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2019-10-12 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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So Who Went To Jail?
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Note two things:

1. Nobody went to jail or was even "outed" publicly and fired.

2. This had to go up on appeal before the original loss was disclosed.

WASHINGTON - Some of the FBI’s electronic surveillance activities violated the constitutional privacy rights of Americans swept up in a controversial foreign intelligence program, a secretive surveillance court has ruled.


The intelligence community disclosed Tuesday that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court last year found that the FBI’s efforts to search data about Americans ensnared in a warrantless internet-surveillance program intended to target foreign suspects have violated the law authorizing the program, as well as the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches. The issue was made public by the government only after it lost an appeal of the judgment earlier this year before another secret court.

The actual ruling came in October of 2018, roughly a year ago.  The FBI had no intention of disclosing that loss.  It was only after they lost a second time, this time on appeal, that disclosure occurred.

We the people empower this sort of crap and must put a stop to it.  If you or I did something like this we'd be rotting in a prison cell right now.  They're not.  The reason why not is obvious.

I do not give a wet crap if you support our government's intelligence-gathering and such on a general basis.  This isn't about the "general basis", it's about what's happening right here, right now in the instant set of cases, which was clearly illegal and has been ruled illegal.

We must insist that the specific people responsible for these violations be identified, in person, be fired and prosecuted.

The Constitution is not The 10 Suggestions.  It is the highest law of the land.  Until and unless there are hard, accountable consequences for these sorts of violations they will continue and for as long as they continue there is utterly no reason for the people of this nation to continue to consent to our government's existence as a whole.

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So, who went to jail?


A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns. --Mario Puzo

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From Edward Snowden's book Permanent Record.

The legislative branch, the two houses of Congress, willingly abandoned its supervisory role: even as the number of IC government employees and private contractors was exploding, the number of congresspeople who were kept informed about the ICs capabilities and activities kept dwindling, until only a few special committee members were apprised in closed-door hearings. Even then they were only informed of some, but not all, of the ICs activities. When rare public hearings on the IC were held, the NSAs position was made strikingly clear: The agency would not cooperate, it would not be honest, and, what was worse, through classification and claims of secrecy it would force Americas federal legislatures to collaborate in its deception. In early 2013, for instance, James Clapper, then the director of National Intelligence, testified under oath to the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that the NSA did not engage in bulk collection of the communications of American citizens. To the question, Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans? Clapper replied, No, sir, and then added, There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly. That was a witting, bald-faced lie, of course, not just to Congress but to the American people. More than a few of the congresspeople to whom Clapper was testifying knew very well that what he was saying was untrue, yet they refused, or felt legally powerless, to call him out on it.

Snowden came to his decision to whistleblow because he had tried in the past to go through "proper channels" to address security flaws in the computer systems, but actually got dressed down for his efforts. His superiors didn't want to be bothered with upsetting the status quo. When he mentioned to his fellow analysts that the mass data collecting was likely unconstitutional, they just shrugged their shoulders and replied, "What can you do?"

Clapper should be rotting in a prison cell right now, but I'd surmise that he had CON-gress scared ****less of the secret info he had on each of them. The intelligence agencies feel bulletproof and accountable to no one. It would currently appear that they are right.
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drilled in our active duty heads in the 80s as Operation Oversight.
and yet...
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That there is a secret court is all you need to know.
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If one thing has been brought out to those who care to pay attention, the prosecution and investigatory sectors of the Federal government could be the most dangerous crime syndicates on Earth. The people now being subpoenaed by the Democrats are likely controlled by Soros and the Clinton gang. I doubt anything will ever be done to expose them. Remember almost no one went to jail for 2008. SDNY.

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