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2019-10-08 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Facebook LIES And Now, Solicits Spies
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This is a flatly outrageous act given that it appears Facebook is fully aware of it:

(CNN)The FBI is running ads on Facebook in the Washington DC area seemingly designed to target and recruit Russian spies as well as those who know about their work, CNN has learned.

One ad seen by CNN features a stock photo of a young woman at her graduation with her family. Russian text overlaid on the image reads, "For your future, for the future of your family."

Facebook's terms of service prohibit any act that is illegal.

It is certainly illegal under Russian Law to spy for any other nation.

Not that spying is anything new, of course.  Nations have employed spies forever, and we can have a nice debate over whether spying is good or bad -- with your point of view almost-certainly having a lot to do with whether you're the targeted nation or the one doing the spying.

But it is without dispute that in the targeted nation spying is illegal and, if caught, you're going to at least go to prison and you might be executed.

"The FBI uses a variety of means to gather information, including the use of sources," he said. "The FBI will use all legal means available to locate individuals with information that can help protect the United States from threats to our national security."

Except it's definitely not legal to spy against another nation.

Then again Facebook has never cared about such things.  It has spied on its own users, including through its alleged "VPN" offering that of course gave it access to all the traffic you passed through it.  It has spied on children despite that being illegal under COPPA.  And it it has spied on ordinary adults too by repeatedly violating the alleged "protections" it claimed it had, or allowing others to do so.

All of this, including the latest FBI ads, it made money from.

There's a fairly clean argument to be made that trading "privacy" for services is a legitimate business model.  But it's only a clean argument if everyone has a fair and full explanation and understanding of the trade being made and its implications.  That has never been the case with any social media company.

Now you could cleanly make the argument that if the FBI was to solicit spies to act against China on Facebook that would not be a violation of its Terms of Service, since China does not permit the use of Facebook inside China and in fact actively filters the service.  Therefore there is no violation of the law "in any place where service is offered."  That may be trying to get too cute by half but on the clear and clean language its defensible.

But Facebook is available in Russia -- and as such to allow the FBI to run such ads is indefensible since that is a clear and intentional violation of Facebook's Terms of Service.

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"The FBI will use all legal means available to locate individuals with information that can help protect the United States from threats to our national security."

Legal now seems to be whatever TPTB say it is, the laws be damned.
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Thank you, Karl. I am / was largely ignorant of such laws and restrictions regarding the internet. But on the surface they do seem to me reasonable and just, and I appreciate you bringing them to light.
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Well it's not illegal in the UNITED STATES to solicit spies for a foreign nation.

It IS illegal, however, in the foreign nation. And Facebook's TOS state that you may not do anything on their site that is illegal in ANY place where they provide service, nor may you engage in any sort of "inauthentic" behavior.

Well soliciting spying is damn sure inauthentic!

So what the actual **** here? This isn't a legal thing for Facebook, but it is clearly "selective prosecution" under their terms.

Winding it down.
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It's illegal in the foreign nation and so the appropriate response for said foreign nation is to "ban" facebook.

It's not that easy to do so but the Chinese have really come a long way in the past few years. They got handy with those Cisco er I mean Huawei routers. Russian hackers seem way better than Chinese hackers so it would be fun to watch.

I think it would build upon the globally trending message that facebook just ain't that good for people. There's kind of an intersection going on here. Intel community loves these facegoogs, public is waking up to another monster in the closet.

Take a tip from the kids in Hong Kong. They quickly found all these platforms to be outright hostile to their intentions and well being.
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It appears to me the FBI and Facebook are trying to get some people shot as spies.

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@Mannfm11 well we're all on a list.

I was able to preserve anonymity for years until THIS ONE GUY USES MY REAL NAME ON YOUTUBE and for the next couple of weeks, pretty much all of my surviving relatives got strange phone calls by people asking if they knew me. They called my dad! Even my trusting dad could tell the caller was up to something. So he called me to express concern.

Oh hey Dad, that's what we call a "calling card". They didn't interrogate you right? That was just somebody letting me know they got me all figured out.

I think that interest resulted from the RP2008 effort where we all just went bananas. That was a fun time.

Funny how that worked out. No single organization or agency could contain the volume of creativity, freeway blogging, the R3VOLUTION brand, teabagging the white house fer chrissakes, and then the electoral assault. The attempt to subvert the GOP.

Total loss in any tactical and most strategic measures. And only some of us knew this going in.

Does it count as 3-D chess when we say the difference between a Libertarian and an anarchist is 3 election cycles?
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