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2019-03-13 09:51 by Karl Denninger
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

And according to a recent study at NYU Langone Health, chronic pot smokers (defined as more than 20 days per month) had almost a one out of three chance of developing Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome (CHS), an awful condition associated with varying degrees of pain and uncontrolled nausea and vomiting, which can for last several hours. This translates to over 3 million sufferers in the U.S., when you consider the current numbers of chronic pot smokers.

One out of three?

In my younger years I knew a lot of people who used to smoke a lot of weed.  Every day.  All day.

This seems to be associated with young folks -- as in "old high school and college" times.  I don't run with that group of people any more, of course, since I'm more than a bit older -- but I bet they're still around.  The faces and names change... but probably not much else.

And I'll lay very good odds that nowhere near 1 in 3 of them have ever had anything similar to what's being described happen.

Is it a real thing?  I don't doubt it.  There are people who have bad reactions to all sorts of things, including booze.  I personally avoid champagne, as it gives me a hell of a headache, and I see no reason to intentionally punish myself in that fashion.  A former very close friend of mine never smoked weed even when in the company of many people who did.  Why?  He was epileptic (under control via prescription drugs) and being stoned felt, to him, exactly identical to what he felt a few seconds or minutes before he had a seizure!  Needless to say that would be more than enough to convince me to never touch the stuff!

I'd have to ask exactly what sort of level of consumption is involved here too. That's a fair question, right?

What I find most amusing is that I don't think the level of consumption has gone up much in places like Colorado since it was legalized.  What's happened is that the state has collected a lot of tax revenue and the black market has been harmed, both of which look like pretty good outcomes from where I sit.  If consumption has gone up on average I bet it hasn't gone up much.

Let's face it -- being ****faced stoned isn't very conducive to a whole host of things most people do on a daily basis.  Like, for instance, going to work and actually performing a job.  For those who consume on a regular but much lesser basis, much like my having a beer in the evening after I'm done with whatever is important that I have to do in a given day, well, I ain't buying the "one in three" claim there at all.

But let's assume it's accurate.  This is all they've got -- you might puke in a very unpleasant fashion, and have to take a hot shower to stop it -- which would be a pretty good signal to you that perhaps your consumption of cannabis is a bad idea?

Come by the local bar on a "Sunday Funday" if you want to see some uncontrolled puking, and no, taking a hot shower won't stop that either.  In fact if you are around a college and find a Friday night party (maybe at a Frat House) I bet you will find plenty of alcohol-abuse induced hurling going on.

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Gonewest
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Maybe the nausea and vomiting should be attributed to the full bag of Doritos and the tub of nacho cheese they consumed while stoned.

Perhaps they should switch to bacon instead. smiley
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Sure I will believe 1 in 3 chronic users get these symptoms. How many of these chronic users are on chemotherapy, dialysis or as gonewest points out having some outside source be the factor.

The unnecessary over use of anything (including sugar) is abuse. And not good for you. People that cannot walk away from their drug of choice have a problem. However I know/have known well more than 3 people who are/were VERY heavy pot smokers. And I am unaware of any of them complaining of these symptoms.

Capsaicin is a good topical pain reliever, soaking in hot water can also be a good remedy for several ailments. How Capsaicin effects nausea is new to me, how taking a long ass shower can control vomiting is also new to me. Could it be the chemo patent was feeling ill and vomiting uncontrollablly so decided to stay in the shower until the symptoms subsided?

How many pot smokers keep a tube of Capsaicin next to them? Why was this and not BenGay pointed out. And how did Langon Health have access to more than 3 chronic pot smokers.

I am calling bull **** on the control group, bull **** on the findings and bull **** on letting the conclusion lead the data.

Doctors finding a problem for a non-existant cure. I hope this was done on a goverment grant.
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Now when I was a kid and smoked pot we drank beer with it (16 / 3.2 beer) Now which gave you the munchies high carb liquid bread or pot?

5 years ago I gave up drinking, went on a low carb diet (thank to Karl) started smoking again and lost 75 lbs.

As for the studies that are bringing back the mentality of reefer madness, I develop SSS ( Social Science Syndrome) condition associated with varying degrees of pain and uncontrolled nausea and vomiting.
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I know somebody who had this happen - they puked after smoking pot. And once it happened, it happened every time they smoked. A hot shower fixed it but put a damper on their buzz for sure.

Guess what they did? Even though they were 16 years old, they had enough sense to STOP smoking pot. And they didn't smoke again for months. When they did smoke again, they smoked only a small amount and never got sick again.

I don't believe the 1 in 3 statistic though. That kid had a lot of stoner friends and was the only one to suffer that way. It was 10 years ago, high school, college into work and they've never met anyone else who got sick from pot.
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I have known hundreds (if not >1000) of pot smokers. I grew up around it and smoked for many decades.

ONE person out of all those would regularly vomit after smoking, but it wasn't anything like described. He would (usually, not always) throw up, then was fine a minute later. He didn't smoke much (maybe once or twice a month) but it wasn't bad enough to make him quit entirely.

1 in 3 my ass.

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Asimov wrote..
I have known hundreds (if not >1000) of pot smokers. I grew up around it and smoked for many decades.

ONE person out of all those would regularly vomit after smoking, but it wasn't anything like described. He would (usually, not always) throw up, then was fine a minute later. He didn't smoke much (maybe once or twice a month) but it wasn't bad enough to make him quit entirely.

1 in 3 my ass.


Ditto. I smoked from my senior year in high school until my late 20s. I never saw anyone get sick from smoking pot. Combined with a 6-pack of Colt 45 was a different story. I also call BS on this study.
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Government supplied pot? Who knows what other crap was in it.
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Paraquat with a side of weed....

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yep.

I wouldn't even smoke it unless I grew it. Which I will not.

This is so much BS wrapped in pseudo science.
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worst food poisoning that i ever got, the cats did not do their usual begging at dinner and refused what i offered them. whose fault was it, the person who gave me the bad **** or me for ignoring good warning from trusted experts.

betcha that most of the people getting sick in these stories kept going back to the same suppliers.

for illustrative purposes . . .


the comments section for this video is hilarious.

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1 out of three? Bull$&%$Lets just say that my experience on the topic and the experience of my buddies says otherwise. Now alcohol on the other hand...
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Once pot companies start spending advertising dollars with the corporate media, these fear mongering stories will disappear. Until then, reefer madness will continue.
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They used to tell us it would make us grow*****. If only ..
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