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2019-09-07 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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I.... told.... you.... so.

Paul Hildreth peered at a display of dozens of images from security cameras surveying his Atlanta school district and settled on one showing a woman in a bright yellow shirt walking a hallway.

A mouse click instructed the artificial intelligence-equipped system to find other images of the woman, and it immediately stitched them into a video narrative of where she was currently, where she had been and where she was going.

Computers are very good at identifying patterns.  This is not "artificial intelligence" -- but it is commonly called that.

The problem is that given a large enough data set a computer can identify patterns in data that appears at first blush to be disjoint when in fact it is not.

Now if you voluntarily present yourself in a given place, you have notice you're being recorded, and you remain then that someone is watching you is not a surprise nor, provided you have alternatives and thus your presence is truly voluntary, does it raise much of a privacy concern.

But when systems like this gain access to disjoint data sets which are not in that specific place, where you did not give affirmative consent, and then analyzes that data over time there's a problem whether your individual consent was given for each individual interaction or not.

The problem becomes especially severe when people are using such pattern recognition over periods of time and in disjoint places with an attempt to pinpoint persons who they believe are going to commit a crime in the future and take some sort of action based on that belief.

Not only are those sorts of pattern matching algorithms less than 100% accurate (and it doesn't matter how much less if the user imposes any sanction based on a "hit") up until the crime is actually committed there is no offense and thus sanction imposed in advance of the crime is at best a punishment for thinking about a crime and at worst it's imposition of a sanction against someone who not only didn't do anything wrong they didn't intend to either.

These systems can never be completely accurate -- but they sure as hell can be used to round up people and punish them in an unlawful and unconstitutional manner.

To use video and audio surveillance as a means of identification after a crime has occurred doesn't implicate any of these issues.  But to effectively play Minority Report is another matter entirely.  This sort of technology and the links between these systems are pervasive today and will get much worse unless we the people demand it stop and be dismantled.

Oh by the way, one of the ways the government intends to use this?  To qualify -- or disqualify -- you from owning guns and there are plenty of **********s who are pushing this sort of crap too.

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Smacktle
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I read from Michael Yon in Hong Kong where protesters are using lasers against cameras taking stills and video of them. Apparently it messes up a sensor in the camera?

Maybe we could start carrying around lasers and start tagging cameras taking video of us. One way to fight back. Can of spray paint?

Soon lasers and spray paint will be banned.

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1984 ... Busch League.

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Data: It appears to be an infiltration device. It's accessing navigational controls.

Riker: Shields up, red alert!

Data: That's not gonna help now.

Riker: Block it!

Data: It's already in.

Riker: Override!

Data: No effect.

Riker: Compensate!

Data: You seem to be confused as to the nature of cause and effect.

Computer: The warp core will breach in 5 seconds.

Riker: Well I better make this fast. I have exactly 10 seconds of monologue to get through! (grabs random female ensign) I'm so sorry.

Ensign: Oh Will!

Riker: I'm so sorry that....

Ensign: Oh Will say it, say it, say it now!

Riker: That time on Rigel IV at the bar. I'm so sorry that I never grabbed your groceries. I was saying to myself Will, one day you are gonna nail that. Dude you are gonna drill that piece to China. I'm talking tape off the scene, there's gonna be a crime! Man I'm sayin...

BOOM!



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Apparently the ChiComs are working AI to recognize unique patterns in a person's gait per this ZH link:

zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-06/chinese-government-identifies-citizens-way-they-walk

Not very surprised here that Hollywood presaged it better than 20 years ago with the character of Verbal, employing that disguise. I guess gait changers, Guy Fawkes masks and lasers with soon be standard fare.

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Lasers are so passe.

Shoot the camera. It is overheating and needs more ventilation....

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Personally I loathe the phrase "Artificial Intelligence", artificial it sure is, but my goldfish is more intelligent than any computer ever will be. I get why they call an inanimate object intelligent as it sells their idea. And databases do, do a good job at pulling up information from several sources quickly and displaying patterns and can be programmed to ask leading questions that make it appear they are doing you a favor.

There is no question that Einstein was an intelligent man, and with much effort, time and labor he was able to solve many problems that have lead to scientific advancements. Today almost every American could pick Einstein out of a police line up, very few have the slightest clue what he did - Other than Be intelligent - Many of you reading this are probably going to say "No **** Einstein", but over the years there have been many useless saying attributed to the man. Who knows how many of these sayings are true or relevant? What we are sold to care about is someone who is not alive but looked kind of cute with his pipe and goofy hair flying all over the place said them. But not just any cute dead guy said them, it was THE SMARTEST dead guy around. And how do you argue with that? Especially when the quote can be verified through The Googel or BookFace.

The authority figures (Police, schools, courts, ect) who will be receiving these machines will believe they have something smarter then them. They don't want to look stupid and will except it as "Intelligent". The person/s these are being used against will be told how "Intelligent" it is and not allowed to argue against it, besides who do you argue against? A machine that is not alive, what if the machine is made to look cute? Are you really going to argue against an inanimate object that is WAY smarter than you and cute as hell too boot. Hell I doubt you will even be allowed to argue intelligently against it.

Of course the more they gain acceptance in our schools i.e. metal detectors, by lawless enforcement i.e facial recognition and our courts i.e predictive behavior, the more we beings that are not as cute as these machine or as "smart", but are living actual lives that WILL be impacted by this horse **** will bow down to it and allow it to rule our lives.

Anybody that has done even the simplest amount of programming can tell you the data is only as good as the sets being pulled from. The program can be set to display certain types or orders of data and perhaps most importantly statistical data can be fairly easily manipulated.

But as that pipe smoking, cute and cuddly all wise grandpa figure Einstein said: "A **** it"
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"Schools are the largest market for video surveillance systems in the U.S."

Don't you just love it when you have to pay taxes through the nose for the George-Orwell video surveillance systems, so that the Marxist education centers can keep a close on little Johnny and Mary and little illegal Pedro and Eva and Muhammad and Tabeer?

Yeah, neo-Orwellians and their minions are conditioning your children to be totally dependant on a loving Big Brother. I say "your children" and not our children, because my children were homeschooled and privately schooled. I didn't abuse my children by subjecting them to a daily dose of the Maxist curriculum that's widely taught in public schools.

Personally, the best I can hope for right now is a literal Dark Age. Hopefully sometime soon Mother Nature will greatly curtail or completely shut down the modern dystopian world and once again remind mankind that "civilization exists by geological consent- subject to change without notice"...

I used to agree with Alex Jones when he said that "mankind's future is out beyond in the stars". Im not so optimistic, anymore. No, mankind will never achieve the kind of future portrayed in "Star Trek". Mankind can't even get its **** together right here on Earth. And time is running out.

Mankind is much more likely to experience near or total extinction long before a warp drive is developed...

So let's try and keep it real, because Earth is the best chance we've got..





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00 Buckshot

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Sweet asteroid of death.

100 miles across, solid iron please...

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People should also keep in mind these are the type of tools that will be used to cow the more affluent, intelligent and socially acceptable population. Law(less) Enforcement already has the tools needed control the less affluent, less intelligent and socially inept population. Once you are admitted into the system you are much easier to track and control. Affluent populations don't tend get picked up for victimless crimes and if they do they normally have both the financial and intellectual means to escape admittance into the system.

But their participation in the system is always wanted.

The police will be coming to these neighborhoods, knocking on their doors, asking oh so politely to come into your homes so they can discuss with you the benefits of their new camera tracking system. Of course, they are only concerned for your safety and the future of the children. And all you have to do is allow your camera and audio system to be accessible by Law(less) enforcement. You may know what is up, and you may refuse to even open the door to these pigs. But will your neighbors? And how do you argue against "the children"? And "Making your community a safer place". Are you going to tell PTA Sally about how guns deter crime and she should own one. PTA Sally will scream, NO! And Say - YOU are exactly the reason we need police to protect them.

Go downtown, there will be cameras, go to public places there will be cameras all these places have been monitoring peoples behavior for quite some time. Most of the players on THAT side of the tracks have been identified. The players in affluent neighborhoods, not so much: Oh Mr Johnson, we would like to see if you would allow us piggy wiggies to access your Ring video system. Mr Johnson - NO! And **** NO!. "Oh that's too bad" exclaims the piggy wiggies; "they can be so beneficial to the safety of a neighborhood, why look right here and you will see we have video from one of your neighbors Ring systems of a young blonde's car suspiciously parked in this neighborhood last week while your wife was out of town." "We have reason to believe this might evolve the safety of your wife, when would be a good time to call her?"

"Thanks so much for your time" the piggy wiggies say as they hand Mr Johnson a flyer on Ring tracking and say; "You know you can always reconsider your stance on this program which will probably mean we won't have to come back out here to talk with your wife directly"

Now Mr Johnson can feel better about himself and the safety of his neighborhood because he too is part of the system.

I am wondering if there is a way neighborhoods can set up an HOA or something that can legally prevent Law(less) enforcement from this type of intrusion. (HAHAHAHAHA I used legally and "Law" enforcement in the same sentence, I am so funny)

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I can think of several ways but they all get me on one of those lists.

So.... Bye Felicia.

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I am not against 00 buckshot or using some other form of "ventilating" the tacking systems. I actually am all for the complete destruction of public monitoring systems. A city has a red light camera that is giving out unlawful tickets, run a rail road spike into it, I applaud the effort. Fire a gun at one....Boy howdy you will have the piggy wiggies looking for your sorry ass until it is found.

We are now reaching the point these tracking systems are reaching our neighborhoods and the piggy wiggies are asking to co-opt YOUR and YOUR neighbors system. Are you really going to shoot 00 buck at your neighbors house? Jam his wifi signal, mess with the feed, hack into the idiots house through it and turn on the heater, sure. But shooting one at best only insensitive the rest of your neighbors to set up theirs.

Down town or public places, wrist rockets (sling shots) with ball bearings or marbles can be fairly accurate with practice for the ones out of physical reach, but less than 30ish yards. The ones you can touch, a dab of JB weld of bonding agent can do wonders.

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I can think of several ways but they all get me on one of those lists.


YUP!!!!

And from that list you go to the head of the line.
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"Schools are the largest market for video surveillance systems in the U.S."

Don't you just love it when you have to pay taxes through the nose for the George-Orwell video surveillance systems...

And the whole reason why we "need" these video systems in the first place is because we outlawed guns in schools in 1996 and 90% of all gun-related violent crimes on school grounds have happened in those gun-free zones since...

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@Mangymutt - Wirecutters on the cable feed....

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There's this thing called electricity, I'm thinking we may need to learn to live without it.

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Jduwaldt said:

"And the whole reason why...."

Back in the 70s and 80s I used to wonder "why"... and I used to do it a lot. Fortunately for me I had great guidance counselors.

"I keep six honest serving-men
(They taught me all I knew);
Their names are What and Why and When
And How and Where and Who.

I send them over land and sea,
I send them east and west;
But after they have worked for me,
I give them all a rest."- Kipling

"The whole reason why" America transmogrified into an Orwellian police state centrally planned by officious collectivists has nothing to do with guns (or the lack thereof) and everything to do with the caliber of people's mind. The mental caliber of the willfully ingenious public mind is what is the inveterate root problem --- not guns or the lack thereof.

Here, let me do the math for you: public school = public mind which is equivalent to low caliber. So what's the real problem? And what's the solution?

A poor education. That was the problem, and a good education used to be the solution. Back in the 1970s when a best selling author by the name by Robert J Ringer pointed out to me that education was the key determining factor to whether or not America would become the collectivist hell on Earth that Ayn Rand warned about. So, what happened? I think you know....

Welcome to 2020 the collectivist hell on Earth.

I say that at this point in time the situation has gotten so bad for Western Civilization that it's going to collapse and nothing is going to stop it. The ignorant masses are not just ignorant; they are mentally ill. Millions of people have literally lost touch with reality. One example is how people think that they can be any gender (including no gender) that they choose. They think this is normal when in fact it is really sick.

Time for Mother Nature to unchain the Grim Reaper, so he can get to work. The sooner the better, I say.

And please, Mother Nature, release the Kracken, too, and all the other destroyers - just to make sure.
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May the sweet asteroid of death, 100 miles across, smote us NOW.

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Quote:

May the sweet asteroid of death, 100 miles across, smote us NOW.


That is actually my second voting option.

The first would be more entertaining and possibly my destructive to the heart of the evil empire.

First vote - Karl Denninger.


P.S. I am not sure if the spell check in the comment box is proprietary, but your last name is not covered in the comment box.
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Mangy: It's your browser's spellcheck, not through the website.

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Yep. No internal spell check here at the Ticker...

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Just got back from a trip to Walmart with my son. As we were walking out, we could see ourselves on monitors positioned above the cash registers. The f-ing things were drawing squares around each of our faces and tracking us across multiple cameras and monitors as we exited the store.

I looked on the way out and could find no notifications on the doors that tracking was taking place.

It is 1984!
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Of course not.

Blow it all to Hell.

BTW that **** is everywhere now.

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