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2018-08-09 08:15 by Karl Denninger
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The Lament of The Farmer (Go Fornicate Yourself)
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This article pisses me off.

Let me tell you a riddle. “I slept with a billionaire because he said he loved me. I expected to make love, but in the morning I realized I was getting screwed. When I went to tell the world, I was offered cash to keep my mouth shut.” Who am I? No, I’m not a model or someone named Stormy. I’m the American farmer.

In the mid-1980s we were awash with over production in the corn and soybean sectors. Agriculture got busy, boarded planes, trains and automobiles and started building markets around the world, one handshake and one relationship at a time. We used our own funds through our check off dollars and trade associations to build markets in Mexico, Canada, Latin America and the Pacific Rim. And we didn’t stop there. In partnership with the U.S. taxpayers, we built an ethanol industry to ensure another renewable energy source for U.S. consumers.

Your "industry" built an open, outrageous and notorious FRAUD with Ethanol for fuel. You also managed to get the EPA to shut up about the damage too; they failed to file REQUIRED reports on the ecological impact of same that was written into the RFG law and regs. Well, now it's out, it's FOUR YEARS late, and not only does Ethanol production lead to ridiculous amounts of fertilizer run-off and environmental destruction (which would happen with any crop grown that intensively, so perhaps you could be excused there) in addition it increases NOx when burnt in modern engines.

The latter means it creates more smog-forming ozone, not less. Ethanol was a decent idea back when MTBE was discovered to be a massive groundwater problem and engines in cars had carburetors and first-generation, non-closed-loop TBI injection. You can count those engines on the road today in the low single digits; outside of antiques they're all gone.

Finally, if that's not enough, it has far fewer BTUs that gasoline so it also damages fuel economy. While the percentage of damage is small (about 2%) extrapolated across all the fuel consumed that's billions of dollars and millions of tons of additional CO2 emitted into the atmosphere. I happen to not think much of so-called "global warming science" (having more than a bit of knowledge in physics and chemistry) but the economic impact of intentionally damaging fuel economy, never mind the NOx problem which is very real, is another matter entirely.

RFG should be banned and those who promoted it imprisoned for the billions you steal every single year from the pocketbooks of American motorists. Last time I checked grand theft was a felony.

Oh, and as for tariffs, well, when the Chinese stop stealing intellectual property and imposing differential tariffs and trade conditions you then have a point. They have continually promised to stop and yet not only does it not stop it accelerates continually.

You exploited this to sell to a slave-labor communist nation that was screwing us blind. We were told Mexico's $4/hour manufacturing wages (when NAFTA was passed, remember that?) would rapidly rise to near parity with the US. That didn't happen either; today the wage is.... about $4/hour. Not one person in that plant making cars or trucks for $4/hour can afford the $40,000 vehicle being made there. We got rooked, millions of Americans lost their jobs and industry disappeared. Meanwhile you "expanded your market" and demanded illegal invaders to come work your fields so you didn't have to pay employment taxes and a living wage. That's all a crime too, but nobody cared so long as you sold soybeans to Mexico and China. Every single one of you folks who has ever employed an illegal invader should be rotting in a federal prison cell. You screwed an American out of a job and millions of Americans out of a living wage and middle-class lifestyle.

Period.

I spent 30 years administering federal farm programs with the USDA. I’ve administered and supported disaster programming, conservation programming, and price and supply stabilization. I believed in those supports because I believe a strong agriculture is directly related to our national security. I’ve never administered hush money designed to make me sit down and shut up about a ridiculous protectionist trade policy that has destroyed in a matter of months what my industry built with our own hands over decades.

The president calls ‘em like he sees them, and so do I. I won’t be silent any longer.

You didn't build ****, except for robbing people blind.  Rather than allow the supply and demand side of things to do their magic, along with the fact that you can sell forward production in the futures market if you're concerned, instead you want "price and supply stabilization."

May I remind you what that is:  Wickard .v. Filburn, ****head.

Yes, you, ****head, the Supreme Court decision that on the very rubric you support and spent 30 years screwing the entire rest of the nation with has led to the Federal Government declaring that every thing that anyone does, anywhere, anytime, in any industry suddenly has "interstate commerce" implications and therefore is subject to federal regulation.

Even growing your own ******n corn for your own family to eat is subject to federal regulation -- that you support and spent 30 years screwing the entire nation with.

YOUR ASS IS GOING TO BURN IN HELL.

You had a good run and I hope you enjoyed ramming all of the rest of America up the backside. We, who have great respect for farmers, do not have respect for anyone who exploits others no matter their nationality or standing in this country or what they do.

That includes you.

I am no fan of Trump in the general sense but on trade he's right, even if he doesn't understand the how or why.  On ethanol, which he has sought to increase, he's dead wrong -- on the facts, on the law, and on the science -- none of which he, or you, give a damn about so long as you make money.  There are several words for that and they include "avarice", "greed" and perhaps even "Satanic."

The very exploits you complain about losing today are the reason we have a Federal Government out of control.  They are the reason half the nation, those on the left side of the curve, have seen all their jobs go to China and Mexico.  They are the reason we have an opioid epidemic that is killing people by the tens of thousands who cannot find living-wage jobs with their abilities and skillset.  They are the reason health care is a ****ing monopoly that costs five hundred percent what it should and would if the damn law was enforced.  They are the reason we have lost our 50 state political laboratories and it was all so you could poison our water and screw motorists out of billions of dollars, along with selling soybeans and corn to China and Mexico.

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Agricultural exports are inversely proportional to our balance of trade.

In large part the purchase of US agricultural products is made possible by our trade deficit with the countries and regions cited in the article. Every time a factory closes in the United States a farmer can sell more corn to China.
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a tremendous amount of our pork production is marketed to China. this also causes environmental degradation as the industry pushes the envelop in terms of productivity to support their market. additionally it raises the costs of food for Americans when the market for a large segment of home grown food products is abroad.

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I've never met a poor farmer, and I've met a lot of them. The one thing they all have in common is they will claim they're poor and somebody is always screwing them. Oh, and they all claim to be independent. Suuuure you are.

Ethanol needs to go as well as the sugar subsidies. If farmers want to compete globally that's fine by me, but you don't get to use my tax dollars to artificially support your crop of choice.
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Karl, NOT disagreeing with you on this, I'm right with you on it.

Just an FYI: the fuel economy change is a bit more than you express.

Adding 10% alcohol should cause a 4.7% loss in fuel mileage assuming the same energy output of alcohol (which is a false assumption) based on a 14.7 to 1 A/F ratio for gasoline, and 8.1 A/F ratio for alcohol.

My informal testing shows an approximately 5.5% loss in fuel economy in my vehicle.

But since, in the lab, a 10% alcohol mixture reduces emissions, we must use it, never mind the pesky mileage issue, right?

(another example of something looking good from someone's cubicle)

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It actually DOESN'T reduce emissions in modern engines. And there are other, pernicious effects -- such as requiring a higher EGR calibration to keep down NOx, which is really nasty since THAT hurts efficiency too -- whether you burn the ethanol-laced fuel or not.

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Everything stated by our host is true for the large corporate farms and our goverment. In the meantime the family dairy farms in the Northeast are dying because of over regulation, taxes and very low milk prices paid to the farmer. The price paid to the farmer is close to the 1980's price, but at the store it has gone up like everything else. Grain, fuel, seed and parts have gone up greatly. Every week or so I hear of another farm auction in Vermont and another family farm is gone forever. Someday we will regret the loss of this productive farm land locally.
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The price paid to the farmer is low because of the cartels -- and the incessant demands for more of it.

In many cases, BY THE FAMILY FARMER.

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Most consider "Fly over country" farm land i.e Farmers. Most people associate a farmer as a white male. SJW's consider white males as their enemy. SJW's are comprised of blacks, Mexicans, a vast array of other ethnic groups and whites looking to placate unfounded guilt.

SJW say we (America) screwed them over somehow and now we owe them. The article says " Who am I? No, Im not a model or someone named Stormy. Im the American farmer." And that America screwed them over.

So according to SJW doctrine, white farmers screwed over everyone who was not white, so we owe them. Yet we are also told by the referenced article that America has also taken the time to screw over white farmer....I am all confused this morning.

I never knew my dick was so big and so powerful to screw so many people all at the same time.
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I think most of these people have mastered what I had formerly considered impossible: They have figured out how to **** themselves.

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there is a little benefit to having somewhat older vehicles in great condition. after a period of time most states stop emission testing them and/or checking the OBD. it is possible to adjust/replace/remap/rechip the ECU which controls nasty things like excessive EGR to make up for the ethanol. the computer controls of the nineties and early 2000's make this particularly easy. a lot of car guys did not like computer control, some for good reason, however they allow precise control for the knowledgeable person with lots of good data input. just avoid cars that are so modern that they phone home or cannot be hacked regardless of their age. some people that i know have cars that will still require the OBD plugin test for another decade or more, but simply swap out ECU's after compliance testing. this requires that they know what they are doing, not for everyone. some even prefer older cars, eighties cars are particularly fun, such as Japanese models.

people often ask me what i am going to do when things like engines finally wear out. they lease and others trade in after five or so years. simple, rebuild the engine. it is good to be able to do things. learn quickly, the skills might be required soon.

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They are the reason half the nation, those on the left side of the curve, have seen all their jobs go to China and Mexico. They are the reason we have an opioid epidemic that is killing people by the tens of thousands who cannot find living-wage jobs with their abilities and skillset. They are the reason health care is a ****ing monopoly that costs five hundred percent what it should and would if the damn law was enforced. They are the reason we have lost our 50 state political laboratories and it was all so you could poison our water and screw motorists out of billions of dollars, along with selling soybeans and corn to China and Mexico.


This gets at an issue that really troubles me. It seems that so many intelligent(?) people on the right and left sides of the political aisle have lost all empathy for those on the left-side of the IQ curve. I really just DO NOT GET IT! Do the people at the top not realize what is happening at all? Have they become so focused on me, me, me, that they can't see the big picture?

Do they think that they are immune to what comes next?

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most do not realize that if you raise your fuel economy in a sane fashion while preserving the essence of the emission control system you can actually achieve lower levels of all pollutants over miles driven which is what actually matters. this is why some states discovered that raising the speed limits although engines burn a little more fuel under this scenario and might pollute more, the pollution over miles driven is lower. this is especially true with higher gearing common to all modern cars. the EPA testing is not all bad, however testing for pollutants as a percentage of exhaust does not always translate into the real world. in fact the mania with CO2 actually causes the increase of other pollutants as small engines and diesels tested at idle and lower dyno speeds do not show themselves to be major polluters they are at realistic road speeds and usage. this is all just splitting hairs as gasoline cars became essentially pollution free twenty years ago. we are going backwards. stationary and diesel sources are the problems in densely populated areas as well as with congestion. the CO2 scam is why the Europeans are up the ****ter with pollution as they chased carbon efficiency using diesel before its pollution controls for dense areas matured. stationary could be solved with nuclear and LFTR's but . . .

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Karl, you hit the nail on the head.

**** that subsidy-taking, .gov tit-sucking, lying piece of **** administrator.

Even farmers on the Delmarva Peninsula don't seem to get it. Most of them are good, salt of the earth folks. But when you get them in a group (cough, cough County Farm Bureaus) they want every ****ing subsidy they can get a hold of. A very good friend of mine quit attending meetings years ago, when he couldn't find anyone that did not think "farm subsidies are OK, but other subsidies are not". My friend argued that any government subsidy was wrong - even farm subsidies - and the other farmers would either look at him with a blank stare or argue with him.

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The paper that ran the article refused to approve my dressing down of this douchebag in the comment section.

Thua the Ticker. **** them too.

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Screw Christopher Gibbs. He's little more than a self-righteous government knob-gobbler. These people think they have a entitled right to rip off everyone else just because of their occupation. Actually not much difference between them and the crooks in healthcare. I could not get one paragraph into the article without having my blood boil.

My parents and grandparents worked as sharecroppers and farm laborers till the late-60s and my parents did similar jobs into their early 20s. These are the people that actually DID the work. Not someone trying to exploit a system.
But, but, but -these are jobs Americans will not do. These people can save the horse manure rhetoric for someone else. Farmers as Gibbs were looking for another source of cheaper labor for exploitation.

We have too many farmers getting subsidies and special registration for things like passenger trucks that are nothing but play toys for them to go hunting, fishing, and the like. These vehicle are seldom used on the farm for any real work yet they get special registration. The rip offs don't stop with crop subsidies and registrations. They also get special reduced or no tax fuel prices for that "farm" equipment in many states. Want to guess how they are fueling those toys too?

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but the economic impact of intentionally damaging fuel economy, never mind the NOx problem which is very real, is another matter entirely.


Yep those high fuel economy vehicles can't make the mileage proclaimed by the automakers with ethanol. Then to perpetuate the problem because one can't get the mileage, even more of this ethanol tainted fuel must be purchased which again multiplies the problem smog problem. Crap in - more crap out.

I can see up to a 20% loss in fuel economy with "10% ethanol" at times. The EPA and other mileage factors are complete lies since the ethanol blended fuel being sold to the public is likely NOT the optimum non-ethanol blended fuel being used in testing -more lies and obfusications. This makes mileage ratings complete lies for vehicles tested with non-adulterated fuels.

If signs were posted at pumps that said "You will experience a 20% loss in fuel economy, higher vehicle maintenance costs, and an increase in smog production using this fuel" maybe people would wake up. We put warning labels on cigarettes perhaps its time for the same with gasoline to protect both the environment and the consumers' pocketbooks.
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BTW are anti-knock additives as MTBE even needed anymore with things like knock sensors and SkyActive engines? Looks like systems could better control the air charge/fuel ratio through sensors so an oxygenate is not needed.

I know some of older vehicles needed leaded compounds as TEL to better lube up the valves/cyclinder walls and not serve only as an anti-knock agent before it was banned. Once catalytic converters were used the leaded fuel could not be introduced without causing damage.

Many older (antique) high performance engines (before catalytic converters) were damaged because of the drop in the octane rating and removal/reduction of the TEL additive in the 70s.

Keeping these cars running meant putting in hardened valves and seats and reducing the compression ratio if an octane booster/gas lube was not manually added to the tank. If compression was lowered a resulting loss in horsepower also occurred.

This is not the first time the motoring public was screwed by the EPA but now they are dealing in outright lies for political ideology for the claims made.



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I don't know a thing about the Sidney Daily News, but if they are anything like my local rag the newsroom and editors are raging leftists.

Newspapers, as a rule, deserve your rusty chainsaw treatment.

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BTW are anti-knock additives as MTBE even needed anymore with things like knock sensors and SkyActive engines? Looks like systems could better control the air charge/fuel ratio through sensors so an oxygenate is not needed.

Nope -- totally unnecessary and in fact harmful.

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Vernonb wrote..
I know some of older vehicles needed leaded compounds as TEL to better lube up the valves/cyclinder walls and not serve only as an anti-knock agent before it was banned. Once catalytic converters were used the leaded fuel could not be introduced without causing damage.

Many older (antique) high performance engines (before catalytic converters) were damaged because of the drop in the octane rating and removal/reduction of the TEL additive in the 70s.


some changes were necessary and good. tetraethyl lead was a crime against humanity and its damages persist to this day. we installed hardened valve seats in the family car in the mid seventies and it ran just fine on unleaded. the very high compression sixties and seventies muscle car BS had some problems, but they were useless for general motoring anyway. everyone who restores older cars installs the hardened valve seats and runs them on premium unleaded without issue. the stupid Europeans still continued producing lead additives for over two decades after we ceased. perhaps this explains their thinking.

MTBE was not primarily an anti-knock additive. it was a dangerous oxygen additive replaced eventually with ethanol. by their nature the oxygen additives do raise the anti-knock index, but there are other compounds that do the same without sacrificing fuel-economy or creating more NOx.

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TEL is bad news. Even the early warnings and signs were ignored when the product was introduced. Definitely better things out there now to replace this as an additive - not lamenting it.

Thomas Midgley was the guy that first discovered and introduced TEL working for GM and CFCs. Both of his inventions are now banned by the EPA.

The official story is that he contracted polio in his 40s but others have made claims that he poisoned his own CNS though careless handling of the TEL. He died from strangulation when he got caught up in a complex contraption he created to move about.

There was a movie made "Of Best intentions" about his inventions.


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TEL was introduced over a better anti-knock compound due to the vehicle manufacturers who owned the patent on it. the other compound patent was owned by some oil companies. not sure about Mr. Midgley, but other researchers working with the same compound were lead poisoned, documented. hilariously, they still promoted the product and continued to work on it. where i live is actually a key place where the atmospheric lead contamination was proven in the early 20th century as it poisoned the animals at our local zoo. were it not for the wars it might have been banned sooner. an intrepid scientist made it a life mission to expose the problems of the compound. it is found in our soils routinely to this day and families are cautioned to maintain grass yards well to protect their children.

sick world, special place in hell for the people who covered this up for so long.

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Yep...researchers wrote Midgley and other researchers at GM and told them just how toxic it really was. They were ignored. The Europeans thought it was insane.

GM manipulated public opinion with the "Ethyl" branding of their fuel in advertising and paid to not have TEL mentioned by name in studies they financed- so much for integrity in science.

Not till people started dying or going crazy in places like Dupont did the public find out enough to sway opinion and get dangers out in the open. Thank goodness for the press at that time. It still took decades to remove it entirely due to corrupt politics.

Why did GM do it?-profit and greed. They were beholden to no one for their patented additive. Alcohol blends- especially methyl- was already known as a anti-knock additive. Buying other people's products would cut into their profits.

There were companies as Amoco that sold fuel without this poison.




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