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2020-07-17 10:10 by Karl Denninger
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Finito On The Covid Nonsense*
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I'm tired of repeating myself.

The answers to Covid exist.

We know this because it's been figured out.

I pointed it out in March and I'm tired of tilting at windmills.

So here it is, one last time.

Wake the **** up, do whatever is necessary to stop it or stew in it and watch your elderly and ill loved ones die along with the economic destruction you are causing through your own bootlicking because I'm done with baying at the moon while every ******ned jackwad in the media and elsewhere is making bank off claims that the world is coming to an end.

Singapore had a horrid problem with PPE in their hospitals like everyone else when Covid hit and their health care workers were getting Covid just like everywhere else.  Rather than screaming at people they took what they learned from SARS and instituted militant hand-washing before and after every contact with a person or thing.

They found when they did this that other than being directly exposed to someone coughing or when performing a high-aerosol procedure like intubation their staff didn't need N95s and other high-grade PPE yet their transmission rate to and between their staff went to a statistical zero.

Again: Singapore achieved statistical ZERO health care transmission almost-immediately.

Note what they did though.

Touch something, wash your hands with soap and water.

Touch a person, same deal.

Both before and after any such intentional contact, and immediately after any unintentional contact.  If there's inadvertent contact you stop what you're doing and wash your ****ing hands.

None of this bull**** "hand sanitizer" nonsense; soap and water.

I reported on this in March as at the time it was screamingly obvious that health care was the vector for this bug and it wasn't in the air; it was coming out your ass I've written several articles on this exact point.  MIT has even tested and proved they can find the virus in municipal sewer flows!  Indeed now we have universities stating they will use such surveillance to detect Covid on campus in the fall. 

Yet nobody has gone anywhere near that fact in the press nor in the so-called "expert" community.

Why not?

Because if you do then the entire house of cards they have built collapses and so do the lockdowns, mask orders and claim that "we're all in this together", "only a vaccine will save us" and "we all have to do our part."  Every bit of that is a bald-faced intentional lie.

In one of these early articles I pointed to a small cluster of cases in hospital workers in Minnesota.  At the time there were very few civilian (not health care) cases; fewer than 400 in the entire state. I said that they'd get hammered if this pattern held; at the time something like a quarter of all cases in Minnesota were among health care workers - 133 out of 503.  Contemplate the insanity of that for a minute; the very people trained to use PPE and avoid infection, allegedly following said rules and wearing masks, were getting infected like crazy.

Not long after that the state case and fatality rate blew up in their face.

Minnesota now has over 47,000 cases and a fatality rate of 3.59%.

That's roughly where the nation is in terms of fatality rate overall, although if you look at the most recent data the CFR-10 (fatality rate of cases diagnosed 10 days earlier) is down to right around 1%.

Note that every one of those health-care workers had masks on when anywhere near someone who might be contagious.  It did nothing and they got hammered anyway.  These are trained professionals.  If it didn't work for them it's factually going to be useless for you, which incidentally is exactly what 14 Random Controlled Trials say about masks and viruses -- they don't work.  That's not surprising; physics says they shouldn't work as the median respiratory droplet size is sub-micron, a single such particle can contain enough virons to infect you, particles of that size are inhaled deep into the lungs and particles of that size go right through anything less than an N95 in both directions with very few to nearly none of them being trapped.  You're trying to stop mosquitoes with a chain-link fence!

Now contrast this with Singapore.

Singapore has a population density approximately equal to NYC on a national basis.  It's a tiny little country with a ****-ton of people in it on a per-square-mile basis.  Yet by cutting off health care transmission their case fatality rate went to under 0.06% and has stayed there.

That's right -- less than the seasonal flu.

Yes, they locked down hard for two months.  That turned out to be stupid.  They feared another SARS outbreak, and not without reason.  SARS killed 15% of those who got it in Singapore, and they slammed the door on Covid-19 just as hard because they feared a repeat.

Instead they got.... the flu.  Literally the seasonal flu.

There are still people getting Covid19 in Singapore.  A few hundred a day.  Despite their outrageously-stringent measures, which we could never implement in the Untied States without an immediate societal and economic collapse, they failed to stop the virus but did slow it down.  However nobody, statistically-speaking, is dying of it.  Whoever gets it gets whatever they're doing today to treat it and that's the end of it.  They get it, they get treated for it, they recover, their hospital system did not blow up and life goes on.

Who gives a crap how many people get Covid-19 if it doesn't kill anyone?

I remind you that SARS was actually a deadly virus.  When Singapore had that one go through their nation it infected just 238 people but killed 33 of them.  Now that's a deadly virus; roughly 15% of the people who got that bug died.  Every other nation's experience with SARS was similar; it had a roughly 15% fatality rate generally and 50% in those over 65.

Now they've had Covid19 go through their nation and when it started they thought it might be the same sort of virus (big shock, given their previous experience with a SARS!) and found that..... if you don't transmit it through and in the health care system nobody dies.

But further, despite their draconian lockdown measures which are utterly impossible in any Western nation Covid has infected two hundred times as many people as SARS did.

Out of over 46,000 confirmed cases they've had a grand total of 27 deaths.

Approximately 0.06%.

Big ****ing deal; the ordinary seasonal flu is more-deadly.

Their lockdown was dumb; it utterly failed to stop the spread in that two hundred times as many people got infected (and are still being infected) but given that Singapore got hammered by SARS and feared a repeat I can understand why they did it; they didn't know.

Now they do.

Go document what Singapore does in their health care system to treat this disease and stop cramming the virus into vulnerable people by health care workers.  People will stop dying immediately.  Viruses are not racist and do not give a crap about your political bent.

Period.

This is a small island nation that immediately upon detection achieved zero health care vectoring of this bug.  In contrast in the United States we vectored disease into nursing homes and other vulnerable people, including "home health care" and by doing so we killed over one hundred thousand people who should not have died.  Nursing homes alone account for roughly half of our Covid-19 losses thus far.  I'm willing to bet that a dispassionate analysis will find that 90% or more of the deaths are ultimately traceable to a nosocomial (that is, health care) transmission. The crazy prevalence of nurses and others getting infected in the hospitals is even more outrageous because, as was documented in NYC, most of the actual infections there occurred in households.

How do you think it got in those households?

From the health care workers who failed to contain it inside the hospitals.

This is homicide and likely accounts for, on a statistical basis, all of the deaths.

This very pattern is continuing today folks.  There is no possible natural explanation for a sixty-five fold difference in death rates.  A 6,500% difference in death rate for the same virus between modern, economically-advanced nations is not due to natural causes; that's impossible.

That ridiculously-elevated death rate keeps happening because we refuse to cut off the vector into those people who the virus can actually kill and we continue to treat the people with the disease inappropriately -- killing them instead of helping them.  The scream-fest about ventilators is just part of it; we knew in February that ventilators were an inappropriate treatment and killed people instead of helping them and yet we bought and provided them by the tens of thousands anyway.  The federal government knows the health care system has been and is killing people and has known it since February 4th, which is why it extended liability protection to all health care providers and suppliers and has not rescinded said protection.  The Federal Government is not alone; most if not all State Governors have done so as well, including so-called "Red State" governors such as Lee of Tennessee.

The vector that kills is not the common person on the street, in the store or in a bar.  It just isn't; that's what the data tells us.

It might have been reasonable on February 4th to extend said liability protection for 30 days to allow the health care system to adjust procedure and shut off this vector.  To extend said protections beyond the beginning of March is proof positive that neither State or Federal officials give a damn about your grandmother; in fact, they are intentionally fomenting death to the tune of sixty-five times what a civilized nation can achieve -- if it displays one whit of concern for human life.

As further proof of the malfeasance and where the predominant vector for spread lies in an ICU in Iran they tried to capture Covid-19 in the air 2m away from severely ill patients.  They failed to find virus.  If it's not in the airborne environment in an ICU where severely sick people are with the virus then explain to me why I should believe that an asymptomatic person is going to kill me in the grocery store with their breath?

In short statistically-speaking if you can't manage to isolate the virus in air around severely-ill people who have it the worst of all then the only rational conclusion is that's not the primary or even a material route of transmission.  To continue to focus there is not only stupid it's flat out criminal homicide.  Never mind the other fairly-recent study where they attempted to find virus in non-coughing patients for influenza, coronavirus and rhinovirus -- and for a huge percentage of those persons they failed. That study was performed under laboratory conditions where they captured all of one's expired breath over a period of 30 minutes.  If you were going to spew out virus from your mouth or nose 30 minutes is certainly long enough for 100% of the people with laboratory confirmed infections and fevers to do so.

Is a "mask order" of value if they can't reliably find virus in the breath of confirmed, symptomatic febrile patients under laboratory conditions?  Obviously not; you can't filter what isn't there.  Should compromised people wear one if they're at particular risk?  That's up to you; the value is likely near-zero but someone might cough in your vicinity.  If you wish to wear a mask (or better, a canister respirator) against that possibility, have at it.

Blanket mask orders are utterly worthless or worse in that that may actually increase the risk of cross-contamination of feces into your mouth and nose; that's the science.

At the same time there are other studies that found virus all over the bathrooms of patient rooms in Covid wards.  Gee, it's not coming out your ass?  Like hell it isn't.  The so-called "choir practice singer" deal?  They shared food after the practice. The group of friends who got it immediately after going to a crowded bar in Jacksonville FL?  Isn't it interesting that only that group of friends was infected and not all the other people in the bar?  I suppose you expect me to believe that they all had an "atmospheric cone of isolation" around them -- and only them.  What's more-likely -- that this "cone" existed to make sure that all of these people got infected or is it more-likely that they all passed around something that was contaminated -- like, for instance, one of their cellphones?

Are there what appear to be confirmed aerosol super-spread events?  Yes, including one very well run-down incident in Germany.  Oh, the bad news? That happened in a meat plant and there was a compulsory mask order as the nation had issued one for workplaces well before the event.  It didn't help -- at all.  But the evidence is that these are actively sick individuals; there is no even reasonably-competent evidence that an asymptomatic infection results in a person who actually spreads the virus.  This is likely due to pre-existing resistance in the asymptomatic person which in turn prevents accumulation of a viral load sufficient to initiate transmission.  Asymptomatic cases are a social good, not a social bad; they remove you from the pool of people who can transmit the bug for some period of time which helps suppress transmission in the community.  In short you want those infections to happen.

Does Covid-19 occasionally kill a random person?  Sure.  All diseases do, even the flu.  But if you give it to severely compromised persons such as is trivially done in both hospitals and nursing homes you're going to kill 50 times as many, and we in the US, the UK, Italy and everyone else have done exactly that on a repeated basis.

We're still doing it today.

So why has the death rate fallen so drastically -- down by ninety percent since April?

We murdered most of the people who are easy to kill and you can only kill a given person once.  That's why the rate of death is falling in America -- and everywhere else.  What we haven't done -- still, today, six months into this, is cut off the health care vector for this disease.

That failure, six months in, can only be characterized as intentional ladies and gentleman, especially when backed up with liability protection from the government which has been maintained and extended at both State and Federal levels.

Never mind that I've said since Diamond Princess that the base susceptibility is not 100%.  Not even close.  It couldn't be; the rate of infection on that ship (~17%), given an R0 of about 3, strongly suggested that roughly 50% of the population was already immune in whole or part (in other words you can get it but not seriously enough to pass it on or get ill yourself) due to some sort of cross-reactive immunity.  Now it's reported that a peer-reviewed paper in Nature in fact found cross-immunity in 50% of those studied!  These were people who never had Covid19 yet their body's T-cells knew what it was.

This in turn means that when you get to about 15%, more or less, of those in the general population who get Covid-19 it's over from a statistical standpoint.  This matches not only NYC's experience but that of every other region across the world.  It should, and likely will based on the science, play out exactly the same way everywhere else.

NY has had 400,000 "cases." The CDC says there are 10 for every one you catch with a test, so 4 million.  The state has a population of about 20 million people; one in five has had the bug.  With innate immunity of 50% this means they're beyond the herd suppression threshold and indeed, guess what?  850 cases state-wide, which out of 400,000 is a growth rate of 0.21%.  Scared?  If you are, you're nuts; in fact New York reached the suppression rate of prevalence in April.  So did New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts (big shock given how close they are and travel between them.)

Ohio has a way to go; thus their "double spike".  Florida is on the verge of if not entering suppression right now, assuming their fraudulent test reporting is only on negatives that were discarded and doesn't extend to tens of thousands of alleged "infections" that never existed.  California has a way to go yet.  Arizona is right on that level right here, right now.   Their rate will not fall because of "mitigations", it will fall because the virus fails to find more than one new person to infect who will develop disease and thus be able to pass it on for each one that currently is infected.

Where does Arizona stand right now? Their presumptive rate is 19% and guess what -- they're seeing the same pattern.  They just got there, and when they did the same thing happened that happened in New York.  How many times do you need to see the same thing before you take your REEEEEing nonsense and shove it up your own ass?  How many times does it have to happen before you shove your governor's or mayor's mask order up his or her ass?

 

That's what herd suppression is.  It's what it looks like -- every time.

Think it won't happen in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and everywhere else?

Look at New Jersey (~19.87%.)  Same thing.  New York at 20.81%?  Same thing.  Do you think Cuomo achieved this with his lockdowns and screaming?  All Cuomo did was kill an outrageously high percentage of those who got the virus because he intentionally transmitted it to vulnerable people on a preferential basis.  That ******* ought to be in prison right here, right now and Witless, Wolf and several others ought to be there with him.  We knew damn well after Kirkland that this would happen if the health care vector was not cut off.

Which is more likely: Arizona's "new orders" are responsible given the wide disparity with what New York and New Jersey did or despite the wildly different approaches and the same result occurring at the near-exact same point in community infection it's simply a function of herd suppression?

May I note that the most-restrictive states got there first?  Maybe this is due to them being where the virus came first and has no tie to their "aggressive" lockdown efforts.  Or maybe the health care workers forcing it into vulnerable people and being a larger percentage of the whole on mass transit and similar spiked the transmission rate and made it worse!  Which it is cannot be proved but that "lockdowns" of any severity fail to stop transmission is a documented fact.  We had 50 state laboratories with different standards and..... not one bit of evidence that correlated the rate at which suppression is achieved nor its durability with the policy decisions made.  Instead the evidence is that if you do not reach approximately 2% prevalence of "positive test results" you're not done, and when you do reach that prevalence, you are.  This, of course, assumes that the test results are real; if you report positives that aren't (e.g. "positives" when the person was never even tested!) then good luck trying to figure out where you are.

There's nothing you can do about this and every one of the screamers claiming that susceptibility was ever 100% were and are wrong.  This was never conjecture; it was hard, irrefutable scientific evidence in March when Diamond Princess happened.  Now it's backed up with actual scientific proof in that the expected immunity was found in approximately the same percentage that Diamond Princess showed had to be there in order to explain the experimental results in that closed system; an essentially ideal transmission environment for a virus which nobody would ever let you construct on purpose for ethical reasons.  In addition Diamond Princess was not a one-off; there were multiple cruise ships after that which got into similar trouble with the virus and had similar results.  Note that all SEIR models (IHME, etc) presume random distribution of contacts that could spread disease where it is pure random chance on the presence of a causal chain between a person with it and who is susceptible to it.  This is flat-out garbage in a confined, closed environment.

Any governor or mayor claiming otherwise is not mistaken, nor are "public health experts" who make said claims.  They're liars, frauds, and all of them deserve to be run out of town on a rail with nothing more than their underwear remaining to their name.  These *******s have been and are literally destroying the United States economy and lives, including those of children by keeping schools closed when the facts are the claimed "doomsday" scenario was never on the table because innate immunity was both present and known to be present when this virus first showed up.  Moreover within a month we knew how to control infections so people didn't die.  We knew how because one nation did exactly that and got immediate results.

Most of the people who have died in the United States did not die of a virus acquired by random chance; they were killed by inappropriate, and outrageously-so, actions taken by the health care system and public officials who in fact gave legal immunity for these homicides to the perpetrators who crammed the virus into vulnerable segments of the population and then shoved a breathing tube down their throat despite knowing that this "treatment" was factually lethal.

There is no emergency and in fact there never was.  Not here, not anywhere, other than that which we intentionally are causing.  We know how to beat this because Singapore already has and so-proved in March; cut off the route of infection from and in the health care system to the most-vulnerable people and while many people will get the bug nobody, statistically speaking, will die from it.

The entire premise of "airborne spread" has even garnered explicit scientific fraud in so-called "peer reviewed" articles.  This "study" is one of the "favorites" being cited by #MaskHoles in support of mask mandates.  It was peer-reviewed in mid-June and contains this factual whopper that is a documented, known lie:

... the conditions during the outbreaks in Wuhan, Rome, and NYC correspond to high RH yet low absolute humidity because of low temperature (SI Appendix, Fig. S3). Early experimental work (9) showed remarkable survival for the analogous coronavirus MERS-CoV at the RH level characteristic of the COVID-19 outbreaks in Wuhan, Rome, and NYC. 

It is true that in NYC and Wuhan during the original outbreak there was low absolute humidity.  The authors cite this because it is crucial to their argument that the virus is primarily transmitted via the air.  We've known that every airborne transmitted virus follows that physical law since a seminal study about 10 years ago which gave us the exact reason there is a "flu season" every single year, without fail, in the winter.

But by June we had hard scientific proof that this virus was ignoring this physical fact because there were large-scale outbreaks in the middle of summer in Miami, Phoenix, Dallas and elsewhere.  What's worse is that Ecuador, which of course never has a winter as the Equator literally runs through the nation had an outbreak in March as well that hammered them to an unbelievable degree. Yet they, like everyone else, responded with "mask-mask-mask" which is flat-out stupid for a fecal-transmitted bug.  As a result just as in other nations the virus ran through their country and killed all the easy-to-kill victims.  Their death rate approached nine percent!

Then again so did ours in the first months when we were cramming sick people into nursing homes where there was a concentration of easy-to-kill individuals.

The entire argument for airborne transmission rests on a blown thesis that was factually known to be false at the time of peer review of a published alleged "scientific paper" and yet that paper was not rejected.  Worse, as of today it remains on the PNAS web page and has not been retracted either despite being falsified on its own foundational premise prior to publication!  It is in fact one of the claimed "scientific predicates" behind mask mandates.

People like to talk about "masks", "social distancing" and "shutdowns" but that's a bull**** conversation in the first instance on two known facts.  First, who gives a crap about whether you get a bug if the bug doesn't get you?  If you get a cold or a flu, or nothing at all who cares?  That's a social good, not a social bad; you contribute to those who, at least for a while, can't get it again.  Further the entire premise for primary airborne transmission and thus any claim of "science" behind mask orders, business closures and so-called "social distancing" rests on a blown thesis that was factually disproved in the first week of April.

This isn't "error" or "mistake" -- it's flat-out willful and intentional blindness that is killing people by the score.

We, and the rest of the world, have the answer literally under our nose.  Singapore is a first-world nation with a health care system that spends one fifth of what we do on a percent of GDP basis with a population density similar to New York City and it is wiping the floor with the entire Western World.

Further every single "model" and so-called "expert" has claimed like a damned broken record that everyone is susceptible and thus we're a "long way" away from herd suppression -- a goal that will never be achieved as, they now claim, antibodies wane.  We knew that claim was bull**** when Diamond Princess happened, a virtually perfect and sealed environment that produced only a 17% infection rate; a fact that is flatly impossible given a virus with an R0 of 3.0 and a 100% susceptible population.  The only reasonable explanation was that a huge percentage of the population on that boat, roughly 50%, were already immune either in whole or part.  Now we know scientifically that this is the case.

And oh, by the way, if antibodies wane (and it appears they do) then a vaccine will be worthless too, yet there are myriad so-called "experts" who continue to be "hopeful" about one working.  How'd that work out for HIV/AIDS and those very same experts who have told us there would be a safe and effective vaccine against HIV for the last 20 years?

We also know that "super-spread" events for this bug occur and by definition they're a major contributor to the whole.  While many have been claimed to be from "asymptomatic" people that has repeatedly been proved to be false, with the poster child for it being the South Korean church where the index case woman was obviously very sick.  Interrupting even half of those events would greatly attenuate the spread of the virus and can be done at near-zero cost.  A strong suggestion or even mandate for IR temperature checks for both customers and employees in public accommodations where more than "X" (say 5, or 10) people can gather, or where public-facing employees contact more than "X" people a day would have such an effect.  The equipment to do so is cheap (under $50), it consumes only batteries and is durable equipment that has a service life measured in years, a check takes 1 second, it's objective, it creates no records and denying entry to someone who is febrile irrespective of cause is likely to not only materially reduce Covid19 spread it also will reduce the spread of influenza and other similar diseases.  Those at the lower part of the economic spectrum have the most incentive to go to work when ill for obvious economic reasons -- and also, perversely, have the most contact with customers (e.g. service industry workers.) It would not surprise me if that one intervention alone was sufficient to drop Rt below 1.0 and thus immediately reduce the transmission of both Covid19 and influenza to nuisance levels.

And finally, while I'm sure you can spread this virus through the air the science is that the primary route of transmission is not taking place via that vector.  It was factually established in March that Covid19 was not obeying the laws of physics common to all airborne viral transmission and yet papers were written, circulated and have been relied on as evidence for mask orders and "social distancing" which make the predicate claim for airborne transmission that the virus does indeed follow that physics-dictated pattern when we knew, factually that was false in March and that falsity has been repeatedly proved on an unbroken basis worldwide, including in America.

We've known all of this since March and I've been reporting on all of it since March; five+ months running on a literal daily basis.

It's no longer an accident or an undiscovered thing and hasn't been for months.

It's intentional both by the health care system and our government at all levels -- federal, state and local.

I'm done.

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@Tickerguy

It ALWAYS was ABOUT the destruction and transforming of the LAST NON-**** HOLE on EARTH!

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Sad thing about this whole virus **** is they now have established a precedent for how they handle (control people) with future viruses. H1N1 is bad in two years.....Lockdown/masks. Covid 20? Same result.

It perhaps also establishes a method for accomplishing other goals. Mass shootings........ call it a public health emergency and confiscate all guns. Too many auto accidents........ mandate self driving cars.

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The dread virus Covid is simply a cover for the oncoming economic collapse that began in the fall of 2019. It is being leveraged as a scapegoat to explain the destruction of the USD to the proles, to sow chaos and consolidate even more power.

The implementation of the mask protocol is to shape the behavior of the proles so they accept the next step - mandated vaccines, which will be another massive revenue source for big Pharma. Refuse? Sorry, you cannot enter a Federal Building, WalMart, or fly anywhere. And you'll likely be disemployed.

To get an animal to exhibit goal behavior you often have to break the goal training into smaller steps, and train it on each step in sequence to get to the desired behavior - and this is one of the points of the masks.

Next comes the Great Reset Forum of 2021...

"Geneva, Switzerland, 3 June 2020 The Great Reset will be the theme of a unique twin summit to be convened by the World Economic Forum in January 2021. The 51st World Economic Forum Annual Meeting will bring together global leaders from government, business and civil society, and stakeholders from around the world in a unique configuration that includes both in-person and virtual dialogues."

We only have one planet and we know that climate change could be the next global disaster with even more dramatic consequences for humankind. We have to decarbonize the economy in the short window still remaining and bring our thinking and behaviour once more into harmony with nature, said Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum."

Climate/Carbon taxes, enforced Social Justice, reparations, vaccine passports, global reset (that will leave all the current elites in power, natch) and the loss of the USD as reserve currency (with a consequent devaluation of 50-70%) are all on deck for 2021. Neofeudalism, it's what's for dinner.

BestEvidence on YT has some excellent material. Here, he has a Fed chairman actually say on TV that the bankers will in fact decide if you have a job, if you're allowed to go to work, or if you literally starve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk49Qf7o....

Need to realize the dread virus Corona is being mobilized for a few purposes - it is not stupidity or incompetence but actual organized malevolence. You really think this ****show is all just hapless incompetence? Far from it.

Call this 'conspiracy theory' if you will. It will happen.

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The majority of Americans are weak minded and can't get past the propaganda. They cannot grasp concepts and facts beyond the narrative.

They are **** and worthless. In fact, worse than worthless, they are a scourge upon the rest of us. This includes the majority of my "friends" and extended family.

This fraud is easy to see and well documented for anyone with the will to look and see it.

We are in deep ****.

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Drifter
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Moscow, ID just had it's outhouse tested: the testing company estimates 1,400 people have/had covid. We've had less than 50 reported cases, no deaths.

No idea what company did the testing, how much they charged and if it is even accurate, but it was on the front page a few days ago.

Yet the compulsory mask order persists. A maskie/maskhole at Dutch Brothers coffee got da covids. Instead of re-evaluating their theorem, people blame those that aren't wearing masks for it.

Madness.
Sharps
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@Raftermanfmj
"Need to realize the dread virus Corona is being mobilized for a few purposes - it is not stupidity or incompetence but actual organized malevolence. You really think this ****show is all just hapless incompetence? Far from it.

Call this 'conspiracy theory' if you will. It will happen."

My thoughts as well. Can't be all incompetence so what is the end game? In this regard color me stupid as I just don't have a clue.
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I'm done with baying at the moon while every ******ned jackwad in the media and elsewhere is making bank off claims that the world is coming to an end.

Just how many warnings did you give about the printing of money i.e. value?

How many predictions have you made about the destruction of our economy? How many of those predictions have you already been able to plant an "I told you so" flag on top of. How many more of those predictions are waiting in line for an "I told you so"?

How much of your personal time and resources have you given to getting this message out? How many congress, senate, governors, elected idiots have you personally engaged with?

How many of those people would you have been willing to On The Spot, Stone Cold unprepared, debate openly and publicly on any number of issues?

Corona virus aka covid is a "new" phenomenon that has mystical magical traits that make people long for their own destruction. Shut down the schools, shut down your business, look at everyone with suspicion, cover your face while alone in your car, spray lysol into a cloth that you will be breathing in, give up your RIGHTS. These are just a few of the insane things America is doing to protect itself from something the "experts" tell us "Everyone will get" and is currently being proven to be mostly a nothing burger. But the most painful thing to watch is how people are allowing the complete annihilation of our youth, so that we might....Might save a few older folks or those who have co-morbidity. Basically we have sold the future of our sons, daughters, nieces, nephews to extend the "use by date" of a handful of people.

Since early into this "Scare" you and many others here on Market-Ticker have been hitting one home run after another, literately knocking'um out of the park.

Yet the ball park is empty.

The crowds would rather live in fear of this than face the truth, they would rather prostitute the prospects of the younger generation for the future of those who already have one foot in the grave.... Insane.

You say: "I'm tired of tilting at windmills." Well you have earned the right to be tired.

And very sadly and much quicker than the general public will except, your warning of

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Wake the **** up, do whatever is necessary to stop it or stew in it and watch your elderly and ill loved ones die along with the economic destruction you are causing through your own bootlicking becaus


Will have one of these planted in it. smiley

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Radiosity
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@M1919a2 - Was going to mention The Great Reset, but Rafterman already did.

When they're outright TELLING us what they intend and people still refuse to listen? Yeah, I'm done as well. There's no curing stupid.
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Well stated.
Wife and I were talking about this last night and that as long as there is the "possibility" of one covid cell out there on the entire planet the mask bull**** will continue. Because well,. we dont want it to flare up again now do we.... All this corporate mask mandates are nothing more than the venue to fight off anyone that wont play along, whether it be j6p or a governor....
Just a warm up for the boxcars...papers please

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M1919

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It ALWAYS was ABOUT the destruction and transforming of the LAST NON-**** HOLE on EARTH!


Open boarders, off shoring of jobs, welfare state, participation trophies for all, dismalmantling of our Constitution. Homosexual priests openly preaching from the pulpit. Transgenders being revered.

The destruction of God's Law, leading us as a nation to blindly follow the parade of turds down the **** hole.

And it seems too many Americans...Or illegal invaders...Or Maxists... are willing to cheer this on smiley

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Writing in Karl Denninger for president, governor, mayor, congress, senate... And any other position that's on the ballot.

The rules and regulations surrounding running for office scared me off trying to fund raise for you for real, but I will do what I'm capable of.

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There really isn't much else to say on this topic. The facts are absolutely clear at this point and yet, everyone is running around playing politics and money grabbing for their own gain.

It is actually sickening how easily the masses are brainwashed.
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Rafterman
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Geneva, Switzerland, 3 June 2020 The Great Reset will be the theme of a unique twin summit to be convened by the World Economic Forum in January 2021.


Oman or just wild ass coincident?

https://www.businessinsider.com/largest-....

Check out the date.

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Radiosity
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@Sharps Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiKShOGb....

He's been knocking it out of the park recently with his videos and interviews. Check them out while he still has a channel.
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I have been sharing your info with family, friends, and everywhere I can have an impact (Twitter, etc.). Not surprisingly, people either argue with me (and by extension, your proof) OR they are simply not willing to discuss it at all. My aunt literally hung up on me this week because she didn't want to have a civilized conversation about the science of the virus and masks.

Why do they not even want to LOOK at the scientific proof? I just don't understand...

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@Steph4liberty - And you wonder why a whole lot of people think we're eventually going to just shoot each other in the face on sight?

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Interesting videos:

Its Just A Mask https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXUtsft0....

A Cashless Society https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcnZxpqH....

The Great Reset Plan Revealed: How COVID Ushers In The New World Order https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6pzXrEB....

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@Asimov - I would not write Karl in for President, I'll give you the same reason I give my wife when she says "If you have all the answers why don't you run for President".

My response - "Because I would be dead within a week".

Same thing would happen to Karl or anybody else with enough guts to actually fix the system and truly drain the swamp.

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Radiosity
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@Karl - we've had it too easy for too long. People have forgotten what a struggle life actually is when you remove all the conveniences of modern living. Complacency, normalising the deviant, allowing ****ing Marxists to run our countries into the ground, people apparently forgetting (or never learning) that ANY action carries risk and that viruses are a normal part of life. It can't continue.

And these people are going to get a REALLY nasty wake-up call. I struggle to have ANY sympathy for them, however, I'm just beyond caring now. Just wish the rest of us didn't have to get taken along for the ride as usual, but that seems to be the way it works.

I wonder how many of us, if we survive, will be willing to help pick up the pieces for them, assuming we don't just wipe ourselves off the face of the planet? My bet would be 'not many'.

More to the point, I wonder which way it'll go. Full collapse as the elites realise they don't have as much control as they believed? Nuclear war (most likely triggered by Winnie the Pooh, who I can't imagine is on-board with the globalists' plans)? Or will they get their tech dystopia and force the remaining people to live in horrible smart cities, monitored and controlled at every turn?

The way it's going right now, I'd say we already have more than just our foot in the door on option 3.

Anyone reading this will probably note the conspicuous absence of a fourth option: we win and manage to avoid the inevitable carnage by educating people and turning everyone against the elites. But since that's a plot I wouldn't even write for a book because it's too unrealistic... yeah, that one's not even on the table.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical....

Ali Boehm is my wife's classmate from HS, believe it or not. Her team has been studying this since Feb. She unequivocally said from Day 1 (like KD) that the virus is clearly transmitted via human waste. the CDC was given the early data and has been frequently updated with new data that simply backs the early findings.

As KD has pointed out, the CDC, NIH and WHO are all complicit in the murder of many. In the face of the data, ALL are either ignorant, prideful or diabolically purposeful with not focusing on the waste vector. I think it's obvious that it's the latter.
Smitty
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@Steph4liberty

On the local forum I posted this:

What if the physical facts are that virus particles are so small that masks are rendered a worse than useless exercise?

What if there have been multiple Randomized Controlled Trials (RCT) since the 1918 flu demonstrating the failure of masks yet not a single RCT can be found indicating success with masks preventing a virus, including COVID-19?

What if some of the premier experts told us earlier this year that masks were useless against a virus, only to recently reverse themselves?

What if our ancestors expected that a situation such as appeared this year would be dealt with by republican state governments holding legislative hearings with all the available facts then crafting and passing laws for the executive to follow, rather than with diktats issued from on high in similar fashion as those heaped on this land by King George III?

What if our ancestors would have tarred and feathered political critters that would assume we can't-as adults-decide matters for ourselves through legislative representation, instead of meekly accepting being treated-and ordered about-as children?

What if our governor was wrong when he declared that "the jury is in" regarding face masks when that "jury" was not given all available facts and study results?

What if the governor actually used an apt metaphor (jury) for an apparently corrupt process of determination, since recent events confirm widespread judicial corruption across the land?

What if Governor DeWine decides to once again order an economic lockdown, despite all the evidence that countries without lockdowns have similar results as those under government ordered restrictions, especially since many more businesses may be forced to shut down forever?

What if the true beneficiaries of governmental lockdowns are the huge corporations that feast on the remains of small family businesses ruined by government lockdowns, such as Amazon, Wal-Mart, Kroger's, and the like?


And here is the sole response, so far:

What if we all act like adults and just wear the damn mask?


And my reply (my patience is wearing mighty thin...):

If you define adult behavior as meaning blind thoughtless obedient submission to government edicts issued by lying, flawed, and corrupt government experts that have been repeatedly wrong, well, be free to carry on...

On the other hand, if there was a thought process behind your decision to submit to mask wearing, please share the basis of your conclusion.

In light of the lack of Randomized Controlled Trials since the 1918 flu indicating any anti-virus benefit from wearing a mask, I look forward to looking at the factual basis underlying your decision.




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Smitty
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@Chromehill


Yeah, I call it the JFK treatment...

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@Smitty...nicely done. I like it and may steal it, if you don't mind.

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Morning Steph

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My aunt literally hung up on me this week because she didn't want to have a civilized conversation about the science of the virus and masks


My brother and I have never had the best relationship. But recently he has been posting provably false information about this insanity, and I am compelled to refute that. He is completely unwilling to listen to anything except Masks Save Lives. Ok, show me the data. He can't.

Recently he told me my nephew (20yrs old, I believe) tested positive for the corona. I asked him specifically, "What does that mean?" "Will he be ok?" Nothing no answer, not a word. It appears he would rather me be concerned for my nephew and not question anything, then to find out what I actually should pretend to be concerned about.

Anyway, sorry to hear your aunt is being so closed minded.

Sadly we are only just getting started and as the economy continues to fall apart the narrative of us vs them will continue to be pushed and what is the easiest way to distinguish who is an us or a them? Skin color.

We have seen this start in earnest with the riots.

5-6 weeks of corona, it starts to wane.
5-6 weeks of riots, it starts to wane.
5-6 weeks renewed and over the top corona, it has a couple more weeks before it gets put on simmer.
Starting soon (Week or two) the heat will be turned up on the riots and race hatred.

All the while the economy is slipping into coma.

What is breaking down in the supply chain?

Who will be to blame for that breakdown? Everyone not willing to sell their souls for the corona and next everyone who is white.

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And you wonder why a whole lot of people think we're eventually going to just shoot each other in the face on sight?


Hmmmmmm......I truly hope not, but it has already started to happen.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/f....

Wearing a mask is something we can control, our skin color...Not So Much.


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