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2020-05-13 06:00 by Karl Denninger
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Pritzker, fat bastard, has pledged that there will no "return to normal" in Illinois until there is a vaccine or highly effective, sanctioned treatment.

Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker defended Sunday his cautious economic reopening plan, which leaves schools and many businesses shuttered until the novel coronavirus is all but defeated, saying the state will be unable to return to normal “until we’re able to eradicate it.”

Well, that's up to the residents of the state; they can either tolerate being destroyed while their taxes skyrocket in an attempt to prevent essential services from collapsing, they can all leave the state and let him preside over a smoking hole or they can drag that fat ******* out of his office by his short hairs and replace him.

The original justification, as I noted, was that we needed to "bend the curve."  Now it's eradicate the virus, which is not going to happen.  There will likely never be a vaccine for this virus that works; that's the history on coronaviruses, so Pritzker's pronouncement is an effective and permanent death sentence for business in the state.

Then there's Cuomo, who's state has been responsible for an insane percentage of the total deaths and who deliberately forced Covid-19 positive people into nursing homes full of extremely vulnerable persons knowing that the infection control capacity in those places were poor to non-existent simply due to the mechanics of how they work.  Specifically, negative-pressure individual rooms are unreasonable to expect to be provided both due to cost and the requirements for caregivers to maintain the sterility of said environment, a huge percentage of the people in those places are incontinent and the CDC, along with others, refuse to deal with the fact that this virus is easily spread through feces despite multiple scientific reports of virus being found in the feces of coronavirus patients.

Cuomo has now reversed this order but nobody has been held to account for the thousands of people he killed with this policy -- in fact he hasn't even apologized.

As I've pointed out since February and into March the only reasonable approach to this virus was and remains a "Sanitarium" model to isolate those who are actually ill and prevent the spread of the virus by caregivers in such facilities, both within them and to the community at-large.  That, along with leaving the rest of the economy and people alone, would have saved tens of thousands of lives by now -- at least half of those who have died.  For most of those in nursing homes, however, it wouldn't have saved them for long since the average life expectancy in a nursing home is six months but the fact remains that there never was and still isn't a legitimate justification for any sort of "lockdown."

Speaking of which even in "reasonably sane" parts of the nation capacity limits and similar insanity continues to be mandated and enforced.  This is quite-clearly a scam aimed at those who took "PPA" loans or whatever you care to call them whether the states were explicitly in on the scam or not -- exactly zero of the restaurants, bars and entertainment venues can hope to make any profit at all with these constraints in place and there is no promise to lift said constraints on any sort of timetable.

In the meantime the government employees are still drawing their pay -- including Congress, the NIH, CDC and state agencies whether they're actually working or not.  The rest of the nation, on the other hand, is just expected to suck it up and deal with it.

Uh, no.

There is always a cost associated with a benefit.  Anyone who has actually run a company knows this.  I made decisions every single day at MCSNet that came with both benefits and costs; some costs were known, others were risks -- that is, they might materialize or not.  Every person I hired had an expected benefit and both expected and risk-based costs.  The decision to spend 50 large on a trade show came with known costs and the risk that the revenue I expected might not show up; our marketing effort might be ineffective.  Many times I made decisions that had potential company-ending risks, which would not only bankrupt me personally but put a few dozen people out of work and seriously harm them economically as well.

If states wish to continue this crap then let them die.  No tax assistance, and those of us who pay taxes should make clear that one penny of additional levy of any sort will be responded to with a guillotine for every single member of whatever government body attempts to impose same WITH NO EXCEPTIONS.

In addition, screw baseball.  Am I going to watch games if there are no fans?  Nope.  I bet a lot of other people won't either.  What's the financial impact of that when the stadium has nobody in it?  Never mind the tickets, how about hot dog and beer sales that won't take place?  What's a stadium worth if you have no evidence that fans will ever be allowed to return?  Zero.

Life is not without risk.  For an example of this go look at polio, of which the nation underwent multiple rounds of infection, death and permanent maiming, and yet they never came around and forcibly locked down businesses while quarantining or "locking down" non-ill persons.

Yes, Covid-19 poses risks.  But the risks are just that: Risks.  They're not certainties, even for the very old with serious co-morbidities.  As I've related multiple times a very close associate of mine had his grandfather (in his 90s) killed by this bug.  His grandmother, who tested positive, did not get sick yet she's just as old with just as serious a set of comorbidity factors, as is true for nearly everyone her age.

We murdered people in this country by forcing nursing homes to take covid-19 positive or untested and presumed-positive persons, deliberately seeding the infection into highly-vulnerable populations.  The governors who did this must stand trial for manslaughter; it is responsible for close to half of all Covid-19 deaths in the United States.  Refusing to immediately set up sanitarium-style hospitals for Covid patients instead of locking down the economy, along with screaming for, acquiring and rapidly using ventilators in what we now know was a rank violation of the basic protocol in medicine to first do no harm is likely responsible for another 25% of all who have died.  Between these two factors, had the costs been forced to be taken personally by the governors involved both criminally and civilly not only would there have been no lockdowns most of those who have died of this disease would not have and, in addition the economic impact would have been a fraction of what we have suffered.

These people in the governor's mansions and local petty fiefdoms at the county and city level are directly responsible for both the economic and cost in lives incurred and justice demands that we, the people force them to eat those costs personally.

It is time to cut the crap and for those states and locals that refuse let them die fiscally -- and, if they insist that those who have no job fund this insanity anyway then perhaps it's time to talk about a full withdrawal of consent ala 1776.

Enough.

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Life is not without risk. For an example of this go look at polio, of which the nation underwent multiple rounds of infection, death and permanent maiming, and yet they never came around the forcibly locked down businesses and quarantined non-ill persons.

Excellent to bring up polio. Would like to add that it was much easier to spread, was even more dangerous with lasting symptoms from infection and did have the ability to infect adults with serious consequences. It was also a fecal spread much like the COVID-19 pathogen. We did employ reasonable measures such as closing public swimming pools for obvious reasons, but schools stayed open. A lot of the public hygiene PSAs started around the time relating to sanitation such as bathroom and hand washing which stayed with us until the 70s.

Was having a conversation with a friend the other day. He overall understands what we discuss here, but the pull of the hysteria still grabs. He was using as a justification for the continuing bull**** the supposed cases of healthy people becoming sick and dying. One example that he personally knew was a healthy woman in early middle age with nothing wrong with her. The lines were as usual, she did whatever she wanted to, no health issues, not sick, went wherever she wanted, etc. So she just came down with this thing and almost died. I asked a question.

"Was her waist smaller than her hips?" crickets. Repeated question, funny thing was, got an answer without it being said. Further went on that for both sexes in the absence of obvious or known medical preexisting conditions, waist bigger than hips was evidence of pre-diabetic condition if not actual but not yet diagnosed. Found out later from him that she was a little overweight.

For men the waist to hips ratio can be a little higher, but never above 1. Women obviously have larger hips, and the closer they get to a man's ideal waist to hips ratio, the greater their medical issues from all causes.

What i saw from my friend without having to recount the entire conversation is that people cannot emotionally deal with the fact that their obesity and thus their actions are totally responsible for the increased risk. One of the factors is that outside of this virus, many can go about life as in this example well into late middle age without intervention. People do not like having limits and discipline imposed upon them if it was not socialized in early life. Here is the kicker. Others, like my friend who is very healthy for a very late middle age man, psychologically feel that they cannot criticize in terms of discipline because it applies discipline to themselves. They see their lacking characteristic in others and criticizing others means doing so of themselves.

We are all familiar with fat-acceptance, don't judge this and that and every other prohibition to not hurt anyone's feeling over the last few decades, hot and heavy with generation snowflake. The politicians are in the same conundrum as my friend with the added problem of a system that supports people's bad decisions right until we run out of money.

Karl once posted a video here where the diabetes epidemic was discussed in terms of our country running out of money for Medicare right around the date he predicted, 2024.

Lots of people from white to black, white to blue collar who are disciplined people have been saying that the people getting sick and often dying were overweight. The problem is that they cannot say it collectively. People know.

It is hard for those of us who respect our bodies and like looking and being healthy to grok why someone would want to be overweight to any degree. It is hard to understand mental illness, especially large group self-reinforcing types. We are not just fighting bad medical advice over the years and obesity, but a metal condition that can exist right alongside otherwise functional life. Perhaps accepting other abnormalities as normal for political reasons started this downward trend.

We do not have a COVID-19 epidemic. We have a silent diabetes epidemic, and this corona virus crisis is a symptom.

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The Democrats 2020 strategy is to destroy their state economies, aid the destruction of the national economy, foment fear and paranoia on a level likely to encite riots and violence, win the presidency and Congress and then mint trillion dollars coins to bail themselves out.

What could possibly go wrong with that?

It is stunning and a bit concerning to see how readily Democrats are prepared to destroy their own institutions to cause pain to others. No regular college in the fall? Do these geniuses realize what that will do to college finances? And if universities don't have football seasons, with fans, there won't be funding for any University sports. All those Title IX athletes are going to get the shaft.

Thousands of overpaid, left-wing, college administrators are willing to sink their ship and their careers for what purpose? They are insane but no one is there to stop them. They have all drunk the kool-aid.
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Speaking of MLB, I am curious if you had seen the MLB COVID study. This is the only study I have seen that found a LOWER than expected instance of the virus. It was a large study, too, 5000+ people.
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I would think multiple charges of attempted murder or felonious assault would be likely to result in conviction. And it is long overdue to withdraw consent.
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Why does this current episode of "The state of (insert name of blue hive here) cannot re-open until Donald Trump gives us $3 trillion to spend as we see fit!" remind me of the scene from Blazing Saddles where Sheriff Bart first addresses the people of Rock Ridge?

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As for Pritzker he is being met with overwhelming opposition downstate. He couldn't win a Democratic primary south of I 80 if he was running against Jim Edgar.

Currently downstate would vote against him 95-5 if Darren Bailey is the opponent. With an extraordinary turnout. He would not feel.safe to campaign south of I 80.


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It's quite clear that this "reopening" is now politically influenced by whether you want a Republican or Democrat to win the upcoming election. Particularly on the Democratic side of things there is no concern or respect for the Bill of Rights. Extends to the Republicans as well.

At least in Northern Ohio folks seem to be returning to their normal patterns. Yes there are some that are wearing masks but others are not and have not heard of to many screaming Karen issues.
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As for baseball - I love the sport. But I don't think enough fans will go that they cant.social distance at the park. He smart and cap.attendance at 10k the first month and 25k the rest of the season. Use some common sense and mollycoddle the pajama boys at first, then open things up.

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One also has to wonder if Cuomo deliberately infected all of those NY nursing homes to purposely drive up the death rates for political purposes. What's a few thousand expedited deaths of folks who were going to die anyways if it helps make Trump look bad?
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It was inevitable that the re-openings would be politicized. We're now inside of 6 months until the election. It is too tempting for Democrat governors to strangle their own economies in order to take out Orange Man.

Speaking of that, somehow Satan must have made quite a deal with Soros that the old bastard is still kicking. He has plenty of money to short the market with should he seek to influence the election and get porridge-brains into office.

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Today our MN Gov Walz will be extending his emergency powers another 30 days. The SAH order that is supposed to expire on Monday will be probably be extended, I am guessing to July 6 like the states MN formed a 'pact' with.
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-new....

MN Dems tried to push through a pay raise for all state employees. I asked my rep how many state employees have been laid off because of COVID - still waiting on that response. The governor's models finally got released, and the current SAH order actually causes more deaths that simply focusing on sheltering those most at risk. But he continues to stick with it.

I agree with you on baseball and other sports. I think there will be a viewership blitz to start, but at this point I don't really care, and a lot of others will find it stale as well.

My son will be starting his SR year of college this fall. Many schools are already announcing fall will be distance learning. He is pissed. And I do not blame him. I have a feeling if traditional schools try to go online only many students will look to move to lower cost options to finish their degrees. What difference does it make in most cases?

On March 11 I was sent home from work and have been WFH since. Right now I don't see myself going back to the office until at least September based on company direction. Other than a couple of token trips to the office I most likely will be WFH to the end of the year. I am starting to add up how much that will cost the economy. I would normally stop for coffee every day, gas once a week, 3 lunches out, 1 breakfast. My oldest was going to need replace the 2004 Durango, but if he is not on campus there is no need. I was going to get my wife a new car and start driving hers, but that won't happen this year.

The economy is going to be ass hammered for a long time. We will never 'get back to normal'. Businesses are going to die, and there will not be others stepping into their place, not as long as they continue lock downs, or keep talking about shutting it all down if we get a fall spike.



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There will likely never be a vaccine for this virus that works; that's the history on coronaviruses, so Pritzker's pronouncement is an effective and permanent death sentence for business in the state.


Why yes, entirely correct.

The death sentence for business in the state (or country xyz)is the danger directly in front of us.

The danger we're being somewhat distracted from is the constant nagging and fear mongering by TPTB in order to establish a link between a miracle vaccine and freedom of movement even in your own country. Without a vaccine stay inside!
We should be able to decide for ourselves.

And no I'm not an anti vaxxer and my kids all received the usual stuff.But those are more or less proven working vaccines. Guinea pig anybody?

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I was a season ticket holder for the Houston Rockets. My daughter really likes to go to the games so that is one of our times together. March 24th was the first opportunity to sign up for the next season and they would've given me a pair of Harden tennis shoes for doing it. Around a $115 perk. Not that I would've ever bought those shoes at that price. I decided to wait and see what happens and from the looks of it there will be no fans in the stands if they start this season again and there may not be any fans in the stands next season.

No reason for me to sign up at all if there are no tickets. How is that for a business model? The star players are going to have to take a cut in pay and the ticket prices are going to have to come down for me to go back.

Some reality is about to hit a lot of people up against the head real soon. Seems like the NBA, NFL and MLB are all going to have to become some smaller version of themselves. People will definately not be spending as much money on that form of entertainment here in the near future if at all.

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Anyone else notice the similarities between the Covid-19 scare and the movie, V for Vendetta?

Not so much as to how the virus was first released but the aspects of totalitarian control and the ability to prey upon people and enhance their fears so that that most would willing conform to the 'benevolent' authorities.

For those that fought back in the movie we have the pig men and the 'badged thugs' of the ministry willing to carry out any order. They of course had their own single voice within the media booming out their propaganda and any voice dissenting or mockery creating about their actions at control were silenced through immediate imprisonment or death.

The first attempt in our current scenario was to cow everyone through fear from a virus that has less that a 0.03% lethality across the total of the population (US stats). Only those with co-morbidity issues and/or advanced age had a real issue. Children were largely unaffected.

Was this a concerted effort of a losing American political party and their operatives to purposefully punish the country after the initial data revealed not to be of a real concern? I hear all the screaming about we are opening to early, there will be a spike in the number of infections, the death totals will start to rise, the virus will return, blah, blah, blah ....infinitum ad nauseam .

My personal response to this is so ****ing what! That could happen with any bug especially the more deadly strains of the flu. Did we shut down for the flu? I know there shall be more deaths outside of the virus issue is we do not get the country moving!

Stalling the economy and forcing people to essentially live off handouts/bribes from the government gives government the ultimate control over a persons life. This is why these evil people must crush anyone that can be truly independent. If you get out of line by doing things while under their 'care' considered harmful to the agenda will your benefits will be curtailed?

This is the smiting cudgel to stop freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and ultimately protests. Are you stupid enough to carry a cell phone anywhere near a protest instead of leaving it at home with all the 'contact tracing' aka illegal surveillance actually occurring with your person? I know many of these people are salivating for an opportunity to chip everyone to enable such tracking- something that can not easily be turned off at will.

But with all the screaming against opening the country comes my ultimate concern- not of microbial disease organisms but of diseased and evil minds. These tyrannical freaks are looking for an opportunity to say, 'We told you so. Why did you not listen to us! You caused this this! We could have saved lives'.

Much like people that purposefully start fires and then participate in putting them out to get public accolades these 'wanna-be' heroes might have something else up their sleeves. What if all the medical crooners out their have something more virulent to release upon the populace especially against protestors that refuse to obey their original unconstitutional dicta? I think these people are truly evil enough to do such a thing.

I dont trust any of the CDC or so called experts'as Fauci or their simpering governors. Many have made a career more about helping themselves not helping others. Seems to me as if they would rather make their worst case scenarios come true than allow the data to prove them to be the total fraudsers they actually are.

Regardless - resistance is the fist step in any revolutionary act.

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Here's chart showing the lockdowns do not seem to be working.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/12/l....

The normal medical care gives people a false sense of health. They are focused on blood pressure, blood sugar, and cholesterol. Even people way over weight tell me their numbers are good. They are not motivated at all to change their habits. Well yeah, all the numbers are being artificially reduced by drugs. I don't believe the numbers are good indicators. I think you can tell a lot about a persons health by just 2 things. How fast do they walk? How do they look with their shirt off? I guess butt size might be fairly good for women with no need to take the shirt off.
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In looking at how crazy thing have gotten over the last 4 years or so, the blatant lying and gaslighting that now is the norm from the government and media when addressing the public, whether it's Hillary's 90% chance of winning the presidency, Russiagate, impeachment, and now the Coronavirus caper, I trace it all back to
the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2013. There has been no news, only messaging since then. And there is only one message now: we will lie to about your reality and get you to accept it, and only one goal, maintenance of power.
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@KGMQT "My son will be starting his SR year of college this fall. Many schools are already announcing fall will be distance learning."

My kids go to a private high school that has been distance learning since March by decree of the Gov. of TX - no choice given. There is already talk of having to continue that for the start of the new school year. How many parents are willing to still pay $10k-$15k per year in tuition for 'distance learning' at a private school? Not me, at least.

That happens, you can put a nail in the coffin of private HS education. They'll open if they can, but they may not be allowed to do so. And the public schools are proving they simply can't "accommodate" all the students under distance learning.

No one is going to pay private school tuition for online classes. Fork. Done.
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Not sure if a lot of people know the dire straight that Illinois is in...

We don't have enough money for unemployment:
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/04/23/....

We are going to the first state to declare bankruptcy whether we like it or not. I understand a state cannot declare bankruptcy, but when the check bounces, it bounces. It will be interesting when there is no more unemployment on what people are going to do...
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The economy may be bad enough that next school year simply can't be done, regardless of covid.

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The damage being done to the kids in all levels of school is incalculable. These young people are the future of our country and society. As they go so goes the country. So the country is f**ked for a long time. It very well end up being a lost generation when all it is all over.

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And men that ain't no good"
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Tphedlund: Are you sure about that? My daughter is reading *SO MUCH* better than she was after a very short period of time. I know all parents aren't going to actively work with their kids, but even those that don't - the kids are still learning. They learn every day.

Lost generation? It may be the greatest generation simply due to getting them out of that socialist hellhole of mediocrity that is public schools.

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The damage being done to the kids in all levels of school is incalculable. These young people are the future of our country and society. As they go so goes the country. So the country is f**ked for a long time. It very well end up being a lost generation when all it is all over.


If this is keeping them out of the fetid institution that is the government schools, then these lock-downs are doing those kids a solid. Especially if it's the high school branch of that indoctrination system.

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Right on, Karl! 79 year old Fauci is an age biased imbecile who needs to retire. He is out of touch and his heavy handed approach is designed to test and validate his flawed reasoning. He should never be involved in economic decisions.
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If Ohio Schools do not open this fall I will be damned if I am ever going to support a levy that basically is for distance learning
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