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2018-11-04 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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First we were told that none of the "caravan" would be allowed into the United States.

"They're not coming in.  Go home, you're wasting your time."

Now of course that's changed -- that is, the original statement was a lie, as we are now talking about "beautiful tents."

Uh, for what do you need tents *******?

The concertina wire is a good thing.  Physical barriers make for better neighbors when we just can't all get along.  And it appears the Mexicans are getting the message to some extent, in that one of their governors who was going to provided buses suddenly decided not to.  The excuse was a water system problem in Mexico City.  The truth might be simpler: If any part of the Mexican government structure provides formal aid to this group of invaders they are sponsoring an invasion and that is an act of war.

Cut the crap Mr. President.  If the caravan is not coming in then barriers must go up.  If they have to be razor wire due to time constraints (rather than a wall) then so be it.  But behind barriers must be enforcement.

No person has a right to break and enter.  That's exactly what illegally crossing a border is.  That the rights involved in entry to the United States are diffuse rather than on-point (such as with your house) is not material, any more than you gain the right to trespass in a vacant apartment because hundreds of thousands of shareholders own the building through a corporate structure.

Diffusion of ownership does not provide a defense to unlawful entry, breaking and entering or trespass.

And in this case the President doesn't just have the authority to stop illegal entry he has a Constitutional mandate to do so.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Whether the invaders come armed with guns, rocks or intend to overrun barriers by numerical force is not material.  Note that nowhere does it say the invaders must be shooting firearms; the founders were well-aware that overrunning positions is not only historically common it is one of the most-common means by which invasion occurs.

The Federal Government is required to prevent any State from being invaded irrespective of means -- period.

The federal law on Posse Comitatus says this:

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Article 4 Section 4 expressly authorizes and in fact demands that invasions be put down.

There is no violation of Posse Comitatus as expressed in 18 USC 1385 in the use of the military to repel an invading horde irrespective of the means by which they intend to invade.   In fact putting down such an invasion is the express remit of the US Military and as the Commander in Chief the President is required to so order them to act to repel said invaders using any means necessary under the Constitution.

Posse Comitatus was passed to end the use of military troops to supervise elections which are run by the states even in the case of federal candidates.  In the post-Civil War South it was common for troops to be deployed for exactly this purpose and this was seen as an encroachment upon legitimate state interests in operating their own election infrastructure. Posse Comitatus was passed to stop that by codifying that except where explicit Constitutional duties or upon direct act of the Federal Legislature the use of the military inside the United States for "police powers" -- that is, general peacekeeping and enforcement of the law -- was prohibited.

The act explicitly excludes any direct Constitutional responsibility from its coverage and repelling an invasion is a direct and stated Constitutional requirement that rests upon the Federal Government.  Those who claim that the act prohibits the military from repelling an invading horde intent upon crashing our border are not only incorrect they are intentionally lying as the text of the statute itself makes clear that any direct Constitutional command may be enforced by the military irrespective of whether that activity takes place inside or beyond the borders of the United States.

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Wonder what has been going on behind the scenes. A lot of "red" interests demand cheap labor.

Also I know some "blue" judges are threatening to prosecute military officers if they deploy on the border.
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A physical barrier is only as good as the. Machine gun covering it

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin

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Many people are concerned about the current population and projected population of Sub-Saharan Africa but if you look at the population of Central America, South America and the Caribbean, this total comes to an astounding 655 million. This from just south of us.

Can you imagine a yearly caravan of millions? Good bye America as we know.
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I've said this from the beginning: Trump is not a house cleaner. In other words don't expect Trump is "lock her up" or lock anybody up, including illegals who just want to cross the US border and collect welfare. Not going to happen.

Speaking of house cleaning: Trump doesn't care if the House of Representatives flips back to the Dirty Dems. Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters in charge gives Trump a way to shift blame on anything that goes wrong --- including the economy. The Caravan also gives Trump the issue he like to work best...

Off Topic: Bill Still has just posted a video on YouTube wherein he claims to have had a Holy vision. I'm not kidding.

Why do I think mentioning this is important? Because when normally rational men start having intense emotional episodes like what Bill described ( and it starts becoming widespread like mass hysteria) it can be an indication that the ignorant masses are emotionally ready for a civil war... It'll be interesting to see just how emotionally worked up people get my 2020 when Trump is up for reelection.
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Ehh.... **** that **** and no I'm not posting the link.

Winding it down.
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The liberal mind is an amazing thing. In there mind an invasion has to be armed men in uniform with tanks and air support. A plain old mob is something they pretend not to understand. If you look at the laws in left leaning states, or even worse in Europe, you have no right to protect property. go off to the market and come back to find somebody has moved in and the law has little sympathy for you. They have never been poor enough to understand that without property rights you have no right to your life itself.
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"Ehh.... **** that **** and no I'm not posting the link".

I actually think the video is pretty amazing, but not because I believe Bill actually had a revelation from Almighty God. I don't think Bill is lying. I believe he did see a vision, but it was created within his own mind. And this is interesting, because it comes from an otherwise rational man who has been making videos for decades absent anything like this...

Karl, please let us know if you see Archangel Michael, too. And please say hi to Him for me...

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So glad I decided to retire a few years ago in my 40s. There is no point in working hard and building a large nest egg when the actions of the government today stack the deck against your savings in the future. You are simply giving away your youth, 40+ hours per week, to a system that won't let you enjoy your hard work later in life.

@Click: Bill Still had a holy vision? He's gone Tropic Thunder...
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It is no secret that I advocate for "Anchor Babies" in part because hey find themselves in a mess that was not only created by their parents, but facilitated by our government. I personally have a difficult time punishing anyone for crimes they did not commit. Therefore I have sympathy. However the other day Karl laid out his idea that could handle the impasse of anchor babies. that does hold them accountable, but doesn't punish them for their parents crimes.

I am also one who believes although it is technically theft, it is sometime necessary to allow people to sample your wares even when you know they have no intention of buying. Meaning, some illegal immigration - Without government social programs i.e. welfare or anchor baby status. The person breaking into our country is aware of the risks and knows he or she needs to work for their own survival or die.

However what started of 50+ years ago as possibly "good intention" has turned into the wholesale theft of ours and our children's birth right. It is the theft of our culture and values and is culminating in an invasion force. Yes, I literal invasion force of multi-national people stating "THEY WILL COME IN"

This has caused me more than a little angst, this is not someone stopping by your vineyard and snatching a clump of grapes and driving off. This is a group of people walking up and harvesting the grapes from YOUR land, grapes, you planted, you toiled over, weeded, watered and tended to. These people are not satisfied with stealing your labor and land, they will break into your storage shed, steal your supplies, go into your house, steal your cars,******your wife and children and for good measure just might burn everything out while they advance on the next house.

Can't call the sheriff.

This is where my angst comes in. And I have put considerable thought into driving myself down to the boarder to defend my life, my children's livelihoods and my country from an invasion force that does intend to do us harm. And I would be willing to do it even if I had to stand all by myself.

This is where my angst comes in. I would NEVER make it to the boarder. I would be arrested, I would be tried in the media. SJWers would twist my intent and label me a White Supremacist. I may be locked up to never see the light of day again, or may be killed outright.

This is where my angst comes in. What good would my effort make? The invasion force would still come in and will be followed by the next, which will be followed by the next, which.....My children's future will still be stole from them, and the general public would still be oblivious and blind as they ever were.

I have not given up. But from my perspective we have already gone past the tipping point and done so without the sheriff (Trump, good...Haha Republicans and good....Haha Democrats) to uphold law and order
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How about organizing a caravan of homeless and poor US citizens and delivering them to these Sanctuary cities? Especially with winter on the way. I'm sure Pelosi and friends will welcome them with wide-open arms.

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I leave the USA for four freaking days and the place is under invasion. aarrgghh. I should have listened to Bill Still -lol.


Sometimes when all else fails the plan of last resort is to salt the earth. The invaders may still advance but you do everything you can to choke the literal life out of an invasion force to weaken it.

Instead of doing that these *******s want to hand out tents and lollilops to the damn invaders. I am not so dumb as a to let a sense of mercy blind me to what is occurring here.

This is a war and there will be casulties. We didn't start this war but people must decide who is going to die - them or us. I don't want women/children killed either but the INVADERS decided to make that decision - not us.

Where's Vlad the Impaler when you need him. Now that would send the appropriate message at the border starting with personnel from CNN and the DNC.

Trump deserves to have his ass impeached and he''s about to give the dems the REAL fuel to do so if he fails to put down this invasion. Some will say they won't do it because Trump went along. These people are IRRATIONAL and eat their own!

A rogue general would be hero right about now in stopping this **** and showing the USA the POS Chump actually is.

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How about organizing a caravan of homeless and poor US citizens and delivering them to these Sanctuary cities? Especially with winter on the way. I'm sure Pelosi and friends will welcome them with wide-open arms.

MnPatriot This has been Already done Seen all those stories outta, San Fan, Cali , Portland, etc etc?
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