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2019-10-07 07:50 by Karl Denninger
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Monday Podcast - Ukraine Government Overthrow
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Link #1: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1180915084522078208

Link #2 -- Reuters, ongoing Ukraine mess: https://reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1WL0E8 

Bottom line: We overthrew the existing government of Ukraine; we interfered, intentionally.  We caused an ongoing war with roughly 11,000 casualties -- thus far -- that is still going on.  We had no right to do it in the first place, and if you think this is simply about going after Biden's son -- you're nuts.  It's about a group of unelected spooks who think they have the right to toss out governments whenever they want -- activity that under any rational system of law would get them hanged.  Oh, by the way, we have a treaty with Ukraine that allows them to demand extradition of the spooks and everyone else involved so they can hang them as well.  Gee, why is everyone so nervous?

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Underhanded Amerikan bureaucratic interference with foreign countries goes back at least to the 19th century.
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Stay safe, Karl - and thanks again for doing the daily podcasts!

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From the time of the Czarina Catherine the Great the Crimea was part of the Russian empire, having been wrested from the hands of the Turks. In the early 1950's the Soviet dictator Nikita Khruschev decided that it would be a gesture of socialist brotherhood to bequest the Crimea from Russia to the Ukraine. No one consulted the Crimeans (about 95% being Russian speaking) about this transfer, since will of the people and popular opinion did not matter in the dictatorship of the proletariat.
In the early 1920's the communist dictator Lenin bequested the Russian provinces of Lugansk and Donetsk (populated by an overwhelming percentage of Russian speaking peoples with strong ties to Russia) to the Ukraine. What did the will of the people in these provinces matter? The Soviet Union was one big, happy fraternal socialist union; if anyone squawked about this transfer of land and peoples they might end up like the millions of Christians slaughtered at the will of Comrade Lenin.
The USA pays lip service to the will of people of the world to the right of self-determination. Our oligarchs wanted to install a pliable drunk to run the Ukraine to facilitate the looting of the country like they had installed Boris Yeltsin in Russia some years before for the same purpose. How many of "our" elected officials from both parties were there to slice up the pie of the Ukraine for their financial gain? Judging from the uproar over Trump's call to the Ukranian president about investigating corruption there are probably many who would prefer to keep their activities unknown. This isn't about defending Joe Biden's right to ask an innocent favor on behalf of his crack-head son.
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I like the podcasts.
I would like it more if it was supported with a few written headlines to get me to come back and listen for when I cannot listen to it right away.

WOW!
Thanks for adding the headline.

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Agree with Jal. Like the podcasts. Market Ticker is must read, must listen every day.

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Thanks for covering this Karl. I agree our state dept. and CIA were balls deep in the beginnings of the Coup. Then they supposedly brokered a deal for early elections that was not honored by the right sector gang. That was when Yannucovich was chased out of the country and their Parliament or Rada was taken over with guns. Obama backed the Nazis almost instantly. The rest is history mostly unreported here in the "land of the free" as practically none of it looks good for the US.
The real money shot is who ordered the coup after the election deal was brokered? Was it homegrown or from someone in the State Dept. going rogue or Obama himself?any which way we were balls deep involved.
Another good question is which "genius" thought Russia was going to let us waltz in and take over Crimea? Did it take a group of idiots to come up with that plan ? The world was lucky that Putin is an adult and found a way to **** them back without mass bloodshed! my 2 cents
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@Elsrog -- we had no right to do it, we have a TREATY with them that was valid at the time, they should run that ****er up Bolton's ******* until he tastes it, demand his extradition, try him and hang that ********** from his balls post-conviction.

All of that is 100% LEGAL under said treaty.

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Tickerguy: I totally agree with you, if we are going to go in and find out the truth, I would be all for it, but it doesn't look like that is what is happening. Instead it looks like the same scam is now being run from the other side.

I am an isolationist, and I would rather we just pull out and wash our hands of all of it but...

Like I said in the other thread, why did Perry announce his resignation as soon as the Ukraine stuff came out? Why is Giuliani and Perry running around demanding they restructure their liquidified natural gas business with their President? What the hell does our Energy Secretary need to be doing helping open their market up to Western Investment when we are a net exporter of LNG, don't we have enough domestic energy concerns without globe trotting in to their business?

Its for the same reason that they didn't shut down the FISA Court or dismantle the Surveillance State in general, because the current group of ***** wants to run their own version of the same scam.

If the past corruption is going to be played, and used to justify future corruption, how does that benefit us except to normalize it? Saying, well the other guys did it too, so now it is ok if our guys do it, is a recipe for disaster.

When I hear these guys talk about 'corruption' it reminds me of the mafia talking about 'protection', in neither case do I really believe any of these bastards actually have my interests at heart.
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I of course agree 100 percent we had no right. It was absolutely insanely criminal to screw over Ukraine mainly because Obama was trying to **** with Putin. My personal theory is Obama got his panties so twisted over Syria that he tried to retaliate in Ukraine.
I used to travel to Ukraine every year. The country was changing fast for the better. The whole Maidan thing was run by a small group and our flunkies were there in force. As with everything political in this country Democrats lied about it the media swore that's what happened.
For no good reason except to try to hurt Russia 15-20 thousand people died. That number is probably a bare minimum. There were thousands left homeless, jobless, murdered, tortured and raped. All so that black ******* could try to **** with Putin. There may have been a rational reason to overthrow the govt. in Ukraine but I have never heard it. again my 2 cents and probably only worth half that.
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We could start by sending them Soros. Who gets the bill for the new cold war?

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The overthrow of the Russian allied Ukrainian gov't is rated as the sole (?) actual foreign policy "win" of the Obama administration and H Clinton Dept of State. Of course, the context is nothing other than the joyous celebration of us vs them which constitutes the raison d'tre of neocon/cold war/mil-sec cohort.

Personally, I have long been with Randolph Bourne, who evaluated American policy well in his essay War and the Intellectuals,(1917):
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The intellectuals, in other words, have identified themselves with the least democratic forces in American life. They have assumed the leadership for war of those very classes whom the American democracy has been immemorially fighting. Only in a world where irony was dead could an intellectual class enter war at the head of such illiberal cohorts in the avowed cause of world-liberalism and world-democracy.
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It is what was called The Great Game when the Brits played the hand. Ante up; it's dealer takes all.
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