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2019-11-04 09:10 by Karl Denninger
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This Is Why You NEED An AR-15
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So nobody "needs" one, eh?

Deputies said the man and woman said the suspects attacked the man, pistol whipping him and beating him. That's when the woman retrieved a gun and fired a shot, hitting one of the suspects, deputies said.

The suspects ran out the home, with the wounded man falling into a ditch nearby. That's where deputy found him. 

Yeah, just a gun, right?

Uh, wrong.

The woman in question was pregnant.  They broke in, started pistol whipping the man, severely injuring him.  His wife, who is pregnant, retrieved an AR-15 and plugged one of the suspects who managed to make it a short distance away before collapsing in a ditch.

The communist local paper didn't note the type of weapon, but the NY Compost did.  So did Fox.

Gee, I wonder why the local communist paper didn't specify?  Where are all the politicians urging families, especially where women are pregnant, to arm themselves with AR-15s?

The area in question is one I'm somewhat familiar with, having run a race there a few years ago.  There's not much there; it's well east of the Tampa / St. Pete area.

In any event if you want to know why you need an AR-15, well, this eight-month pregnant woman just showed you why.  She was able to interrupt the attack and, quite-likely, saved her husband's life in doing so.

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In a just world, the assclowns running for president would be made to eat their ****ing peas regarding their gun confiscation policies. Quid-Pro-Joe's secret service detail could only have shotguns, since according to his read of The Bill of Rights Needs, you only "need" a shotgun. The Pretendian, she doesn't think anyone but the police should have guns, so we, we'll take away her secret service detail and we'll give her a cell phone. If she thinks someone is going to do something mean to her while she's out spending $50 trillion, she can call the police.

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BANG.. 3 lives at risk, no more!

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all other considerations apart, nobody has the right to tell me what i can own, or what i need
that is exclusively for me to decide.
ok, for me if my wife let me :-)

and wives apart. when i got my first gun in this country, my wife declared that there would be no gun in our household

then , while family was away for holidays, someone broke into our cellar.

now, when i am away, she asks me to leave a loaded gun in a convenient place.



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They didn't call them arms so you could shoot deer.

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There was also an 11 y/o daughter present.

Who knows how this incident could have played out...
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It should be a requirement for each family member to have one and know how to use it.

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Smacktle wrote..
It should be a requirement . . .
Screw that.

Authoritarian statism which mandates good, common-sense things, while not nearly as bad as statism consistent with lib/prog/SJW crap, is still suthoritarian statism.

In general, gov't should place the absolute minimum requirements on what people do. The people should be free to choose what they want or don't want to do, and live (or die) with the consequences of what they decide.

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I've said it before, the AR15 is the best home defense weapon there is currently.

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I bet neither of them, nor the kid, will be hearing anything for a while though, and there's a decent chance the hearing damage is permanent. Indoors, not suppressed? They're ****ing loud.

Make Suppressors Great Again.

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Hell, even a .38 Special, 9 MM or .22 LR can potentially cause hearing damage indoors; it's a prudent practice to keep a set of earplugs alongside home defense tools and employ them if one has the presence of mind during the gravest extreme but of course, doesn't help those unprotected (hearing-wise) nearby.

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.223 is about 164db average
9mm is around 158db average
.357 mag is killer at 170bd

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Hell, even a .38 Special, 9 MM or .22 LR can potentially cause hearing damage indoors


I had bought a Glock 19 just before I moved to Oregon in 2009. After I arrived I had 5 rural acres on which to target shoot. I had no idea how loud a Glock would be, even outdoors. When I squeezed off the first shot I was ever so grateful for the hearing protection as I would definitely be hearing damaged to this day.
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If the Fed would divert some of that bank bailout money ("not QE" money) over to issuing ("keep and bear") every qualified citizen (the "well regulated militia") one AR-15, 1000 rounds ("arms") and appropriate training, these issues would resolve themselves lickity split!

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KD-

You want AR pattern in 300blk sub-sonic 200gr. With a suppressor. Totally hearing friendly. Great terminal ballistics. Runs the same mags and lower as a standard AR-15. Mine has a 6" barrel. Very good handling indoors even with suppressor.

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@Spanktron9 - Well that's TWO tax stamps so it's one damned expensive gun -- $800 in Form 4s alone (one for the suppressor and the second for the SBR, and you haven't bought the gun yet!) plus the rectal exam from the BATFE along with your local Sher-iffe and a permanent entry on Lizzy Warren's "go raid this **********'s house first" list.

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Mandatory concealed carry nationwide, period.

No penalty for not carrying.

Watch crime disappear overnight.



They don't want no crime, the want crime to the point where you are too busy to worry about their crimes...
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The discussion about hearing loss, while certainly worthy of consideration, is somewhat peripheral to the main issue.

To paraphrase a very common saying in the '60s: "Better deaf than dead.".

(Of course, all else being equal, I'd prefer to be neither.)

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True that.

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I have plr_16 pistol. It has a 9.5 inch barrel. Some say ATF missed this one as an SBR. It shoots .223. I've heard of similar weapons shooting .308.

My experience...

I have a recoil compensator at end of barrel. Doubt a suppressor would help. We call it the dragon due to all the powder still burning about 12 to 16 inches from barrel as the weapon is fired. I'd be afraid of causing a fire in the house. The flash will blind you at night.
Might look intimidating but all the draw backs make it a poor weapon for self defense. Even the gas blast is in your face and enough to knock a hat off your head and force you to close eyes.

It might be good for a curiousity but it is a rather poor weapon with all the draw backs. That being said a 6 inch barrel will be even worse for a rifle round.

357 and 44 magnum are enough for me ...

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KD wrote-

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@Spanktron9 - Well that's TWO tax stamps so it's one damned expensive gun -- $800 in Form 4s alone (one for the suppressor and the second for the SBR, and you haven't bought the gun yet!) plus the rectal exam from the BATFE along with your local Sher-iffe and a permanent entry on Lizzy Warren's "go raid this **********'s house first" list.


Nope. Just one stamp. AR "pistols" are effectively indistinguishable from an SBR now. particularly the latest gen of adjustable braces. I grabbed one of these. Bought a lower, I already had a Geissele trigger, and BCM charging handle, grip and mount for my Chimera (its a multi-cal can). Spent an hour on the bench knocking it together. Done and done.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-7-5-....


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I never understood the BS logic behind making suppressors NFA items. I can understand machine guns, because the Congressmen behind the NFA, wanted to make cash from grandfathered arms sales, but suppressors make zero sense.

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Ive got the electronic set bedside...but in a hurry I might go deaf....better than dead....

As for...."go raid this **********'s house first" list"

Hell just being here puts you on a list.....

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My 15 year old knows how to wield a mini-14 for just such an emergency.

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"I never understood the BS logic behind making suppressors NFA items."

Wasn't it justified by claims that people were using them for illegal hunting during the Depression?

And, yes, it's dumb. Much or most of Europe encourages the use of suppressors to protect hearing; I believe some countries actually make them mandatory for some kinds of hunting.

The US and Canadian governments are literally banning a health-and-safety protective device. Because Feelz.
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