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2020-08-29 17:33 by Karl Denninger
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PROOF: #Covid19, Absent Manslaughter, IS THE FLU
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The jury is in and the data is incontrovertible.

We have all "lived with" Covid19 now for six months.  The majority of the nation has reached suppression levels.  FL, TN, TX, AZ, SC, MS, GA, LA and more.  There are a few states (and counties within states) that have not; Hawaii and South Dakota are two notable ones.

Now that we are here we can take a worst-case scenario for a county that has reached suppression and compare it with other things.  I will use mine, since we're here and we have a jackass for a county Mayor who has refused to drop his obscene mask order.

From the County today:

From the state health dept.: there are 2,219 confirmed and probable cases, 20,160 negative tests, 1,713 recoveries, 494 active cases, 81 hospitalizations since the outbreak, and 12 deaths in Sevier County due to COVID-19.

Ok, that's our baseline.  The last death was quite a little while back, so we are not exactly stacking up bodies like cordwood.

The general assumption we'll make, which we know isn't true, is that the deaths are actually "due to" Covid19.  Due to how the CDC counts deaths, by their own admission only 6% of them are entirely due to Covid19.  In fact the CDC admits, in their own data, that over 5,100 accidents, suicides and poisonings are counted as "Covid19" deaths -- which is outright fraud. I will note that for every other disease or condition there must be causality demonstrated; that is, in the chain of events leading to death on the death certificate (which almost-always has as the "last" or "most-imminent" item respiratory or circulatory failure) the condition must be present.  The CDC is not doing this with Covid and that's an outrageous and criminal overstatement of the mortality this virus causes.

But I'll give you entire 12 deaths, because even if every last one of them was ultimately caused by the virus, it still doesn't matter.

Why?

 

That's why.

Over a four year, pre-Covid period, as documented by the Tennessee Department of Health, 4,200 people died in this county, or about 1,050 a year.  This is above my "best guess" of 0.85% (we have about 100,000 people here) but it is what it is.  That 15% discrepancy may be a lot of fat or just unhealthy people; who knows.  It doesn't matter; dead is dead.

What does matter is that on average 26 people a year in this county die from influenza and pneumonia.

Now we have not, in this county, shoved the virus into nursing homes and similar environments.  We might do it in the future, but for now we haven't.  And if you do not do that it is now proved, as we've reached suppression and thus no longer can take a logarithmic spike in either cases or deaths, that this virus is no worse in terms of the risk of death than the flu.

The debate is over folks.

That other counties and states have not achieved this means they, either through malfeasance or intentional action, killed people.

And this, my friends, is without the use of early intervention as I noted in my last Youtube video.

There is no emergency and never was, absent the willful and intentional actions of individuals in both governments and health care.  Period.  The evidence is clear, it is unequivocal and it cannot be questioned.  We have clearly reached suppression in this county.

More to the point this is in exact correlation with Sweden, which locked down nothing and yet 50% of their deaths occurred due to not protecting the people in nursing homes as well.  Take those back out as negligent homicide and you find that this bug is....... the flu.

Sweden typically loses 2,700 people a year to influenza and pneumonia, almost exactly half of the number that Covid19 has killed.

There is no argument for any mandate, anywhere, in any form.  Not for vaccines, not for masks, not for anything.  Absent intentional action that is known to likely cause (and does cause) the death of people through gross negligence, specifically by refusing to deal with the fact that this virus is transmitted in crap and nursing homes have ~40% of their residents incontinent, which means you cannot allow the virus into such a place under any circumstance or it will kill people -- and this means you must lock in the staff -- this virus is in fact no worse than the flu and, if you treat early with any of the the treatment modalities that we have every reason to believe will work including HCQ and Ivermectin (more data coming by the day on that) aggressively and early we can likely cut that death rate down even more-dramatically meaning this virus is less lethal, likely by about half, than the flu.

The debate is over folks; the math is what it is and any government official who tries to do anything to constrain anyone in their business or personal life beyond the boundaries of a nursing or hospital facility should be ignored and, if they try to enforce same, they should be treated exactly as you would any felon who is attempting to kidnap or kill you.

The insanity must end right here and now.

The evidence is not just overwhelming it is irrefutable.

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This post is clear and concise--as usual, KD. Yet, there is virtually no impetus--and no pathway--for the citizenry to counter the overwhelming "pandemic panic" seemingly embraced, by screaming Karens, every politician down to dog catcher and virtually all businesses, in demanding that we all "mask up, dammit, it's just a damn mask."

Like you, I am enormously frustrated and disappointed in my country for continuing this farce beyond the first 15 days to "flatten the curve." Then, there was uncertainty; now, there is only the continual moving of the goal posts until "every last virion is destroyed"/we get the vaccine."

All of this is shyt; all designed to keep us off-balance, fearful, unquestioning of the motives of the CANCER that is our American "leadership."

It is The Great Distraction. What are we missing? NWO manipulations? Banking realignments? A presidential elections to be stolen?

When The Powers That Be want us to look "there" I look around to see what they do not want me to see. And what I see is a communist takeover of the U.S. (or at least a solidification of their position).

We will go to guns before this is over, I fear. Perhaps over the demand to "stick out your arms, dammit, it's just a damn shot."
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Of course there's a pathway.

Are you willing to walk it?

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We will NOT go to guns before this is over, I fear.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08....

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This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid

Thats 9,210 deaths

The other 94% had 2-3 other serious illnesses & the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age

- Mel Q


Pie hole virus.
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Karl,

Two huge stories today (easily searched and found).

CDC reports just 6% of COVID deaths had no other cause of death. The average Covid death had 2.6 other causes.

NY Times report that the US PCR test is too sensitive and upwards of 90% of positive tests are of uninfected people with neglible virus.

How many Americans actually died of a "Covid" respiratory virus? Not died after a positive test, but died from factors related to virus infection? I think it is incredibly low. I think the vast majority of excess deaths were panic induced and medical malpractice. I think the nosocomial behavior of COVID demands investigation. Is the number of nosocomial deaths out of the ordinary? If so, why? How is a disease so lethal to those in care centers but so mild elsewhere?

What is crystal clear is Covid is not a threat to the average person. It is also crystal clear that far too many American officials are tyrannical liars.
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And ...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid....
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Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.

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There are other interesting things in here too.

The influenza numbers are implausibly (by up to 90%!) small. They're clearly stuffing the Covid19 box. In fact you can find exactly where too -- they are outright admitting that more than a third of the deaths were coincident with influenza. Did the flu kill them or did Covid19 kill them?

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How is a disease so lethal to those in care centers but so mild elsewhere


$13k to treat covid. $39k to treat covid with a ventilator.


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A VERY LARGE percentage of the people in those care homes are EXCEPTIONALLY brittle. In fact the MEDIAN life expectancy for someone who first goes into such a place is SIX MONTHS.

In fact I'm willing to bet that no more than 10% of the people who live in such a place could climb ONE flight of stairs. That is, they have no more than 3-4 METS of maximum capacity; an ordinary "carpet slug" sedentary American typically can manage 8 or thereabouts. (1 MET = your cardio-pulmonary capacity required to rest quietly.)

Essentially ANY acute disease that compromises your cardio-pulmonary system and infects someone in one of those places has a very high probability of killing them.

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@Tickerguy

Best presentation yet. BRAVO.

The data from your county coincide perfectly well with what we observe in Canada. Covid is just the same as the Flu. Proof positive that this whole thing is just fear mongering.

Keep up the good work. I'm sick and tired of being pushed arround by our polititians.

Have a nice day... life !
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"Of course there's a pathway.

Are you willing to walk it?"

Kyle knew it and was WILLING to WALK IT!

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Based on current data for Florida, my WAG for total reported COVID deaths is ...

17,500

That leaves about 6,100 to go from current levels. 100/day for a month, then 65/day for a month, then 35/day for a month is probably not too far off the mark. That winds things up a bit after Thanksgiving, just in time to start a new round of fear porn over the 2021 flu season. smiley Be sure to get your masks now, before supplies run short.

Method used is a doubling of the total deaths at the reporting peak on August 11, rounded up to the nearest 100.

Florida population exceeds 21 million, so mortality rate would be ~ 0.1%.


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People need to start making clear that if this **** does not stop NOW this will be how it's treated:

 

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For a truer picture of influenza this season, go to: CDC-fluview-interactive. Look at the graphs and especially the data available via those green download buttons. An example, if one were to add up all of the P&I deaths nationwide as reported by the individual states M.E.s and coroners, one would find total reported deaths for the 2019-2020 so far, over 230,000 have been reported.
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Elon Musk with some Covid transparency. The initial Covid tests his companies used had a 50% false positive. Out of 60,000 employees only one was seriously ill and none died.

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/stat....
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Most folks in nursing homes have been exposed to the flu, naturally, catching and surviving the virus, and via vaccination. But as you age, your immune system, like everything else, becomes less effective. And so flu vaccines are less effective in the elderly. The ironic thing is that governments are attempting to prevent the next generation of nursing home residents from developing natural immunity to COVID-19 by locking down, masking up, etc. Ridiculous!
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@Njca - What's especially galling is that there are known nutritional links that are easy, inexpensive and extraordinarily safe -- and may be prophylactic to at least some degree. I've been running that protocol myself because it's cheap (pennies a day) and I see zero downside to it. It may do nothing, but then again I'm reasonably sure I've been exposed at least twice, and have yet to get it. Whether that's just luck and the claim of this thing being crazy-easy to transmit is total horse**** (which I think is actually quite-likely) or whether the prophylaxis worked to ward it off doesn't matter, really.

There are also extraordinarily safe medications that can be used immediately upon confirmed exposure or infection. They're almost as safe as the supplements, and MAY work. They also may not. But, since they're nearly as safe as a sugar pill (Ivermectin in particular, which has had close to 4 BILLION doses consumed worldwide since it was certified) and they're dirt cheap on top of it why would you NOT make the attempt? Since the current testing is basically worthless (never mind volunteering yourself for a nice database outside of your control) I have refused to go do that, but if I was to become symptomatic I'd presume it was Covid and act accordingly. Might it not work? Certainly; there's no guarantee. But I doubt very much that what I would intend to do would hurt me, once again, so it's all odds of reward and very little odds of harm.

Finally, for those who it APPEARS are getting into trouble there are therapies to deal with THAT too. Specifically, we've known for the last four months that a huge percentage of those who this thing kills are in fact killed by clotting disorders. We know how to treat those and have known for decades. Exactly HOW effective that treatment is again is subject to some speculation and THAT is something you don't do at home, but at the point you know you're in that kind of trouble you're in a hospital anyway. The primary risk there is a bleed, which in a small percentage of cases can be extremely serious or even kill you outright, especially if its cranial, but again if you have a 1% chance of such a thing happening and a 10% chance of the disease in its current state killing you, well, I'll take the 1% thank you very little and if it cuts the death rate by more than 10% then it's a win. The evidence, incidentally, is that it's roughly a 30% decrease in death risk, so it's a DEFINITE win.

Note that all of these statistics I put forward assume NO prophylaxis AND that the "standard of care" is what everyone uses, which is asinine but it is what it is -- in other words, sit at home and until you exhaust ALL of your excess pulmonary capacity do nothing. IF that happens THEN go to the hospital. Well, **** that, but even with that intentional refusal to treat or use prophylaxis the bug is STILL no more lethal than the flu PROVIDED you don't shove it into vulnerable people.

In other words there is no reason to be scared of this thing at all!

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Yes, Karl. Past outbreaks - H1N1, swine flu, etc. - all were more devasating in the elderly population and in the obese and folks with preconditions. And it is not ethically correct to say it was the virus alone that killed these folks. What galls me is that this was known and still nothing is being done now. Also, even the flu casuses organ damage in some folks, but the rare occassions with COVID-19 are being blown way out of proportion, as if this never happened before with anything else. And you posted from a doc (West Virginia?) about his institution's use of cheap anti-inflammatories and immunosuppressants, which is exactly what is needed in folks with a fuliminant infection, as it isn't the virus killing them, it's their immune system pumping out too many cytokines, causing a sepsis like condition. Ditto clotting, which also does happen in equally rare circumstances with the flu. Insanity. If you are in good shape, not obese, and exercise, even if over 75, you are going to be OK. And yes, I know from ongoing personal experience that it is the carbs. What surpirsed me was the effect of giving up two glasses of wine a night. And there is NOTHING like the runner's high, and I use an elleiptical and recumbent cycle. Keeps the muscles functional but not the same thing by a long shot. Right on, Karl. Keep up the good fight!
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thanks KD. Yep wuflu is a complete hoax like climate change, like systemic racism, and like TSA security protocols.. I dont comply.. no mask or I wear the mask like a chin strap.. no temp checks.. **** em.. I went right in the building..

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I don't give a **** about an IR temperature check - that actually might do something and not just for Covid.

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KD...So what are you taking if I might ask? I have added zinc to my dailies. Is there something else that you can suggest?
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Yes....

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Well that was less helpful than normal. :P

From PDA - probably bar hopping again!

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Asking a fluffy question deserves a terse and accurate answer.
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