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2019-09-09 11:32 by Karl Denninger
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Cargo vessel lists, capsizes and goes on its side.

It's not immediately clear what caused the problem but it certainly looks like she may have cut the corner coming out of the channel, going aground and rolling -- and once beyond the limit of stability and she started to flood she'd settle on her side just like this.

She's clearly on the bottom now on her side, so it looks like this is plausible in terms of what happened originally.  The other obvious possibility is a major cargo shift occurring when she came around, causing her to roll.  The vessel is apparently a vehicle transporter and the vehicles are typically secured fore and aft (that's what those hook screw-in attachment points are on cars nowdays -- they're NOT tow hooks and most dealers remove the screw-in piece before delivery so you don't try to use them that way as it's very likely that if you do you'll do serious damage to the frame or body.)  A few vehicles that were unsecured wouldn't do this but a full deck of them might, if they got loose.  That shouldn't be possible but then again....

Apparently there were four crew trapped in the engine room but they've been located and should be able to be extracted.  It'll be fun re-floating that beast. It's not impossible -- but it's not going to be easy......

There's speculation that Dorian was somehow involved in this.  I doubt it very much -- my money is on a navigational mistake, with the second bet being on unsecured cargo, but frankly, how you could have enough vehicles unsecured to cause this sort of incident boggles the mind -- you'd basically have to have an entire part of the loading sequence go wrong where a very significant number of vehicles were left unsecured in one of the cargo decks.  That's a tough sell.

I'll be watching this one with quite a bit of interest as this is the sort of thing that's just not supposed to happen....

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I laughed mightily when I saw this in the news
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My first thought was a rogue wave nailed the ship, causing cargo to shift.

Glad they got the crew out.
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I am from that area so it is a bit interesting to say the least.

I heard some years ago, do not know if it is true or not, that one large ship sinks each year.

The Brunswick port is primarily used for autos as I understand it. https://www.icontainers.com/us/2017/05/1....

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Oh dear. I hope no one loses their job over this.
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It'll buff right out..

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Holy crap: there are 4000 cars in its hold.

I wonder if the ship was overloaded. Thinking of the Eastland disaster, when it rolled over because too many people went to one side...

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@Drifter -- The only load-related issue I can think of would be if an entire DECK, or a material part of one, was unsecured. That would be a MAJOR ****-up but it's not impossible.

Otherwise I bet it grounded, given where it ended up and where it's laying now. She rides up on the keel on the ground then falls off and floods through the side hatches, and you're ****ed.

These sorts of ships also have internal ballast systems for trim purposes but it would take an unbelievably-severe malfunction that couldn't be shut down to do this sort of thing and I very much doubt that's in play here.

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Tickerguy wrote..
. . . for trim purposes but it would take an unbelievably-severe malfunction that couldn't be shut down to do this sort of thing . . .
Sorta like the automated trim on the 737MAX ?????
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Pretty clear from the chart a small deviation or some incorrect set and drift calculations would screw up your whole day..

I concur with KD, they likely ran aground and shizz got real quick.

http://coastmariner.com/bin/chart2mob.ph....

I hold out hope someone will call the local news with the captain and first officer names a la the SFO crash...

Captain Tu Shao Loa...

First Officer Ding Dat Bao

Etc.

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Also, what a trip that that is where Jekyll Island is as well.

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Reports are there was a pilot on board (e.g. harbor pilot; they had not yet cleared the control zone around the harbor.)

The bad news is that the Captain is still responsible for the ship even though the pilot was likely directing it. Eek.....

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My Aunt and Uncle have had a beach house on Jekyll since I was around 8 years old and my family (parents & sisters, and now wife and daughters) have been going most years since every year. We KNOW exactly where this thing overturned.

The channel is not very wide - and gets pretty shallow pretty quickly in that area.

If you scroll down the linked article, there are a couple pics of folks on "Driftwood Beach". When we go stay at the beach house, that is our favorite beach. The first pic is right at the northern tip of the beach / island.


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Best comment I've seen so far:


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"A US warship with a large dent in the bow was spotted fleeing the scene."

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As a former ship's captain, I too, am interested in this event. Grounding can immediately affect the stability of a ship as a portion of the hull comes out of the water, but stability really has to already be marginal. That's effectively what happened in this video https://duckduckgo.com/?q=anacortes+new+.... The bow wasn't floating sufficiently when transitioning from launch dolly to floating. During that time, the stability, well, let's just say, wasn't 'as calculated' when floating normally.

However, these car carriers are often 'on the edge' and need to shuffle fuel and ballast constantly. A small error in this process can have such an undesirable effect. Ballast also needs to be changed out between ports to prevent inadvertent transfer of foreign organisms. This further complicates the ballasting process. It wouldn't surprise me if they were getting a 'head start' on the process and a valve or pump failed to work as expected, or someone simply messed up....
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https://www.wjcl.com/article/coast-guard....

911 call to local dispatch from a witness.


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Makes me feel much better about backing over that stump on Merrit's mill pond last Saturday. (If ypu have never heard of it-it is crystal clear)
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Quote:
It's not a boat. It is a ship, you know, like 400 feet long.


911 dispatcher was dumbfounded.


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