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2019-10-07 09:13 by Karl Denninger
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To All Those 'Assailing' Trump Leaving Syria
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Go pick up a gun.

Any gun, but I suggest something that the people there have ammunition for.  After all a gun without ammunition is a club, and the first rule of a gunfight is to have a gun.

Check it in your luggage, and head on over.

It's not illegal, so long as you're fighting on the "right" (e.g. what the US would support) side.

If you're not willing to put your own ass on the line for what you allegedly believe then sit down and shut the **** up.

I'm tired of blowhard politicians and policy wonks telling me how "horrible" it will be if we don't wage war.

If you want to wage war nothing stops you from personally doing it, so long as you're not doing it on behalf of an enemy of the United States.

Now the other nation may think poorly of you doing this, and might even shoot you.  Then again that's what war is about, right?  The risk of getting shot, blown up, or contracting some horrid disease while out there waging war always exists.

If you're not willing to put your ass where your mouth is then who and what you are is obvious -- and as far as I'm concerned you can go **** a goat.

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Amen Karl. Hows about we send their sons and daughters first and then see how much they want war. Let the money come out of their pockets too!

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And good luck figuring out who's on the "right" side(s). The "right" side is also subject to change at US Government discretion.
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True that.

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Turkey is going to get stomped if they invade, and I dont think anyone will back them up

Lebanon might use it as an opportunity to begin their attack on Israel

Israel might use it as an opportunity to strike iran

Saudis might get more dones flown into their petro facilities

It can turn into a regional war pretty quickly

And USA should just sit and condemn the whole madness and let them sort it out

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Erdogan needs a war, because the Turkish Lira is ****, and so is their economy. A nice little war will keep the ignorant masses distracted. Besides, Erdogan is a megalomaniac who dreams of a Turkish resurgence - a mini caliphate - run by him. Trump threw him a bone and threw the Kurds under the tank...

The problem with what Trump is doing is there are elements of the Deep State (I use the term deep state loosely) who don't want Syria to have a Russian pipeline running through it. So, once again, governmental and transnational elements within the American Empire want to curtail Russian energy expansion. And that's why The American Empire has been involved in places like Ukraine and Syria.

What President Mud Monster Trump is doing won't go over too well in the House, Senate and Pentagon. So far, President Mud Monster has done an adroit job in not starting a new war with Iran, and he's also attempting to reduce the American Empire's involvement in the entire region. Let's see how that works out for him.

Personally, I wouldn't be one bit surprised to wake up in the middle of the night to the news of a massive "surprise attack" on something like a U.S. base and/or one of "our friends" (I use the term friends very loosely) over in the Middle East. And, by the way, a Peal Harbor type if attack on "American interests" might be good for getting President Mud Monster reelected to a second term, too, so don't count Trump out of the game just yet...

I say better get yourself a good gun not to fight overseas, but to defend yourself right in the American Empire "Homeland" ( I use the term "Homeland" very loosely, too) when the **** finally hits the fan on American soil and the soil becomes soiled with blood.
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At some point the Kurds are going to join the rest of the ME for US targeted jihad.

We keep ****ing them over.
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At some point the Kurds are going to join the rest of the ME for US targeted jihad.

We keep ****ing them over.


I mean, is us pulling out really "****ing them over?"

They're our allies (or at least, some portion of the Kurds are allies, there are many different Kurdish factions out there, all with varying friendliness towards us).

At this point, you'd think the Kurds would know that the US will eventually pull up stakes and leave, like we've done before (Iraq I, Iraq II, etc). We kinda have a track record of doing that. They should have been planning for that eventuality.
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You want to stop all these wars? Abolish the CIA!

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Send them all over.to Ukraine for trial and whatever comes next.

Televise the execution of the sentence.

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Given what the Turks did to the Armenians in the Armenian genocide, combine that history with modern warfare and ethnic cleansing and I expect the Kurds will be wishing they were Armenian before this is over.

That being said I agree with you that we shouldn't send off our blood and treasure, if we really want to help them the best thing we can do is offer them access to our wonderful arms and let them liberate themselves.

If we are going to insist on spending treasure on it, I'm fine with donating to them one of our surplus boneyards. Let them have a few swarms of 1960s and 70s planes to have some limited air defense, even if the modern defense weaponry Russian is selling them is superior, we have enough junk sitting around that they could still overwhelm an invader.
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Fasteddie, when we make promises and don't keep them, yes it is ****ing them over. They died in masses, including their children, when we broke our gulf1 promises.
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All the whistleblowers are CIA people.

The CIA wants these wars all over the place.

Is this Trump's way of screwing over the CIA/MIC?
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I agree, we f***** the Kurds over big time after Gulf War I.

However, if the Kurds had any intelligence at all, they would have followed the old saw "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."

The Kurds would have been fools to not expect things to go down exactly the way they are now. We stood by them all the way up to the point that we didn't. And we're gonna just drop everything and leave, orderly draw-down be damned.

They aren't dumb, I assume they've planned for this.
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Eh, you could use Robert Heinlein's system for making a decision on whether to wage war, from "For Us, The Living"

In it, if a country wants to send army to somewhere outside, it has to be put on referendum.
- The only people allowed to vote are those eligible for military service AND not currently in it.
- The piece of paper on which you vote serves also as your draft notice.
- If you voted "Yes" you have to go to the army recruiting center and enlist right away.
- Only if all the people who voted "Yes" were sent and it's still not enough, the government can then send people who abstained.
- Those who voted "No" would be in the third group, to be sent only after the first and second were all sent already.
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I don't see how this is ****ing the Kurd's over, that seems like bull**** neocon propaganda to me.

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I'm so over the middle east-- nuke it or leave it. You cannot civilize a turd-world country, especially a Muslim one, except with genocide.

The Kurds have been getting kicked around since WWI-- not our problem.
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Flyanddrive, for better or for worse we allowed (encouraged?!) the establishment of the Kurdish Free State in N. Iraq. I believe at one point we provided not only infantry weapons to defend themselves against Saddam but also, effectively, air supremacy via our F-15/16 fighter cap.

@Amused, our boneyards have plenty of F16s of various stripes. Plus Corsairs, which are very good gunfighters *IF* you can afford to train pilots up to the mark.

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Contrarian position here.

I thought the Kurds were our backstop to Muslim "extremism" in Iraq and Syria. It's my understanding -- please correct me, if wrong! -- that the Kurds are predominantly Sunni, but with loosey-goosey practices other Sunnis frown upon. They seem to enjoy Western behaviors (no head scarfs, for one) and support odd interpretations of Islam -- the Yezedis perhaps because it sets them apart from their equally brutal neighbors.

To backward religionists within an honor-based culture in the ME, promises must be golden. Not keeping our promises slaps their honor and pride. Now, we may have sucked up to Turkey for some reason that hasnt been disclosed or found the Kurds to be more of a nuisance than ally. We may have made a secret deal with the Kurds the media doesnt know or report. Who knows.

The backstory must be telling.

I trust Trump. The man has good instincts. Hes slowly winning international battles and seems to want to protect our military rather than send them on fruitless, expensive missions. All good, no?

Also, I cant help but think this is somehow related to Syria. As with the Ukraine and Libya, I cant think of any rational reason why the CIA was so heavily involved in Syria, seeking to overturn its viable leader and government. Someone targeted the Kurds in Syria. Why? Who? And why was Obama so involved in Syria? The anti-Russian angle doesnt fly, in my mind, and we all know what a suck-up Muslim Obama was to the Iranians. It doesnt add up.

The left really hates Russia perhaps thats all it is, but I still think that many were handsomely paid off, caring not about the Kurds or anything else but their wallets. Trump may be able to expose both corrupt agents and the protected children of pols.
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@Boobles - I don't give a wet ****.

Frankly, most of this bull**** is about two things historically -- Israel and oil/gas pathways. The CURRENT bull**** is likely about gas pipelines.

**** the sand monkeys. Let them do whatever the hell they want. They've been trying to murder each other for a thousand years -- we have no business getting involved in it and ALL of those on BOTH sides of the aisle that have been involved in this bull****, including Hillary, Obama and more deserve to be extradited there into the custody of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, who I'm sure can treat them as well as Ghadaffi was.

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I've been assuming that "our" (Pelosi, Bush, Clinton, Romney, Obama, Graham...) interest in Syria is about pipelines supplying Europe: in particular, a Saudi pipeline vs an Iranian pipeline. So... why aren't the Europeans sending troops in there ??? (Because for once the EU propaganda is right: they're smarter than we are...)

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I think Trump is adopting the stance of an old right Republican, which is to stay out of wars. 75 years of this stuff has bankrupted the country. War allows the government to steal our rights, saddle us with debt and kill our children. Is there a difference between one domino theory and another. I have read the real cold war was about the constant threat of the west against the Russians. There is much to be said about trying to move NATO into Ukraine.

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And good luck figuring out who's on the "right" side(s). The "right" side is also subject to change at US Government discretion.



Follow the government "contracts" & pick your religion of choice and the $$$$$$, & OUR Potilticans,, you have your answers..

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Lickerguy,

Israel loves the Kurds and claims a shared genetic heritage with them, so I rather doubt it's directly about this -- oil/gas has potential as an explanation, however.

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Man! Trump can **** **** up, turn **** upside down and wrong side up like nobody I've ever seen. Is it genius or is it just chaotic reactive craziness? Got me...

He's got all the liberals I'm surrounded by at work screaming about PULLING OUT OF A WAR. Funny ****!
 

WAR!!


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