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2019-10-09 09:40 by Karl Denninger
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Time To Bring Racketeering Charges
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That "surprise" medical bill that the US House and Senate were working on?  It's been quietly stopped.

Why?

Then, in late July, a mysterious group called Doctor Patient Unity showed up. It poured vast sums of money — now more than $28 million — into ads opposing the legislation, without disclosing its staff or its funders.

Trying to guess who was behind the ads became something of a parlor game in some Beltway circles.

Now, the mystery is solved. The two largest financial backers of Doctor Patient Unity are TeamHealth and Envision Healthcare, private-equity-backed companies that own physician practices and staff emergency rooms around the country, according to Greg Blair, a spokesman for the group.

So since the First Amendment protects free speech let's take another approach.

"Surprise" out-of-network bills are consumer fraud.  It is an intentional act taken in conspiracy by the hospitals, medical practitioners and the private equity groups such as Blackstone and KKR.

My view of it is this:

Stop it -- right now, and refund everything done to the public over the last decade -- or everyone involved gets charged with racketeering and conspiracy to defraud not only consumers but insurance companies.  Given the amount of money involved (tens of billions a year) this should easily generate some nice decade-long slam-slam time for hospital administrators, private equity firm directors and officers along with the doctors that go along with it.

Don't like that idea?  I have some less-lawful ones too, especially when this sort of bull**** comes out of shady lobbying organizations buying ads that are intentionally deceptive and, in addition, hide their funding origins.

But I'd much prefer to see the legal alternatives so long as hard, felony criminal time is involved.

Thus bullcrap must be stopped.

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Mangymutt
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By life's choices and the Grace of God, I am in decent health.

Having the opportunity for a unique understanding of Western Medicine and seeing where it was heading, I have avoided dr's, clinics and hospitals (Although I do try and play dr from time to time) like they have the plague.

I understand bad things happen to both good and bad people and there are times life takes a turn or two that could never be planned for. But for the life of me, I can not understand how someone who took the Hippocratic Oath could advocate for socialized medicine - Where YOU have to pay not only for the freak accident that befalls people from time to time, but also for their willing and stupid life's choices.

These same Hippocratic Oath Takers also push drugs, drugs that should not be put into the human body in and quantity or duration, yet they put people on them for days, weeks and years as their bodies fall apart from the inside out. All the while the medical bill for people hooked on these drugs gets higher and higher and the cost of those bills gets pushed on you, more and more.

When people know they can get something for "Free" they do not care what it costs them. When people know their income is based off of giving out "Free" stuff they start selling it.

2024 can not get here soon enuff for some of us.
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How many times in human history have we seen the health of a younger generation being collectively worse than the older generation? Baby boomers versus the Greatest generation? My mil is in late 60's and both her parents survived in their 90's. I would wager she doesn't make it to her 80's and that is with incredible genes. She can't put down the sugar and carbs and its literally destroying her joints and heart. She has had stents put in her arteries and knee replacement and now potential back surgery in the past 18 months. Her dad died while literally replacing his roof and got a dizzy spell and fell off the ladder. He was 93. So sad.
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We need lots of class action lawsuits. Where are the hungry young lawyers? Where are the patient advocacy groups?

I can't understand the lack of progress.
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@Stee_man - "If you do this you'll never work this in this town again."

Think that sort of conversation doesn't happen? Pull the other one.

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Was at Docs today for routine check-up. How many times I tell them-I don't want your damned flu shots! When inquired I tell them I don't trust the science and from what I have read may cause other undesired effects. Plus no one in my immediate family has ever had any type of respiratory flu.

Nurse then pushing me to be tested for Hep C. WTF...When I inquired about what was going on the doc tells me if I gave blood since 1996 I would have been screened already. More ways to extract money out of people.

Take a reasonably healthy person and scaremonger them into shots and unneeded tests with potential of actually damaging their health.

Vaccine makers claim immunity from paying damages. You find that out in the piece of paper they hand you as you are being stuck. Plus they Never have to demonstrate real efficacy of product. Success is a relative subjection.

WTF..... Is ridiculous!



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@Vern-- .gov pays the damages from any vaccine injury. https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensatio....

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi....

I won't get a flu shot-- did get a tetanus booster though.

It is best to take any physicians advice with a degree of caution and skepticism.
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@Vernon -- I've had doctors agree with me that the flu vaccine is probably worthless because the virus included is no longer in circulation. Same for pointing out that colonoscopy benefits don't outweigh the risks. They usually respond well to calm, logical discussions.

@Karl -- Of course, we are dealing with sociopaths -- threats and bribery would be expected. Some people respond to that with bravery and indignation. Then there are retired lawyers who have no career to lose.

As we all know, lawyers fought off big tobacco and after a few small victories the state attorney generals piled on.
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@Stee_man -- "Big tobacco" has a US profit of some ~$35 billion. If we assume a 10% margin (likely generous for any mature industry end-to-end, but not out of the range of reason) then we're talking about a $350 billion a year business, all-in.

The health scam is TEN TIMES that size.

It is not out of the realm of reason to expect that the response to a threat to come after them on this basis would be met with a response of "Do it and we'll kill you -- not just professionally, literally -- and by the way, the US Government won't give a **** if we do it either as every single Congressperson is in our pocket on this scam. Want everyone you love and know to get audited every year for the rest of your life?"

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@Mangymutt I can tell you why the docs have their heads up their asses. Their lives suck. Their every moment is managed and they have this huge administrative burden and they are worked like rented mules. The poor nurses have it worst. Last time I woke up from anesthesia I found a nurse with a laptop hiding in my room. The poor gal had to literally hide in a patient's room and furiously type, trying to keep up.

Even doctors who have parents suffering from treatable illness, when I tell them how I beat the system and cut through the clutter gets this this flick in their eyes. It's not that they don't believe me, it's just this flick that says "oh crap, more things to do that I don't have time for.

They literally DON'T HAVE TIME to do what they got into medicine to do which is just BE WITH PATIENTS.

I'm actually off to go see another doctor that doesn't know **** about me or my condition but she is good looking. Too bad she's too busy to take to lunch.
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Nobody, literally NOBODY has ever gone bankrupt because of medical bills anywhere aside from, of course, the USA.
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Back from the doc. Lab results are in! Hey guys all these years of trying to eat healthy, all natural, low sugar & carbs is really paying off! Most amazing is my liver seems fine which is amazing given as I was at death's door a few years ago.

Interesting note. Thanks to guys like you I ordered some genetic testing and I'm a mutant! I have mutant DNA. In addition to giving me special powers, it also contra-indicates stents and statins. That's good to know. And it's a good thing I listen to Karl. He put the alert out on statins. I guess I'll just be dealing with things as they are. Keep keeping on.

I gotta say I'll trade another heart attack over the slow death of progressive liver failure. Any day boyos. Tovarich. Vatos. Nui Loha. Sometimes not losing feels like winning. I'm totally feeling the win. Even though sadly I failed to score a date with the pretty doctor.

I know, sad indeed. I wept silent tears all the way to the bar.

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I've been hearing their (Doctor Patient Unity) ads here on the radio for at least a month...the past couple of days its been about IDR (Independent Dispute Resolution)...and I just heard one about an hour ago.... here's a find in Colorado checking into them...that is alot of scratch!

https://www.9news.com/article/news/local....


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Eat them.

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Holy ****....here is what they are spending locally...

https://publicfiles.fcc.gov/am-profile/k....

you can put in your local station to see the hammering you're are getting


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Yep.... When do the people fire up the BBQ?

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I'm firing up my own "editorial" to ksl as coconspirators

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I'm not sure anybody is ready for what's brewing in Northern Arizona.

It basically boils down to this: the county says everybody has to comply with modern codes and they are threatening old people who have lived for generations in peace and harmony and the county is saying they have to go.

Simple enough. They have to go. OK. But we say no they don't. And we say no. And they say this and that and we say no. Just plain flat out no. Nuh-uh. Nope. Not under daylight and not at night. In fact, lay a single finger on our elderlies and we are gonna say it louder. And then?

And then a lot of somethings are gonna happen. Including that one I dread. The Old Way states that we should never inflict a hurt on somebody we can't heal and if you kill a kid's parents, that child is yours now.

And I never ever want to be in the position to tell a child that daddy ain't coming home tonight. Especially not iffn I'm the guy that killed him.

There was this one case when one of our patriots gunned some guy down and for just the briefest moment, some young people started attacking the guy's window and we stomped on them heavily for this. That widow is under our protection, lay a single finger on her and we hurt you. I think you guys understand this, just simple rules of honor. We leave women and kids out of it. At least in retributive forms.

But here we go. They are gonna come and we're gonna get together and tell them no and we're gonna be in the height of fashion if you take my meaning. And somebody is gonna back down and it's not gonna be us.

What I think we have here boys is a dead skunk in the middle of the road and it's stinking to all high heaven.



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