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2018-09-26 07:29 by Karl Denninger
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An Impending Shooting Civil War
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It is my contention that we are just one bad event away from a shooting civil war in America -- and in fact if you ask Steve Scalise it may have already started.

The political process is often fraught with severe language, money and hard-fought contests.  But in the end there are winners and losers; a person who loses by one vote still lost, while the person who wins by one vote still gets the office.  The margin is immaterial and, in the context of a Presidential Election, the popular vote doesn't matter; it is the electoral vote that counts and thus all candidates tailor their particular political process toward that outcome.

Twice now in recent history the left has refused to accept the outcome of that process.  The first was Bush .v. Gore, which went to the US Supreme Court.  Said court wisely refused to intervene in what was a political process, leaving said process intact, and Bush was seated as President.  In doing so the issue of refusal to accept the outcome of an election was left for another day, and, for the most part, the left bided their time and then came back with a winner in 2008 in the form of Barack Obama.

But this time no such thing happened.  Hillary Clinton lost.  She didn't lose by much, but by the rules of the contest she lost.  Unfortunately the left not only refused to accept the outcome at the time two years later it still refuses to accept the outcome.

Let me be clear on this -- if you're bitter that there was no President Pantsuit that's fine.  Losses can be bitter, especially when you really think you should have won.  But no matter what you think by the rules of the contest Hillary lost to Trump -- period.

But if you go beyond being bitter, start up hashtags like "#Resist" and then put that into action both inside and outside the government to disregard and disrupt the results of a valid electoral process you are not only violating the law you are inciting a shooting civil war.

This sort of activity by people inside the government is treading right to if not over the line of insurrection.  The use of government force for unlawful purpose, intentionally, meets the definition; it is an attempt to overthrow the law of the United States by corrupting the monopoly on deadly force that the government has and directing it unlawfully against certain people for political purposes.  This is not a "petty offense"; it is a direct assault on and attempt to overthrow the result of a lawful elective process and according to the above link it's still going on today.

If you're aggrieved by an election's results you have every right to print up a sign and go picket on a public street or other public place.  You can take out all the political advertisements you wish and make your best effort to get a different result the next time around.  But you do not have the right to enter into a restaurant where someone is eating dinner, which is private property, and assault said person because they happen to be a member of that political party.  That is a violation of the law in that it constitutes assault and is begging for an immediate outbreak of violence in response.

If your bitterness with the outcome of an election incites you to libel people and attempt to destroy institutions because you didn't get the result you wanted in the last political contest, such as is going on right now with Brett Kavanaugh, you are also inciting a shooting war.  And let's be clear; while there were plenty of people on the right who didn't like Kagan or Sotomayer, and still don't (I'm among them) my issues with them, along with others on the right, begin and end with their refusal to adhere to the boundaries of the written Constitution.  That I didn't like the way they might rule on this issue or that for this reason did not give me license to accuse either or both of them of felony sexual assault for political purposes and to sandbag alleged misdemeanor claims for the nakedly-explicit purpose of trying to delay a vote until after the next election takes place rather than to address an actual grievance.

It's amusing to watch the daily smarmy-talking-heads on Tout-TV (otherwise known as CNBS around this blog and here's looking at you, Cramer) shouting with joy as the markets make new highs on the bubble-infused schemes fueled by trillion dollar deficits that are returning less GDP expansion than the monetary expansion as a percentage of the economy.  That is, said alleged "expansion" is factually false; the economy in real terms is contracting!  This is basic math; if you expand the money supply by 5% ($1 trillion on a $20 trillion economy) and GDP expands by 3% then the actual result is a 2% contraction in economic output measured in the production of goods and services.  Put in household terms that you can run up your credit card by an additional $2,000 when you have $40,000 of income does not make you $2,000 richer; you are in fact $2,000 poorer for doing so, plus the cost of interest!  Never mind that if the current political situation continues the S&P 500 won't matter since it won't be trading anymore and all of those SJW-infused companies that make up the majority of its market cap will be laying in literal ashes.  "What is Zero, Alex?"

There are those who think there could be some sort of "peace" in this regard but they're cracked in the head.  We have a schism now, more-or-less, among the states -- there are those areas that are deep "red" and those that are deep "blue."  While the "Reds" mostly leave the "Blues" alone the converse is not true.  Witness the PA AG who has sought and gained national injunctions issued all the way across the country in Washington State!  He's not content to remain inside Pennsylvania and deal with whatever admixture of political process exists there -- no, he wants to exert what he sees as "his power" all the way across the country, everywhere, even though by law he lacks any jurisdictional ability to do so.  He makes a direct point of bragging about this all over Twitter too -- daily.  Indeed his positions are only thinly disguised as part of a formal "#resist" movement.

If you have a train on a track and there is a switch up ahead set to go off a bridge that is out, and the cab of the locomotive has the control for said switch in it, then you have an obvious choice to make and only one correct choice. 

Now put two people in that cab who get into a fight; one insists he will only agree to go down the safe track if the other guy is dead or permanently rendered subservient, the other says "over my dead body" since he's unwilling to die or live as a slave -- but he obviously doesn't want to go off the bridge either.

One of the two antagonists in the cab has to kill the other, or one has to jump.  If they simply tussle in the cab both die and the train wrecks killing everyone in the cars behind the locomotive.  It's a similar situation if you and the copilot decide to fight in an airplane that is flying; one of you is dying, one of you is jumping (hopefully with a parachute) or you are both going to die and the plane, along with everyone in it, will be destroyed.

When political animus spills over into action in the real world such as repeated criminal assault, as has been happening now with regularity and is being increasingly documented in video form and in their own voices by the political left there is a major problem.  When that sort of activity is intentionally amplified and permitted by major corporate firms such as Facebook and Twitter while suppressing any sort of pushback whatsoever you now add an attempt to con the public into believing this is some sort of "organic" series of events -- when nothing of the sort is the case.  When Chuck Schumer states on CSPAN that "There is no presumption of innocence" then the Rule of Law and due process are both dead and he is inviting, provoking and in fact inciting civil war.  The conduct alleged is criminal; whenever one makes such an allegation due process rights attach.  If one cannot find recourse in due process before the law then the only remaining recourse is to the law of the jungle.  There are also those (Hirono) who have gone even further and stated that Kavanaugh is presumed guilty because she does not like his written judicial opinions.  This is exactly identical to the Salem witch trials where one was presumed a witch because they had a black cat and were unmarriedwhich certain people found "distasteful."

The media, specifically but not exclusively CNN, is even worse -- they are intentionally lying and when the civil war they are inciting comes they are and should be first on the list of parties held responsible for the outcome.  As just one example in the context of Ramirez they have intentionally lied about the fact that her attorneys have ignored and deflected seven separate attempts to obtain some sort of formal statement of facts and allegations made under penalty of perjury;instead her attorneys continue to insist on a trial in the media where there is no penalty for outright lies.  Why is this?  Might it be related to her being a board member of a far-left organization that has required, non-negotiable positions that constitute a flat-out demand to abrogate the First Amendment?

Throughout time and the history of nations there have been multiple political groups that have refused anything other than complete acquiescence and acceptance of their alleged mandates.  Political Islam has been known for this for more than 1,000 years; it has rolled into nations, sometimes by force and sometimes by "migration"; in the latter case the "migrants" then multiply literally as part of their political design and, when they reach a material percentage of the whole they begin segregating society, creating "no-go" zones in which they enforce their own version of law by force and, if not challenged and driven out they eventually take over the entire civil legal authority of the country and replace it.  It is this series of actions that led to the first of the Crusades; they were not, as is commonly put forward, a bunch of Christians rising up and deciding to "kill all the non-believers."  In point of fact the First Crusade was initiated as a response to demands from Islamic invaders who had occupied the land now called "Israel", specifically Jerusalem, and forbid Christian pilgrimages.  (Yes, those wars, like so many others, degenerated rather quickly..... war has a way of doing that and no, this is not a blanket claim on the rest of them; there's a clean argument that many of the other Crusades were more about trade routes than anything else.)  Today we are seeing the beginning stages of the same thing in France and other parts of Europe, including the UK -- never mind Sweden.

Rome collapsed largely due to the same sort of nonsense within political groups.  Venezuela was recently a nation with one of the greatest concentrations of oil wealth in the world, it fell victim to the same sort of "one way politically and we'll kill anyone who disagrees" game and now the nation is basically bankrupt and disintegrating.  Argentina was recently thriving economy.  Today it's struggling to emerge from its own self-imposed Hell for the exact same reason.

There are plenty of those who say the right wishes to do away with abortion, and that this alleged intent to violate a woman's right to choose when and by whom to bear children justifies the sort of action we're seeing now both with Kavanaugh and others.  That's a damnable lie and those engaged in it are going to condemn 100 million Americans to death if they keep that crap up.  Even if Roe was overturned, which I have written on as being extraordinarily unlikely, that would only return the issue to the states.  There are plenty of "Blue" states in which abortion would remain legal and available even if Roe was gone tomorrow and there is nothing preventing anyone from traveling to same -- temporarily for the purpose of medical care or permanently to reside there.  The left knows this but they don't care; to them utterly nothing matters beyond demanding that every single city, state, town and person both behave and believe as they demand and if you don't consent they will do whatever they need to in order to force you to do so including initiating a shooting civil war inside the US.  Is it any wonder the left also wishes to disarm you?  If you're acting to incite a shooting war you most-certainly would desire to disarm those you intend to kill first!

These demands from the left are no different than that of radical, sharia-demanding Islamic nutjobs.  There is not one shred of material difference between the two positions when boiled down to their essence and both are equally-capable of destroying a nation from within.

There are many who, I'm sure, will say I'm over-reading this.  Nope.  You're wrong.  I have studied history for decades, from times long gone to far more-recent examples, and this is an unbroken pattern.

Nor am I calling for a "desired outcome."  Nobody in their right mind takes rocks made out of tens of kilograms of pure U-235 and smashes them together with their bare hands.  The outcome of doing that is a known fact and you have to be flat-out nuts to desire or effort toward that happening.

But that's where we're headed and it is not just the left that is responsible -- it is also those on the right and center including the current Republican Senate members who are tolerating and kowtowing to a strident group of nuts who refuse to respect the political process and accept its results.  Never mind those in the House and Senate who have continually refused to bring impeachment or expulsion proceedings immediately against any and all in their bodies that refute a right to due process, a basic foundation of our country's political and legal system.

This must stop now; there is no way to know what the triggering event will be that will lead to catastrophe but that there are a huge number of politicians (Kamala Harris and Maxine Waters anyone?) and others who egg on and tolerate those such as the so-called "Antifa" running around committing violence in the name of the their favorite political position because they lost at the ballot box in 2016 is fact.

The corner case that sets it off, whether all at once or slowly and then quickly accelerating like a nuclear chain reaction will eventually happen.  Indeed, we may already be too far down the road to stop it, but "stopping it" can never mean submission in the face of violent or illegal "resistance" when one loses a political contest.  Instead those who engage in such conduct whether inside government or not must be held fully to account under both civil and criminal law, without fear or favor and those who egg on such from within the halls of elected officials must all be expelled instantly.

Piece-by-piece we either claw back the Rule of Law into our society or we lose our entire social structure to a degenerate mob and merely walking down the street in a city means death from nothing more complicated than a nutjob tossing bricks from the roof, say much less all the gang-bangers with guns.

I hope you don't mind if as long as nutjobs continue to insist on smashing those piece of U-235 together I go find somewhere that might be beyond the blast and fallout radius.  Yeah, I know, I'll probably die anyway ("total war" has a way of laying waste everything) but it certainly beats sitting next to you while you egg on the fruit and nut brigade.

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Victor David Hansen agrees:

Are We on the Verge of Civil War?
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Bad losers create real problems. In the political arena, it is the Democrats and in the US Open it was Serena Williams. You have to play by the rules. You cannot twist it to suit the situation. Let me ask a question here. The Democrats are now talking about Popular vote. Just for a moment think that Trump had won the Popular vote and not the Electoral college votes. Do you think the Democrats would have said "Hey, you won the Popular vote, now you should become the President". It would not happen!

It is all smoke screen. As it is, people are (I definitely am) incensed enough by the "Privatizing Profits and Socializing Losses" meme that has been passed off as the right thing to do since 2008. Now you trying to overturn a verdict which was based on the rules prevailing at that point in time will probably be the last straw on the camel's back. IMO, it is high time too! I for one am appalled at the way the law has been twisted and law-abiding people have been screwed over the last decade. If civil war is the only way for rule of law to prevail, SO BE IT! That said, whether that will mean a better outcome is anybody's guess.
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"it certainly beats sitting next to you while you egg on the fruit and nut brigade."

There's plenty of empty seats here in Houston. And I have a bright red MAGA hat I can loan you (that hat really, really eggs them on). Sorry, but you'll have to supply your own pistola and ammo. We can even meet up with Alex Jones, over at the Alamo, and let history repeat.

All joking aside: you basically have two kinds of people: those who wish to be left alone to mind their own business and live their own lives; that's the best kind of people. And then there are those people(s) who want to tell others what they can and cannot do by government rule and/or mob force. The latter will ALWAYS start ****. You can run from them, but you can't hide from the worst kind of people. If you hide they only multiply until there's no place left to hide. Then they finally breed and tax your kind out of existence until they are the only ones left but for a small remnant. And then when all of the producers are dead they kill each other off and a Malthusian die-off happens; and the whole process repeats. History repeats, and it's repeating now.

Fortunately, in America it's a little different than anywhere else. For example, we have The Donald who is also in a position of kill or be killed. He's in a fight to the death, too. And whoever can't see that is blind. The worst kind of people are after the Donald. To me persoanlly, that means the enemy of my enemy is my friend. That also means at the very least I get to take some of the worst kind of people with me when the SHTF.... if you know what I mean.

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Like you said. I am honestly fine with everything burning to the ground. I am Catholic and to be honest I am perfectly fine with the institutional church getting burned to the ground. I think the remnant that would remain would be a better church. Same thing with the nation. Lets have a civil war and get it over with. For those that would survive we would be better for it. I think that the loud mouths would get dealt with first on both sides.

I think that the country right now is like a house of cards. It is being held together just barely by our historic principals and the fact that everything is working as a system. A civil war would take out a couple of key cards in the house and then everything else will fall. Hollywood and the corrupt politicians think they will have the upper hand but it will be hard to enjoy life when everything that you like is burnt to the ground and everyone wants to kill you. Sure you will be rich but you can't eat money.

I am currently in Houston and just moved here after 20 years in the USMC. This place has changed a lot and not necessarily for the better. I am starting to withdraw from society. Mostly digitally for now but I plan on getting a smaller plot of land in a less populated part of the country. I am looking forward to divorcing myself and family from this country.
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Anyone who has researched history extensively would find this post very well written...nothing "nutjob" about it!

Please God, take it all away...we don't deserve what we have!
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I'm feeling better each day about my decision to move ~40 to 50 miles away from the nearest major population center. I wasn't even in "the hood" of the inner city but in lilly white suburbia. Most differences of people in both the inner city and suburbs are really a matter of degree. Most soccer moms have a sense of entitlement that would make the stereotypical inner city welfare queen blush. **** them. All of them.

Anyone want to start a civil war version of fantasy football? Maybe take bets on what the tipping point will be. We've got the base ingredients in place...two (or more) political factions that don't even want to talk to the other anymore and one side the just ****ing refuses to leave the other side alone. My money is on the outside chance that team cuck doesn't lose either the house or senate and possibly adds to their now slim majority. I can't discount the chance of the left's well publicized goon tactics scaring the normies into voting red. I would have to schedule the following 2 or 3 days just to watch videos of snowflakes and assorted circus freaks losing their **** again.

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Be very careful with what you wish for. Civil war is hellish and if you don't believe me you can visit places like Somalia or Southern Sudan, Afghanistan, etc. Granted those places aren't the USA but our own history tells us that when countryman fights countryman there is no mercy.

Back in 2008 I wanted the crash to come and reset our banking industry. We got a crash but no reset and on the other side of that event I think we can all agree things are not better.

With our simmering civil discourse I have no doubts if things get bloody what comes out on the other side will not be better. To the conqueror go the spoils, that surely will not change. I've got no idea how to defuse things, but I surely am not wishing for conflict and definitely am not actively inciting it.
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Eaandkw said:

"I am currently in Houston and just moved here after 20 years in the USMC. This place has changed a lot and not necessarily for the better. I am starting to withdraw from society. Mostly digitally for now but I plan on getting a smaller plot of land in a less populated part of the country. I am looking forward to divorcing myself and family from this country."

"Changed a lot", indeed. Habla Espanol?

Yesterday, I was walking down in the Houston Underground (six miles of Cold War nuclear bunkers turned into a modern shopping mall) and I was out numbered down there 10 to 1 by Indians, not American Indians. The Diversity Collective is what Houston has become --- "and not for the better".

So, you think you're going to get a "divorce"? Well, I won't try and dissuade you. It's probably a good idea.

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The Secret Ballot voting process can delay hostility a little bit.

People that might not ever pull a trigger will vote, if they can remain anonymous.

Realistically though, Anonymity is already gone.
Data mining allows for directed propaganda to target people based on either immutable characteristics or whatever behaviour patterns are discovered or you reveal about yourself.

You will be classified whether you want to be or not.

That is why the Left seems so obsessed with virtue signaling.

Until everyone is forced to wear a uniform like during the Chinese Cultural Revolution, they are afraid of being misidentified as being on the wrong team.

I think they know it is going to get violent.
I know some want it to go there.

IFF is going to be through the Virtue Signals.

It won't be enough once the pogroms begin.

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Perhaps my intuition is at work more than I know when I feel the need to finely tune my wilderness skills. It may come a time to seek the protection of ...grizzly bears.

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You do not need to outrun the bear.

You need only outrun the person chasing you...... smiley

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>>You do not need to outrun the bear.

You need only outrun the person chasing you...... smiley>>

My business partner knows that all too well. His hiking buddy outran him...he's lucky to be alive. He has the scars on his hands, head and ass to prove it.

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Civil war is inevitable when one side refuses to accept defeat under an established order and works to impose its values on everyone. As long as one party continues to capitulate in a culture war the aggressor party will continue to push its agenda onto people who will not resist. It appears that we have reached the point where a shooting war could start. I would hope that the people who want to live and let live will be militarily victorious. Such a victory cannot last when our universities, media, communication system, and government are infested with Marxists.
Only when the Marxists, social justice warriors, open border advocates and diversity advocates are absent can our peace be secure. A few years of deporting the aforementioned types to such progressive locales as Somalia, South Africa, El Salvador, and Myanmar would go a long way toward domestic tranquility. Let's not forget our illegal alien population; they and their employers should be deported. Recidivists should be hanged at the local courthouse or Walmart parking lot, whichever is the handier.
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It's inevitable unless we reinstitute the practice of committing the insane to mental hospitals.

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I know exactly what you mean about the indians. The older I get the more I appreciate the comedian George Carlin. When I mean divorce I mean that I don't really care what happens to society as a whole. I fully expect society to be the worst version of itself. Nothing will really surprise me anymore. I don't watch t.v., don't listen to radio, don't watch movies, working on eliminating all social media. Heck, I don't even want to have an email any more. And I am probably going to switch to a dumb phone in the future.

Really, it is just time to go hiking or camping and living in the physical world.
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The political history of the left is a jackboot on the human face: murder, mass murder, genocide... these people want you dead, and they will use the power of .gov to marginalize you at best, destroy you at worst.

If the left wins all branches of .gov, they will never allow elections in a manner they might lose. They will take away our guns. They will weaponize the government to destroy democrat enemies. A wave of fascistic political violence will sweep this land. So I wonder if we should just say '**** it', keep control, and put those cities and states which are in a state of insurrection under military control. As for the copperheads, relocate them to Mexico.

I, John Brown, am now quite certain,that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with blood.
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Thanks for writing this. Had I not been overcome with other events, I was going to post something similar in The Bar.

How does it start? Nobody knows, but given the misappropriation of power to the USSC, and wholesale cultural revolution that has been imposed through the USSC over the past 60 years, this is likely the flashpoint. Kavanaugh is the primer, and the main charge will be when Trump replaces Ruth Bader Gonseburg. The Left is going to come completely unglued, since they know that they will be closed off to cultural imposition through the courts for the lifetimes of everyone in the "back 9" of life.

They will be all-in on the Brown Wave voting them into power, to which DJT is a direct threat.

I've tried but failed to recall a single secular-progressive political movement of any note that has accepted defeat at the ballot box and supported the electoral results. Our Sec-Progs are on the cusp of realizing such a defeat.

That's why I think we are close. From the Left's point of view, it's either accept defeat at the hands of people they truly believe are subhuman, or start shooting the subhumans.

The Right looks at history of sec-prog genocide and economic ruin (see the original post in this thread by Karl), and how the Left wants their guns, and they are genuinely scared. I've posted at least 100 times on TF a video of how the FBI infiltrated the Weather Underground back in the 70s and how the principals in that organization were discussing the wholesale liquidation of 1/8 of the US population, which at the time was 25 million, because they wouldn't go along with "the new way of thinking." This would include Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn.

The civil war has been talked about quite a bit. Some foolishly believe it will follow the template of the previous two, which was largely geographically based, because both side fundamentally had the same culture. This won't happen.

I live in a so-called "deep blue" state. Does anyone think that if the balloon goes up, I'm going to run out with my AR-15 and join the "Washington State Progressive Stormtrooper Brigade" just because I live here?

No, what is going to happen is much more complex and simple at the same time.

I am a conservative, White, male, Christian that is a veteran. My neighbor is a dope-smoking, atheist, Communist, attorney. He knows I am armed and knows my cultural preference. I know he is likely armed.

If the shooting starts in St Louis, Chicago, Portland, and Metro Seattle, it will spread. If it is open season on conservatives, those getting shot are going to get nervous and itchy very quickly.

How do I mow my lawn, given that my neighbor may shoot me dead? How does he smoke his dope in his back yard, given that he has the same fear from his gun collecting, kook-fringe, fascist, racist, neighbor that is just aching to force his dusty religion upon him?

How do I fly airplanes, given that I can't leave the house? How does he take the ferry to Seattle to practice law? How does the Sheriff deputy leave his house, given that his two daughters would be in danger from his Democrat-Socialist neighbor? Who drives the food trucks? Who operates the local power plant? Who delivers the gasoline?


Society grinds to a halt, and there are too many guns and too much hatred (cultural) to impose any kind of order through martial law. The US is too big. Once the shooting gets underway, it is here for good. It will be neighbor on neighbor until ghettos are cleared out and warlords rise.

It's not like everyone will be walking around with red and blue hats, to make the IFF easy. Every encounter will be "good Black or bad Black?" "Good White or bad White?" "Good Mexican or bad Mexican?" "Good college prof or bad college prof?" "F150. good, Prius bad, or vice-versa."

Get it wrong, and you are dead, unless you shoot first."

Oh, ****.....

The money supply will become glacial. Nobody will have money, since the banking system will undoubtedly collapse, since nobody is working. That will put gasoline on a raging fire of hatred.

The grand experiment in civic nationalism will be, yet again, a failure. Tribal loyalties will come to the fore, for no other reason than survival.

I served in Bosnia during the 1990s. It was a ****-show like nothing we have seen (in Europe) since WW2. I remember flying over Sarajevo ten years after the Olympics were held there, and the Olympic village was a mass-cemetery. Africa had similar (Rwanda), and it was deeply personal. It still had ethnic and geographical considerations, whereas we do not.

Forget "red state vs blue state" or "red county vs blue county" or even "rural vs urban." The war will be on your street, and most will bunker down in their homes until the food and water run out. After that, I can't model what will happen.

Unfortunately, I don't see how a peace can be achieved. It was easy with Japan, when 1/3 of the US wanted Japan destroyed down to the last man. Japan and the US are 8000 miles apart. Your neighbor is 100 feet away, and the contempt born of familiarity will be impossible to extinguish.

It's uglier than anyone can imagine.

"My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism." - Karl Marx
"Destroy the family, you destroy the country." - Lenin
"Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed." - Stalin
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Excellent hypothesis as to how this goes down. If the shooting starts(civil war) we are talking about the U.S being different than we have ever known. It won't be over quickly and we go right back to the way things were. Not at all. In fact, I think it is more likely that things will be worse than either side can stomach, but by then there will be no going back.
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I don't think so. The more lawlessly the Democrats behave, their claim of being the good guys, of being tolerant, inclusive, much less sane or moral just completely evaporates. Nobody believes these people run for office for the good of the citizenry or for the betterment of this nation at this point. There is literally no group they have not betrayed. Normal Democrats got burned when Sanders had the nomination stolen, Blacks had 8 years of Obama who did nothing for them, and he wasn't even from their ancestry or history, all american citizens: Black, Hispanic, White, see the the Democrats favoring illegals over citizens, and them favoring a tiny part of the micro population of LGBTQ over the rest of society.
I very much doubt Clinton won the popular vote,legitimately. I live in a painfully blue state, NJ. People here voted for Trump who I never thought would. A Hispanic coworker, from Puerto Rico, would go way out of her way to identify and get deported any illegal on her probation caseload, which was not either a goal or objective of management. That was her objective. That's how things are on the ground here.
If voter ID laws get enacted and enforced the Democratic Party will never win another national election. The Democratic party will implode before a civil war happens.
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It is not that "one side" will not leave the other alone...

It is that "one side" wants to kill you, and then turn your wife, children and grandchildren into amoral degenerates and slaves.

They hate the idea of sacrifice, they hate the idea of "common good", they hate family, they hate self control and continence.

They are pathetic, amoral reprobates, and for 70-100 years they have been allowed to flourish. Ultimately they hate Christ and His mother.

The first thing the Soviets did in 1920 is start to abolish marriage and the family.

Society cannot flourish without strong families.

I'm sorry, we deserve what is coming.

"Conservatives" for the past 100 years didn't "conserve" a **cking thing.

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To borrow Dan Carlins phrase, I am a fan of history. A big fan, and have been since the tender age of 9 when one winter on the frozen plains of Nebraska I did what all teachers say and few mean, I asked Why did THAT happen? Most teachers talk about encouraging individual research, few support it. I was blessed to have one that did and allowed me access to some materials far beyond what a normal kid should have (looking back that was very odd).

Over the years, I have become a bit of student of civil conflict. The ebbs and flows of history have always fascinated me, and trying to understand why, say the French Revolution happened when it did or why the Civil War boiled over when it did capture my interest. Somewhere along the way, I stopped reading the polite commentaries and ventured into the source material. The picture changed.

All time periods have their ideology. Their orthodoxy and heresy. Their base assumptions and their base hatreds. When a nation or empire has most of its people willing to believe the same lies, it can muddle along. When the people start believing differently than the elites, trouble happens.

The long march of Gramsci captured the costal elites. The goal of turning the nation into some sort of neo feudalism is well on its way. But there is a snag. There are a lot of the non elites, and a good portion of the second tier upper class, with authority problems. Partially because of the same long march, and partially because a great many Americans came to escape their betters. As a good friend of mine said Remember, we come from people kicked out of what is now Germany BEFORE the Nazis came.

We have moved passed polite conversation. Passed angry words. The progressives have taken to shooting senators, and the old guard has held off. At some point though, the game will be played by all sides. In many small and large ways, it is already being played. There are groups fighting in the street today, but the media is trying like mad to silence them.

I have looked at places to live. Spent some time investigating places to go to. My issue ended up being Once the American Empire falls, can I safely fade into the population with my family? After much consideration, I realized that if I am going to end up burned, I will fight for the land of my people. Notice I did not say the USA. I put my family where I can best provide for them when the coming unpleasantness starts, and I pray it does not.

As a fan of history, I have no desire to live through interesting times. At the same time, I come from those who have often found themselves on the wrong side of history and said Here I stand! So help me God! Foolish? Perhaps. But I am at the point where there is no place to run, and little point in hiding.
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Being in the self defense business, I watch the stress on society every day. I read what I can and watch the circus in DC unravel. The left is completely out of control and watching fools like Schumer try to blame the GOP for politicalizing Ford is typical of their party. Commit the crime and then blame it on the victim. They love Victimhood and use it almost as much a RACISM. They do everything in their power to divide and when a person is attacked and responds in kind, the attacker is labelled the Victim.
As a conservative, I am one not to tolerate being pushed around. I have been accumulating ammo and other toys for the past year after watching the left completely lose it. I feel like I have been watching a bad movie with the top people in the FBI going after a sitting President like he was some third world criminal. Their phony evidence is exposed over six months ago and they still are attacking. I surely thought that once exposed, it would go away and it didn't making Karl's assumptions more real then ever.

The Kavanaugh issue is even more insane. This guy is a boy scout and they are making him look like Jack the Ripper. I thought after the Trump scam was revealed that any more crying WOLF wouldn't be tolerated. But wrong again because the left is literally unhinged in every way.

After watching the new attacks on Kavanaugh, I did inventory and decided to load up on bullet proof vests. These aren't easy to get in bulk, so I figured my conservative friends would have a need. If he is confirmed, then the left will get even angrier and continue attacking conservatives. If he isn't confirmed, then the left will feel empowered and probably become more violent. I watch some of the left on the blogs and FB and can't believe the absolute ignorance everywhere. These people think that they are entitled to attack innocent people just because of their political beliefs. I look at the Infowars issue with Paypal. Just think if the banks shut down credit card access to any business that they deem conservative. We don't sell firearms, but have seen our search engine issues increase in the past few months. I truly believe that the cockroaches in California are manipulating the net against everything conservative.

How far can they push us before the Sh** hits the fan? I have this discussion with fell conservatives and they are all in disbelief at what we are seeing from the left. I am glad that I live away from the crowded city, but not far enough if things blow. The left continues do seed hate and anger out of literally nothing. They had 8 years of Obama dividing the country and the cockroach won't go away. He goes on rally's making fun of our President and continuing to seed division. The left seems to be pushing for that revolution that they can't win. I think that they think they can take control of the government meaning the military and law enforcement to do their bidding. Me thinks that they are very wrong here. No one despises them more then these two groups.

I am just hoping Kavanaugh gets confirmed and we can deal with the other crap later. I know that the left is planning a major offensive at the ballot box including massive amounts of fraud and abuse. Anyone that believes that physically harming someone based on political views, has no problem manipulating an election. We will need Kavanaugh on the bench if this happens.
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that has to be the hiking partner from hell!

of course the second best would be my boyfriend yelling towards a local before we entered the wilderness in Wyoming "hey btw are there any bears?" yes we were that well prepared...and then he proceeded to tell me Karl's joke above . That was my first hike as a city girl, a whole week of fun number 2 (Andrew Skurka) the kind that is not fun at the time but fun to talk about later. We did not meet a single human for a week or a single bear, but then again we did not have any food either...

with friends like this, capitalism needs no enemies
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2008 should have been the tipping point. Instead it was artificially propped up, and it is only going to be worse when the band aid won't stick, it is not only probable but inevitable that something will collapse from the house of cards. It is not sustainable.
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