it, and you will become more educated.
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I wear masks when;

Working in dusty environments,

Running my leaf blower, working with insulation...

Operating on a patient

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It would be trivially easy to put this material into any vaccine. It's nearly undetectable. You'd have a sterilized population before it ever knew what hit it.


Even though the vast majority will fail miserably at it, the greatest (IMHO) thing we as humans can do is have children. We can sail the oceans, climb mountains, start our own business and be successful in so many ways, that it makes being Human a joy. But seeing, holding and knowing a precious life is dependent on us, stirs our deepest emotions. If you are a parent you know what I mean.

I know several people who are perfectly content not being a parent (Doesn't mean they don't have kids) But there is something that awakens within us when we do chose to parent. Part of that awakening is being able to pass along our life's experiences, that 100, 200 or 1000 years from now a part of us will be passed forward, but perhaps the most important thing is hope. Hope that our child/ren will do great things.

If you are caused harm by a vaccine here in America your only monetary recourse is through the tax payer. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/....
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(b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings
(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.


If you are sterilized AND you can PROVE it was because of the vaccine you will get $XX amount from the tax payer. But your hope for a better future has been irreparably stolen.

If the person is from a third world nation and is not only sterilized but their already born children are forever physically or mentally disabled because of a vaccine, there is no recourse.

As Karl states above
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I do not care what sort of personal fetish people have.
As long as they are funding their fun, it is no ones business what they do in private. So should consenting adults be able to subject themselves to whatever quackery they choose to pay for. But when "The Powers That Be" force that quackery upon our children and their future, we as parents have an obligation to protect them.

So when Contra-2 says
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Masks keep everyone involved in the "COVID story"
it should cause even the lowest IQ'ed order follower to question: What exactly is the COVID story?

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the deliberate scientific dishonesty these days is ASTOUNDING.


Summed up by Asimov
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It is so extraordinarily frustrating. I can't even express it.


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Now that science is politicized, is anyone surprised that people in positions of leadership now lie about science?

Recently I came across a discussion from academia, not sure if it was at the pre-college or college level, but the writer made mention of STEAM, rather than STEM. The "A" refers to Arts. Lovely. They've got their foot in the door. Steam. Steaming pile of monkey dung.

Until recently, going the STEM route suggested the student was intending to learn something that provided some marketable skills/experience/education to use after graduation.

Leftist engineering - I wonder if part of the GND will include building waterwheels like this? Better not let AOC see this.

https://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/3d/i....
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