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Augeries
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@Redjack it does seem that most of the doctors are "in on it". I lost 80lbs on keto in 8 months, after my doctor told me not to try it cause it won't work.

Although he was happy at the wieght loss, he was adamant that I wean off of keto and try something "more reasonable and medically accepted".

This was over a conversation that lasted about 3 minutes. I was later charged $300 for that conversation. Physicals are free through my insurance, but "nutrition advice" is not included. My doctor knew damn well that I would be charged extra, and submitted the discussion notes anyway, after being rude over my choices.

**** him, and **** the industry.


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Dvanderp71
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Amsterdam
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Her diet is much better for the environment...

Sigh. Cant argue with stupid.
Whitehat
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Incept: 2017-06-27

Elsewhere
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@Eleua -- a nice adjunct to BMI is waist to hip ratio. there is one for men and one for women. everything else proceeds from this number in terms of health and overall attractiveness. it is the single best indicator of potential health problems and should stay very constant over life. hint: it should be less than one for both sexes and a lot less for females.

this was according to our old family doctor in NY who was beside himself with the obesity plague getting started in the late eighties. he rightfully blamed excessive empty (his words) carbohydrates. he was used to dealing with a large population of obese people in the community and their health problems for as long as he could remember and said that when everyone else adopted their diet it would be a health disaster in America. he tried desperately to get them to change their ways, but as he put it they all have major medical through their union jobs and ultimately retirement health through that or Medicare. knees, hips, bypass surgery, asthma, COPD, the money made by his colleagues offended his sensibilities.

one of the last things that he said was that doctors would face the worst accusation from their communities and country when the lie was exposed, "You knew."

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Hstella
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Redjack: the MD is wrong, entirely. A low protein diet is recommended for patients in full, end-stage renal failure to make dialysis easier. There is literally no real evidence that a high protein damages kidneys in a semi-healthy person. Dr Jason Fung is a Canadian nephrologist who has written about this on his blog, and you may want to listen to the Low Carb MD Podcast as well.
Redjack
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Augeries

The Doc was old school, food pyramid kind of guy.

Bad thing is he is in one of the two big Med groups. He is telling everyone we are "extremists".

Ironically, the new doc we talked to today is on Keto, and loves it.
Keenan
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Incept: 2013-01-11

Western PA
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@Auguries: This was over a conversation that lasted about 3 minutes. I was later charged $300 for that conversation

I hope you took some action as you have good reasons for rejecting the charge and/or lodging a complaint for his padding the bill.
Augeries
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@Keenan I tried. The insurance company was no help. Officially, that "nutrition session" was not covered. **** me I guess. Well **** the doc actually, I'm going to have to search for a keto friendly one like Redjack's. Iowa's a long drive for me though...

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Bodhi
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Quote:
This was over a conversation that lasted about 3 minutes. I was later charged $300 for that conversation.


About 30 years ago I spent a day in the hospital having a kidney stone flushed out. Before I could be "released" an internist came by my room and talked with me for about 10 minutes. He billed my Blue Cross $175 for a "comprehensive consultation." Blue Cross paid $140 and his office started billing me for the $35 balance. I refused to pay and told him that there was nothing comprehensive about our brief meeting, and that at his rates it worked out to over $1000/hour. I got one letter from a collection agency and told them to pound sand. Never heard about it again. **** all these scamming quacks.

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Hot-dog-guy
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It's neat to read all this good news. I know you guys are doing a purist thing (0 carb/sugar) but I seem to have got a lot of benefit by just inverting the food pyramid. Or just thinking twice when planning meals. Not every meal needs a starch. Bread isn't a condiment.

The thing that hit me was Karl making the point about juicing and how often do you sit down and eat 5 carrots or apples or whatever? So we got the juicing down to a shot glass.

Part of the ironic problem is bread has evolved to replace cutlery. Personal table forks just barely made the scene in Western culture but the bun and the tortilla came up fast behind to be the thing that gets the chow to our mouths.

This reflects our new modes or locations of eating: while driving, at the desk, with one hand holding a phone. We'd have to bring back dining chairs, tables, whole rooms at great expense. It might even require that families eat together again.

Screw that, we're ordering pizza.
Texm3
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Incept: 2009-01-05

W. Houston
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@Auguries. Id tell the dr to **** off.

Ive refused to pay two unreasonable medical bills.

A collection agency reached out a few time and I told them I would settle for 20 cents to the dollar.

Never heard from them again and zero credit impact.

I believe our host wrote about it and IMO knowing what we know about proper diet most doctors should be held criminally negligent for some of their recommendations.

Handyone55
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Ceciltucky, Maryland
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I have found a very reduced carb diet works great for me. I know that keto is preferable. My wife is an expert baker and I used to eat an entire loaf of homemade bread every day. The bread was made with a 50/50 mix of store bought white flour and whole wheat I grind myself. The recipe is 3 cups of flour, not sure how many grams of carb but it has to be massive.

Even though I never went full Keto, the percentage carb reduction has to be huge in my case. The numbers speak for themselves:

High carb 200 pounds - Fasting blood sugar 110 - 5 foot 10 height
Lower carb 161 pounds - Fasting blood sugar 86 - same height - Can run an assembly line for 12 hours by myself -

Thank you for extending my life, Mr. Denninger! Plus, I really like my attached, functional legs :-)
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