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2020-01-13 11:11 by Karl Denninger
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America First? No: Billions First, Americans Never
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Now we get a bit of truth out of this entire mess over in Pensacola NAS.

Of course we had Jihadi Joe go on a shoot-em-up and the night before he had a little party where he showed all sorts of jihadi videos and such -- documenting terrorism.

Not one of his classmates and others who were there said one word to NAS personnel.  If they had the attack probably wouldn't have happened, seeing as they would have raided his place, found his gun, and then the questions would have started.

But nope.

Remember, The Saudis are our friends and are more important than Americansseveral of whom are dead.

Then, after the fact, the Navy conducts an investigation (as the government always does -- after the bad thing happens.)  And what do they find?  

The Trump administration is planning to announce on Monday that more than 20 Saudi students receiving military training in the United States will be sent back to their home country, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

Just..... expelled.

Why are they being expelled?

Well, the video party for one.  Isn't that material aid and comfort?

Then there's another great characteristic: Several of them were viewing child porn, which may I remind you is a felony.

And then we're doing material aid and comfort again with the chat room stuff.

Only the last is, perhaps, not a criminal offense.  It might be or it might not be, but that one we can argue over and I'm sure some will say there's no "duty" to report that your classmate is playing jihadi videos at a party he organizes.  I don't know about that one.

But the kiddie porn isn't on the list of "maybes."

In Saudi Arabia, news of the expulsions is expected to be greeted as unwelcome news, according to Daniel Byman, a Middle East expert and professor at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service.

"They don't like public embarrassment. So having have these individuals be expelled, having it make the news, is not something the Saudi regime wants," Byman said.

Expulsion.  Not indictment, not imprisonment after a nice trial, nope.

Top military officials view the programs as a way to boost relationships with foreign militaries and to increase the sharing of intelligence around the globe as a national security measure.

And according to top military officials if a few kids get screwed -- literally raped -- that's ok with them.  It's also ok with the President and Congress; after all, the most-important thing to them is that the stock market go up and selling very expensive planes, parts and such to Saudi Arabia does that.

Even if kids get raped, it's ok -- so say both Democrats and Republicans.

You have to wonder if they'd see it the same way if it was their kid.

Probably.

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Hot-dog-guy
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Freaking Saudis. Well you know what they say, lie down with camels...

Meanwhile back in Iran...crowds in the streets chanting DEATH TO LIARS, yeah as usual we're the liars wait what? THE MULLAHS ARE THE LIARS?

Oh yeah I'd kinda forgot there is a youth/freedom movement in Iran and they want a return to secular law and democracy.
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Yah, what really matters is that we allow the Saudi's to save face. I read that the shooter's nickname was 'porn stash'-- I'm not sure if it refers to a collection or his facial hair. And whatever happened to Nidal Hassan? Why hasn't he been executed yet?

This reminds me of hushed up UN scandals-- sex for food involving Muzzie peacekeepers.

I'm so tired of having to dance around the fact that these people are primitive throwbacks.
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The money-grubbing nincompoops infesting our government will do whatever it takes to keep the money flowing their way. I understand that the Saudis being trained at various bases are the kids of the elites in Saudi Arabia and have a huge sense of entitlement and are not serious students. Not so about the European and Asian students. Before the Shah of Iran was overthrown, Iranian students were trained at various military installations throughout the US. The shipyard in my hometown had a contract to build 4 advanced (Kidd class) destroyers for the Iranian navy. All of that stopped when the regime in Iran was overthrown. We supplied Stinger missiles to Hong Kong when it was a British colony. Let's guess who has had them long enough to reverse engineer them and make upgrades. Bill Clinton allowed advanced radar technology to be passed to the Communist Chinese. The Augean stables in Washington AC/DC need a good cleansing.
By the way, some of your previous posts have mentioned boiled ropes being used to solve some of our problems. What does boiling do for ropes? Just in case I might need to use one.
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Love to put these scoundrels in Federal prison with Bubba. That child porn only be a primer for every act that would done to them.

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Not that it makes it any better, but the Saudi Status of Forces agreement for their service people in the US probably mirrors ours with them for our guys in Saudi Arabia.

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@Dlgreif - So what?

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Ingar wrote..
. . . boiled ropes . . .
According to US Army Pamphlet 27-4 "Procedure for Military Executions", "The rope will be boiled and then stretched while drying to eliminate any spring, stiffness, or tendency to coil."

From what I gather, hanging with an unboiled rope will get the hangee just as dead, but it's more a matter of efficiency in the hanging process, as boiling it makes it easier for the hangman (and those who take the corpse down afterward) to work with the rope.

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I got no problem with just sending them home. I don't want to pay to incarcerate them. But could you just have them swim back home please. With another KSA national under each arm please.

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You stretch the rope to remove elasticity and you boil it to smooth out coils. Otherwise you could let the man drop, the rope stretches and the guy ends up standing there. Also to a lesser extent, the stretch will absorb the power you need to just snap the guy's neck. He ends up asphyxiating. So you end up with a strangulation, not a hanging.

JUST ASK EPSTEIN.
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But they paid us...Transactional President says the Billion Dollars is in the bank, so that makes it OK.
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how about we fly them in to Teheran, unannounced?

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Why does anyone expect any different?

If you remeber back to 911, *all* flights were grounded EXCEPT the ones flying the Saudis out the country.

Pretty sure they had video of Bush ****ing a goat or something.

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@Tsherry - The landing flight would be fine but I'd rent a car to leave.
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Pretty sure they had a video of Bush ****ing a goat or something


Dddaaaaammmmmmmmnnnnn Uraki66 that is not a very nice thing to say about Michael Obama
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@hotdogguy..

I have no issue with slow asphyxiation for such bastards.

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Tickerguy: @Dlgreif - So what?


There are international agreements between countries that provide immunity to diplomats and military personnel who are in foreign countries on their home country's government business. As a native Washingtonian I have seen and witnessed many foreigners with diplomatic immunity get away everything from parking tickets to literally murder. It was not uncommon to see a car with diplomatic license plates park in handicap parking spots, double park or block a street/alleyway, ignore speed limits, etc.

This immunity is given to protect diplomats and military personnel from being harassed by any government or set up on bogus charges and prosecutions to retrieve secret information. Unfortunately, some foreigners will use this immunity to commit crimes and not pay parking or traffic violations. If you are in an accident and the car is registered to a diplomat and the driver is a diplomat, you S.O.L. for receiving any kind of compensation unless the diplomat's country will volunteer to reimburse you for any damages or injuries.

My high school had a number of students whose parents were diplomats. Most of them were very law abiding people. There were a few who would violate traffic laws. Most countries will recall diplomats who are causing problems in a host country. My Father in law had a diplomatic passport and immunity when he worked for the Dept of State. My wife told me one of the children of another US diplomat in the host country they were stationed was caught violating the drug laws of that country. The child was sent back to the USA almost immediately and the parent was reassigned back to the USA. It is a black mark on any US Diplomats record if they or a family member gets expelled from a host country.

Many countries react the same way if their diplomats or family members are expelled from the USA for criminal behavior. I am sure there are some countries who are not as strict, but I think they are very few. If the crime is serious enough the diplomat's county can remove their immunity and have them arrested and prosecuted in the country the offense was committed. Depending on who the diplomat is will usually determine if the diplomat's immunity will be stripped.

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@Ee4fire -- These are students, not diplomats. If I'm a military officer I do not have diplomatic status.

US soldiers in Japan were convicted and are serving time there. Further, most SOFA arrangements do not extend to any act taken outside of official duties.

Thee are very, very few exceptions (think Special Forces in another nation, or a group attached to an Embassy.)

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A SOFA acts in many ways like diplomatic immunity. If foreign troop commits a crime their government get to prosecute them. Like if a US troop commits a civilian crime overseas we prosecute under the UCMJ. In some, rare, cases the US decides to let the foreign jurisdiction prosecute.
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